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SecureGSM

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Re: Canon Officially Announces The PowerShot G1 X Mark III
« Reply #75 on: October 19, 2017, 08:44:25 PM »
Some people do this all the time, day in and day out, that is why their logic smells and it is in your best interest to avoid arguing with the stinker.  ;)


Try pissing into the wind instead, it may be more effective…
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Re: Canon Officially Announces The PowerShot G1 X Mark III
« Reply #76 on: October 20, 2017, 12:31:48 AM »
public questioning of prices or business practices often is surprisingly effective ... probably more so than just quietly making a personal buy/no buy decision. Every business is fully dependent on trust and reputation. Even infallible Canon. ;-)

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Re: Canon Officially Announces The PowerShot G1 X Mark III
« Reply #77 on: October 20, 2017, 01:32:54 AM »
public questioning of prices or business practices often is surprisingly effective ... probably more so than just quietly making a personal buy/no buy decision. Every business is fully dependent on trust and reputation. Even infallible Canon. ;-)

I disagree.  You see lots of "public outcry" over things like Lightroom pricing, or iPhone ##, iPad ##, Galaxy S# yet those products are smashing commercial successes by every metric that matters to the company (like profits, growth, marketshare, and mindshare).

At the end of the day, the ratio of people who buy things (or not) and are passionate enough about that decision and prefer to spend their time to post about it online versus the number of people who just buy things (or not) is really tiny.  And, the people who go online are often strongly set in their opinion, and are difficult to sway either way. 

Also, as much as we love to think that price is a priority, for people who buy luxury items or work tools, price often is only a superficial priority.  Someone might SAY price is very important to them (even a determinant factor), yet when push comes to shove, they buy what they want and justify it, rather than an alternative.

The way to convince a company that product that it's too expensive is to not buy it.  It's unlikely that the price will change in the short term (among other things, large companies are not nimble), but long term, or a future generation product may see a change. 

The other way to convince a company that price is very important or how relatively determinant price is, is to participate in surveys, focus groups, round tables (especially the latter two) and bring along well-thought points.  Usually, that will require you to be a professional in its target market. 
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Re: Canon Officially Announces The PowerShot G1 X Mark III
« Reply #78 on: October 21, 2017, 06:21:08 AM »
public questioning of prices or business practices often is surprisingly effective ... probably more so than just quietly making a personal buy/no buy decision. Every business is fully dependent on trust and reputation. Even infallible Canon. ;-)

I disagree.  You see lots of "public outcry" over things like Lightroom pricing, or iPhone ##, iPad ##, Galaxy S# yet those products are smashing commercial successes by every metric that matters to the company (like profits, growth, marketshare, and mindshare).

At the end of the day, the ratio of people who buy things (or not) and are passionate enough about that decision and prefer to spend their time to post about it online versus the number of people who just buy things (or not) is really tiny.  And, the people who go online are often strongly set in their opinion, and are difficult to sway either way. 
... SNIP...
The other way to convince a company that price is very important or how relatively determinant price is, is to participate in surveys, focus groups, round tables (especially the latter two) and bring along well-thought points.  Usually, that will require you to be a professional in its target market.

The marketing guys usually get it right ... there are many reasons why you price and spec a product a certain way not least to fill a gap in the market to capture a certain kind of customer, act as halo product etc.

Take the iPhone X ... CLEARLY over priced for most, but there are a sufficient number of well-healed customers with fat wallets who are prepared to pay almost ANYTHING to get the latest greatest Apple product.   The marketing team knows this and doesn't care that the rest of the market is not interested, they only want to maximise profit and brand.

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Re: Canon Officially Announces The PowerShot G1 X Mark III
« Reply #79 on: October 21, 2017, 05:13:03 PM »
The marketing guys usually get it right ... there are many reasons why you price and spec a product a certain way not least to fill a gap in the market to capture a certain kind of customer, act as halo product etc.

Take the iPhone X ... CLEARLY over priced for most, but there are a sufficient number of well-healed customers with fat wallets who are prepared to pay almost ANYTHING to get the latest greatest Apple product.   The marketing team knows this and doesn't care that the rest of the market is not interested, they only want to maximise profit and brand.
The price of the G1 X Mark III matches the Fujifilm X100F

Canon EOS M5 Mirrorless Digital Camera with 15-45mm Lens is $1,049 but is heavier, larger and has a slower lens than the G1X Mark III. Both cameras share the same focal length range and APS-C image sensor.

The PowerShot isnt primarily targeted at people who need an ILC.

Its for people who want as small and light a camera possible that provides superior image quality to supplement and connect to their smartphone.

To further assert this position that there is a market for the G1X Mark III on October 12, 2017 Canon manufactured it's 90 millionth EOS body and 130 millionth EF lens.

That comes out as 1.4444 lenses for every 1 body.

This tells me that the majority of body owners probably own 1 lens. This lens is probably the bundled kit lens hence the popularity of body kits from as high as a the 5D series to the entry 200D/SL2.

The minority own more than 1 lens.

I vaguely remember that the 1-Series bodies make up 1% of the annual production run of EOS bodies of Canon. I have never seen a 1-Series body kit bundle offered since I kept track of dSLRs in 2003.

This would be similar to Nikon as well.

So at most 1-Series bodies will not exceed 1 million units in its whole production run.

This is the same as the iPhone X. It might appeal to the top 1% or top 10% of iPhone users.
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Re: Canon Officially Announces The PowerShot G1 X Mark III
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