December 17, 2017, 10:34:56 PM

Author Topic: Another EOS 7D Mark III Wishlist Makes the Rounds, Along With Some Opinion [CR0]  (Read 9053 times)

kaptainkatsu

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(as I assume there is a new 1 DXIII coming for the World Cup in 2018) which will need more FPS to highlight it as a flagship camera.

More likely the 2020 Olympics
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haggie

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Although there (suddenly) is a lot of talk about video features for the 7D Mark III, I sincerely hope this does not drive up the price of the replacement for the 7D mark II.

No doubt there are users that would like to have better video in a crop body than available right now. I liked the video in the 70D and also like the video in my 80D. But it is not 4K.

From Canon’s perspective it might make sense to include 4K in the replacement for the 7D Mark II. The successor for the 7D Mark II will surely have a high data throughput to allow for higher fps. Therefore, much of the hardware “infrastructure” that is also required for 4K video will have to be present in this new camera.
This fact makes it interesting for Canon to incorporate 4K video, because it will be a feature that may be sold for a high returns for this new camera and yet have relatively low repetitive (extra) costs in manufacturing.

If Canon's Sales Department wants to target a new video audience with the 7D Mark III, they may be tempted to raise the price beyond what it would have been if the 7D Mark III did not have these advanced video features. They are in the business of making money.

I just hope that the price of the 7D Mark III will not substantially go up as a result of incorporating 4K video – or any advanced video features for that matter.
Like many others, I would like a capable crop camera for action photography, and am willing to pay for fast autofocus and better IQ (including better DR).
But not so much for video features that are not of interest for me.
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Although there (suddenly) is a lot of talk about video features for the 7D Mark III, I sincerely hope this does not drive up the price of the replacement for the 7D mark II.

No doubt there are users that would like to have better video in a crop body than available right now. I liked the video in the 70D and also like the video in my 80D. But it is not 4K...

While I don't believe video features add to the cost of cameras (increased sales offset any additional costs and at their heart, all digital cameras are video cameras anyway), I've long felt that it made the most sense to designate the XXD series camera as the video-optimized camera in the APS-C line and keep the 7D series focused primarily on stills.

I don't know if Canon agrees though.

johnhenry

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28m ---> 26.5m

4k Video ---> some kind of cropped 4k or none at all

They keep lowering expectation for their cameras as the rumor mill gains accuracy. Just like the 6D Mark II

Adrianf

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I feel that Canon's objective is simple. The Nikon D500 has a slight advantage in performance over the 7D2. Canon needs the 7D3 to be better, in every way, than the D500, but not by much. If they can't do that, then eventually the D500 replacement will blow Canon's crop cameras off the map. It should be a game of leap-frog - that's healthy competition, and drives development targets. The other thing is, too many megapixels and we'll all need the fanciest glassware to keep up.

neonlight

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 It will probably  be what the 7DII should have been

James Larsen

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If it's got 4k video I'll sell my 80D and upgrade to this.

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haggie

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If the EOS 7D Mark III has:

- improved AF in particular tracking accuracy for moving subjects –  in particular for brownish/greenish subjects;
- about 1 stop better DR across the whole range up to 1600 ISO;
- around 20 to 24 Mpixel;
- better sharpness (preferably with an AA-filter, but leave it out otherwise);
- an LCD screen with higher resolution (and possibly, but not necessarily, articulating);
- no price premium due to e.g. 4K video

then I will most certainly get it.

As soon as this becomes clear from reliable tests and reviews, I will get the EOS 7D Mark III right after it becomes available –  even when the price is, as usual, very high due to skimming the market.
And I know a few people who will do the same then.

By the way, I will still keep my 80D then.    ;)
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I feel that Canon's objective is simple. The Nikon D500 has a slight advantage in performance over the 7D2. Canon needs the 7D3 to be better, in every way, than the D500, but not by much. If they can't do that, then eventually the D500 replacement will blow Canon's crop cameras off the map. It should be a game of leap-frog - that's healthy competition, and drives development targets. The other thing is, too many megapixels and we'll all need the fanciest glassware to keep up.

Given that the 7D3 will be introduced severals after the D500, the 7D3 needs to be clearly superior.  Technology marches forward, Canon needs to raise the bar with the 7D3.

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Given that the 7D3 will be introduced severals after the D500, the 7D3 needs to be clearly superior.  Technology marches forward, Canon needs to raise the bar with the 7D3.

There's that word again:  "Need."

I always recommend thinking twice before projecting your expectations as a consumer on to Canon.  They. don't. care. about what you think you need or what you believe you are entitled to for price point X in market segment Y.  They care about their own assessment of the minimum they need to do to not lose you when the 7D3 is announced, in other words: what you think you need/deserve for $1699 is not what you'll leave the company for if it doesn't happen.

Will the 7D3 be better than the 7D2 in general?  Obviously.

Will the 7D3 be better than the 7D2 in a specific metric you care about?  Depends on what it is, but sure, it's possible.

Will the 7D3 be better than the D500?  Probably in places we already take for granted (DPAF) or in incremental 'as time rolls on' moves a 7D3 would have gotten regardless of the D500 existing (+2 fps, + a few more MP, etc.). 

But Canon isn't on the hook to deliver (say) 14 stops of base ISO DR because time and time again the market has shown that Canon doesn't need to deliver that to maintain market share, ASP, etc.

Again:  Canon only has to do enough that you'll begrudgingly stay in the fold plus some small factor of satefy buffer in case their marketing assumptions were off.  To put any more into a camera with a locked in starting price would just undermine their profit margins.

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