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Re: Canon Officially Announces The PowerShot G1 X Mark III
« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2017, 12:05:38 PM »
but the images will be crap anyway.
That alone invalidates your whole post.
because first i mention smart phones have sufficient enough cameras and then images will be crap? when you zoom in on those wannabe zooms, images will be crap, especially because AI Servo on those things aren't worth donkey dong.

Right, because IQ is strictly a function of servo AF performance.  I totally forgot.  People are only shooting wildlife with the 15-45 f/2.8-5.6 crop lens.   ::)

I've had a 5D3 for 5 years and I use Servo AF all of twice a year when I see an interesting bird or take photos of my friend's kids at a soccer game.  Somehow, my 5D3 still delivers nice images with One Shot AF.  I'm going to go out on a very short and sturdy limb and predict this PowerShot will do the same.

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Re: Canon Officially Announces The PowerShot G1 X Mark III
« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2017, 12:05:38 PM »

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Re: Canon Officially Announces The PowerShot G1 X Mark III
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2017, 12:17:02 PM »
but the images will be crap anyway.
That alone invalidates your whole post.
because first i mention smart phones have sufficient enough cameras and then images will be crap? when you zoom in on those wannabe zooms, images will be crap, especially because AI Servo on those things aren't worth donkey dong.

Well when you say "sure this has a bit more zoom and "ai servo" but the images will be crap anyway." I could only assume that the Canon with its 'AI servo' would be 'crap.
If you meant the iphone was 'crap' maybe you should learn to express yourself less ambiguously

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Re: Canon Officially Announces The PowerShot G1 X Mark III
« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2017, 01:00:16 PM »
who the hell buys this anyway. we are living in an era where modern smart phones have beyond sufficient camera for things you are able to take photos of. sure this has a bit more zoom and "ai servo" but the images will be crap anyway.
About 95%-99% of the image quality depends on the photographer.  Have you just rated yourself?

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Re: Canon Officially Announces The PowerShot G1 X Mark III
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2017, 01:19:55 PM »
because first i mention smart phones have sufficient enough cameras and then images will be crap? when you zoom in on those wannabe zooms, images will be crap, especially because AI Servo on those things aren't worth donkey dong.

The idea of 'if cell phones are ascendant and ubiquitous, buying any camera is pointless' gets a little old.

Cell phone tech is improving all the time and cell phone photography is awesome, don't get me wrong.  But the stock cell phone camera cannot:

  • Generate small DOF / bokeh without computational methods (that are fledgling at best in 2017)
  • Work well at high ISO
  • Cover much of anything beyond standard zoom FLs, work with macro, tilt-shift, etc.
  • Get anywhere near the AF and shutter responsiveness of a proper camera

So this G1X Mark III is just another option (in a sea of options) between the cell phone and larger options.  Consider:  even a ground-floor Rebel mops the floor with a cell phone for responsiveness, IQ, high ISO, small DOF, etc. because physics is physics.  This is simply another / smaller / pricier way to get those benefits.

It's not for me, but I'm pretty sure someone has been waiting for this and will pony up the bucks on day one for this.

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Re: Canon Officially Announces The PowerShot G1 X Mark III
« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2017, 01:44:46 PM »
So... how far off am I when I peg this as an EOS M5 + a slightly quicker / slightly smaller fixed 15-45 kit zoom?

And who is this body aimed at market-wise?  2nd body for people who love their Rebels?  1st body for people who don't want to deal with the footprint of a Rebel?  RX100 buyers?  (Surely not X100 buyers, right?) 

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You nailed it...I guess what I'd be even more interested in is a Powershot like an M6 +15-45 kit zoom.

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Re: Canon Officially Announces The PowerShot G1 X Mark III
« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2017, 02:49:43 PM »
So... how far off am I when I peg this as an EOS M5 + a slightly quicker / slightly smaller fixed 15-45 kit zoom?

And who is this body aimed at market-wise?  2nd body for people who love their Rebels?  1st body for people who don't want to deal with the footprint of a Rebel?  RX100 buyers?  (Surely not X100 buyers, right?) 

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You nailed it...I guess what I'd be even more interested in is an M6 +15-45 kit zoom.

Retractable zoom, but not as crappy as Sony's.

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Re: Canon Officially Announces The PowerShot G1 X Mark III
« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2017, 03:28:31 PM »
who the hell buys this anyway. we are living in an era where modern smart phones have beyond sufficient camera for things you are able to take photos of. sure this has a bit more zoom and "ai servo" but the images will be crap anyway.

Were you an extra in K-Pax by any chance ?

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Re: Canon Officially Announces The PowerShot G1 X Mark III
« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2017, 03:28:31 PM »

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Re: Canon Officially Announces The PowerShot G1 X Mark III
« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2017, 04:55:34 PM »
who the hell buys this anyway. we are living in an era where modern smart phones have beyond sufficient camera for things you are able to take photos of. sure this has a bit more zoom and "ai servo" but the images will be crap anyway.
Gee, I don't know.
Fuji seemed to sell boatloads of X-100s with a fixed 35mm FOV lens.
This has a zoom and a decent EVF plus superior AF for the same money.
As for IQ I would presume that a Bayer filtered APS-C sensor will get better PP in LR and C1 than the Fuji.

While it is similar to the M5 with a fixed lens, this is aimed at that segment that does not want interchangeable lenses and wants compactness.
It will sell decently well.
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Re: Canon Officially Announces The PowerShot G1 X Mark III
« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2017, 05:19:15 PM »
Seems like a very odd camera to make at this point in time, with the market and all things being what they are, phones, etc.  It is not a camera that I would have any interest in.... for a lot of reasons.
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Re: Canon Officially Announces The PowerShot G1 X Mark III
« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2017, 05:37:48 PM »
So... how far off am I when I peg this as an EOS M5 + a slightly quicker / slightly smaller fixed 15-45 kit zoom?

And who is this body aimed at market-wise?  2nd body for people who love their Rebels?  1st body for people who don't want to deal with the footprint of a Rebel?  RX100 buyers?  (Surely not X100 buyers, right?) 
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You nailed it...I guess what I'd be even more interested in is a Powershot like an M6 +15-45 kit zoom.

This one has me scratching my head as well.  At this price point, you can buy an M5 + 15-45 kit ($1,049) and EF-M 22 ($199 refurbished) and have a camera that will accept other lenses.  Or, an M6 with a 3rd lens lens. 

I suppose a buyer who would never consider changing lenses...   Seems overpriced to me.

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Re: Canon Officially Announces The PowerShot G1 X Mark III
« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2017, 05:47:43 PM »
Who writes these anouncements? Who reads them?

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Re: Canon Officially Announces The PowerShot G1 X Mark III
« Reply #26 on: October 16, 2017, 05:48:41 PM »
but the images will be crap anyway.
That alone invalidates your whole post.

Well especially juxtaposed with 'phones are good enough for everyone'.
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Re: Canon Officially Announces The PowerShot G1 X Mark III
« Reply #27 on: October 16, 2017, 05:55:02 PM »
I hope Canon made sure their wireless connectivity app works. More people own smartphones than all other devices combined.

Although I am not the target market for this camera I am happy Canon has come around to offering a point & shoot with an APS-C sensor.

Now do the right thing and slowly consolidate the 17 point & shoots into just 3 refreshed models. 1 for the SX Series and 1 for the ELPH series.

Same goes with all the brands as well.

I am still surprised that 4K @ 60fps isnt the norm for flagship point & shoots when the iPhone 8 can do it.

I said it on another thread but I'll repeat: how do you know fewer lines would mean more sales? Do you know anything about selling cameras?

And my eyes are in pain from rolling at your last comment. This is APS-C, not a tiny smartphone camera sensor.
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Re: Canon Officially Announces The PowerShot G1 X Mark III
« Reply #27 on: October 16, 2017, 05:55:02 PM »

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Re: Canon Officially Announces The PowerShot G1 X Mark III
« Reply #28 on: October 16, 2017, 06:51:34 PM »
That is actually a very cool video that does a good explanation of some things like DPAF without a lot of words.  It also demonstrates how small the camera is -- with the lens -- very well.

I kind of want one now.  If only it were cheaper or full frame.  Am I greedy or what? :D

But seriously, I'd pay a few bucks for a full frame version of that.

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Re: Canon Officially Announces The PowerShot G1 X Mark III
« Reply #29 on: October 16, 2017, 07:01:46 PM »
That is actually a very cool video that does a good explanation of some things like DPAF without a lot of words.  It also demonstrates how small the camera is -- with the lens -- very well.

I kind of want one now.  If only it were cheaper or full frame.  Am I greedy or what? :D

But seriously, I'd pay a few bucks for a full frame version of that.

Agree.  But a Canon FF version of that (a) is up against some pricey competition going after wealthy folks who want a great camera and (b) surely wouldn't have a zoom for size reasons.  It'd likely be a 35 f/2 or so and run something like $3-4k depending on what they put inside.

It's amazing design/aesthetic-wise where Canon went with this.  The X100, RX1R, Leica Q invite being held in the hands and tinkered with, while this -- though I'm sure well-informed with Canon's 'ergonomic/control DNA' -- still looks like an engineery mess to the eye.  It even looks more Knight Rider-like than the M5 it surely took its design cues from. 

I generally roll my eyes at how cameras look as they are simply instruments to be used, but something about the G1x3 looks 80s and 'point & shooty'.  I think the collapsible lens is putting me off for some reason.

(Sorry to design snob, it's almost never my bag.)  Good call on a fixed lens FF.  That still may happen.

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Re: Canon Officially Announces The PowerShot G1 X Mark III
« Reply #29 on: October 16, 2017, 07:01:46 PM »