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Re: Using the Built-in Flash
« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2012, 12:35:41 PM »
Thanks for the continued responses.

Any comments on the 550EX or 430EZ the 420 EX> I've found them for reasonable prices (comparatively). Thanks.
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« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2012, 12:58:31 PM »
Skip the EZ model, no E-TTL metering so get an EX.  550 or 420 are not too bad compared to the current versions. 
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Re: Using the Built-in Flash
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2012, 02:05:12 PM »
Hopefully someone's still reading this.

Just wanted to check in to make sure that the 430EX mark 1 is not totally useless and if I can get a decently priced copy, it's not a bad idea.

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« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2012, 02:13:29 PM »
Just wanted to check in to make sure that the 430EX mark 1 is not totally useless and if I can get a decently priced copy, it's not a bad idea.

Quite decent.  The improvements added with the 430EX II are: 20% faster and silent recycle time, a new metal mounting foot with redesigned connection pins, a new quick release and locking mechanism, manual mode settings in 1/3 stop increments and, when used with compatible EOS cameras, all Speedlite 430EX II settings can be controlled through the camera menu system.  If there's nothing in that list you can't live without, go for it! 
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Re: Using the Built-in Flash
« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2012, 02:42:55 PM »
Cool. How useful is the through the camera control. I assume that it doesn't add any functionality and everything can still be controlled using the flash controls.

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« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2012, 03:06:51 PM »
Correct - it doesn't add any functionality, just makes it easier to program.  For example, if you wanted to turn off the AF assist lamp or modeling flash, you might have dig out the manual to figure out which custom functions those are, vs. seeing the words on the camera LCD.  Not a big deal for the most part, though.
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Re: Using the Built-in Flash
« Reply #21 on: February 29, 2012, 02:13:53 PM »
I'm not gone yet.

Soooooo.
I got a 430EX2 for a good price from CL knowing that the wide panel was broken. I wasn't too concerned about this and unfortunately I wasn't very familiar with the operation of this flash before I bought it. So I played around with it a bit before buying it and everything seemed to check out;  however when I brought it home I read the manual and realized a problem.

So as you know, when you use the wide panel, the flash zoom is set to 14mm. So yeah... apparently this flash is constantly thinking that the wide panel is out and there is no way to change the flash zoom. Auto 14mm cannot be overrided and manual zoom is disabled.

So... I guess this might be a problem... unless
a) I can fix it. I see that there are wide panel repair kits on ebay for around $20. I know my way around a screw driver and wouldn't be against doing this unless...
b) nbd, 14mm flash zoom is all I need and will suffice most needs.

Now I obviously know that this is going to hurt my reach, either requiring me to bump up ISO or move close/use wider lenses. Or am I never going to use head on flash anyway, so it doesn't matter.

So many questions but I don't  know much about this stuff so please share your wealth of knowledge. Should I try to get my money back (to be fair, the seller was honest about the condition, I should have known about the limitation or checked for it). Thanks!

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Re: Using the Built-in Flash
« Reply #22 on: February 29, 2012, 02:31:33 PM »
Also wondering if it is possible to just trick the flash into thinking that the panel is down and disabling it by opening it up and what not.

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« Reply #23 on: February 29, 2012, 02:32:57 PM »
So as you know, when you use the wide panel, the flash zoom is set to 14mm. So yeah... apparently this flash is constantly thinking that the wide panel is out and there is no way to change the flash zoom. Auto 14mm cannot be overrided and manual zoom is disabled.

So... I guess this might be a problem... unless
a) I can fix it. I see that there are wide panel repair kits on ebay for around $20. I know my way around a screw driver and wouldn't be against doing this unless...
b) nbd, 14mm flash zoom is all I need and will suffice most needs.

Bummer.  B is not the case - the zoom definitely helps with distant subjects, and with bouncing flash. 

Also wondering if it is possible to just trick the flash into thinking that the panel is down and disabling it by opening it up and what not.

No idea, but you'd need to trick the flash into thinking the panel is retracted into the slot.
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Re: Using the Built-in Flash
« Reply #24 on: February 29, 2012, 02:37:34 PM »
Hmm. Some suggestions that putting a card down there may help trick the flash
http://www.flickr.com/groups/canonspeedlite/discuss/72157624254978003/
But I'm skeptical because I have the broken wide panel and sticking it back into the slot doesn't help.

Thanks. I'll keep trying. Pretty silly that you can't use manual zoom on the flash with the wide panel out.

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Re: Using the Built-in Flash
« Reply #25 on: February 29, 2012, 03:30:57 PM »
Pop-up flash diffusers work okay-ish for macro.  I used to improvise the same sort of thing with a piece of toilet paper and some scotch tape.

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Re: Using the Built-in Flash
« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2012, 11:10:48 AM »
Thanks everyone again. After a bit of struggling, I opened the flash and was able to easily figure out how to trick the flash into thinking that the wide panel was down. Looks like I'll be able to start playing with this bad boy soon enough.

I'll leave this thread if people want to continue discussing the possible uses of the pop-up flash, but expect me back with a "using a camera mounted flash" thread soon enough ;)

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Re: Using the Built-in Flash
« Reply #27 on: March 20, 2012, 02:16:50 AM »
As bycostello, the pop-up flash is already pretty weak, and adding a diffuser will cost you a stop or more.  A pop-up flash diffuser will certainly soften the light, but for it to be effective you'll have to practically shove your camera into the subject's face. About the only place a pop-up flash is useful is for fill light outdoors.

... or with macro shots! Until your lens shadows the in-built flash, it's great for additional fill, and then a diffuser will make sense for reducing the shadow. I'm mostly taking my macro shots with 2 flashes: in-built for fill and external (430ex2 via infrared remote) for directional or bounce.

Even if the effect of the in-built flash is very tiny when the ambient light is brighter, it still can make a difference in postprocessing, so I wouldn't disregard it as many people with full frame bodies (and no pop-up flash) do.

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« Reply #27 on: March 20, 2012, 02:16:50 AM »