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Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]
« on: January 03, 2018, 01:33:39 PM »
We’re told that the Canon EOS 7D Mark III, which will be Canon’s first APS-C 4K camera, will have a slight crop when shooting in 4K.

As for frame rates, do not expect anything more than 30fps in 4K, and 60fps in 1080P.

There has been no mention of whether or not this camera will get a CFast slot. The EOS-1D X Mark II does, while the EOS 5D Mark IV does not. We’d like to see the EOS 7D Mark III get a CFast slot along with an SD slot.

We don’t yet have a solid announcement timeframe for the 7D Mark III, we hope to solve that riddle soon.

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Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]
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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2018, 01:47:56 PM »
What a shock! Canon keeping frame rates to a minimum and implementing a crop in 4K? I don't believe it.

I predict this will have the same MJPEG 4K of the 5DIV and I'd be surprised if they put in 1080 120fps. I'd like to be optimistic but Canon has given us no reason to believe otherwise.

However, they'd have a smash hit if they pulled out the stops and gave us a decent 4K codec with no crop, 4K 60p and 120fps 1080 with built-in Clog.

Not holding my breath, though- their track record speaks for itself.


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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2018, 01:56:53 PM »
Depending on the amount of "slight" this may not be too drastic or different from Super35.  Will wait to see.  More concerned with codec support at this point.  The 5D4 at 4K is nearly useless for longform shooting with small crews due to the data overload and post-processing that needs to be done just to work with the footage.  Works great as a 1080HD camera, however.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2018, 02:02:31 PM »
that means there is probably no chance for the 90d to become a video hit with 4k 60p and a decent codec without crop. Not that i was expecting that, canon usually doesn't like to make camera's as good as they can be. a small crop wouldt be too much of a problem but it isn't nice.

also canon please do add things like waveforms, focus peaking, c-log and nice slow motion. as a paid upgrade or seperate camera if necessary.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2018, 02:07:05 PM »

This just in:  Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in Sales [CR9]

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2018, 02:30:22 PM »
Does it really matter? I don't picture the 7D as targeted to video shooters.
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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2018, 02:46:17 PM »
Does it really matter? I don't picture the 7D as targeted to video shooters.

Some believe the APS-C flagship should be the best in everything APS-C camera.  The notion that a 7D3 is better than a (future) 90D in stills but is second fiddle to that 90D in video doesn't sit well with them. 

These are often the same folks saying that Canon needs a good/better/best tier-ing of FF non-gripped bodies like Nikon and (to a lesser extent) Sony: a perfect clarity of value proposition in which if you pay more, you get more on every front: resolution, framerate, buffer size, video features, etc.

(FTR, I am not one of these people.  I think Canon shrewdly brands around camps of photography markets and just play the simple good/better/best card to their financial benefit.  They are very good at this.)

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2018, 02:46:17 PM »

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2018, 03:07:56 PM »
Does it really matter? I don't picture the 7D as targeted to video shooters.

Some believe the APS-C flagship should be the best in everything APS-C camera.  The notion that a 7D3 is better than a (future) 90D in stills but is second fiddle to that 90D in video doesn't sit well with them... 

On the other hand, I've long argued that the XXD line should be the dominant video line. Keep the 7D as the premier action and wildlife crop sensor body for stills and put the video-centric features into the flip-screened XXD line.

On a side note, might the "slight crop" be the difference between the 5DIV 1.7 video crop and the traditional 1.6 crop factor?

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2018, 03:20:30 PM »
On a side note, might the "slight crop" be the difference between the 5DIV 1.7 video crop and the traditional 1.6 crop factor?

if it ends up like that it would be a coincidence.  the 7D Mark II  had a much higher pixel density than the 5d Mark IV.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2018, 03:23:47 PM »
We’re told that the Canon EOS 7D Mark III, which will be Canon’s first APS-C 4K camera, will have a slight crop when shooting in 4K.
As for frame rates, do not expect anything more than 30fps in 4K, and 60fps in 1080P.

this means they are significantly having to boost what they are doing internally to get out 4K.

MJPEG would in theory have a much heavier crop for 4K - probably around another 1.7 crop of the APS-C sensor.

it will be curious if this is the first Canon camera with an integrated 4K pipeline, which no other canon camera has to date that isn't a video camera based upon DIGIC DV.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2018, 03:37:49 PM »
Does it really matter? I don't picture the 7D as targeted to video shooters.

Some believe the APS-C flagship should be the best in everything APS-C camera.  The notion that a 7D3 is better than a (future) 90D in stills but is second fiddle to that 90D in video doesn't sit well with them... 

On the other hand, I've long argued that the XXD line should be the dominant video line. Keep the 7D as the premier action and wildlife crop sensor body for stills and put the video-centric features into the flip-screened XXD line.

On a side note, might the "slight crop" be the difference between the 5DIV 1.7 video crop and the traditional 1.6 crop factor?

People seem to forget the original 7D was THE DSLR video camera of choice for a few years when it first appeared.

One can only hope the crop is minimal from the 1.6x crop of APS-C.

It would make sense to have the video-centric features in a flip-screened XXD line, but I don't see Canon incentivized to do that given the lower pricing of those models as it would undercut their flagships. They'll save the best video features for flagships.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2018, 04:03:46 PM »
People seem to forget the original 7D was THE DSLR video camera of choice for a few years when it first appeared.

The 60D, which came less than a year later, was actually better for video. As well as the flippy screen, it offered VGA crop mode and manual recording volume control.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2018, 04:09:05 PM »
I assume that slight crop would be 1.74x like with the 5D4, which is slight for Canon's 1.6x crop sensor.
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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2018, 04:09:05 PM »

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2018, 04:43:23 PM »
Does it really matter? I don't picture the 7D as targeted to video shooters.

Some believe the APS-C flagship should be the best in everything APS-C camera.  The notion that a 7D3 is better than a (future) 90D in stills but is second fiddle to that 90D in video doesn't sit well with them. 

These are often the same folks saying that Canon needs a good/better/best tier-ing of FF non-gripped bodies like Nikon and (to a lesser extent) Sony: a perfect clarity of value proposition in which if you pay more, you get more on every front: resolution, framerate, buffer size, video features, etc.

(FTR, I am not one of these people.  I think Canon shrewdly brands around camps of photography markets and just play the simple good/better/best card to their financial benefit.  They are very good at this.)

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There's that and there's the fact that the 7d line already takes a beating from the competition in stills anyway. I'm not a video shooter but the extreme file sizes and codec keep me from taking even the occasional short video with the 5d4 and 1dx2. It's a shame really, makes no sense to limit options that much.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2018, 04:44:04 PM »
I assume that slight crop would be 1.74x like with the 5D4, which is slight for Canon's 1.6x crop sensor.

that wouldn't work out mathematically.

the reason the 5D Mark IV has a 1.74 crop is that's the window in the center of the sensor that is the 4096 × 2160 pixels in size.

for that to work on the 7D Mark III the same way, it would have around a 1.2 crop of a 1.6 crop APS-C sensor which would end up having a 1.92 FF equivalent crop.

Then again, after doing that math.  maybe the 7D Mark II will have a 1.2 crop which would be considered a "slight" crop



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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2018, 04:44:04 PM »