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Re: Canon Updates DPP, Adds Support for the EOS Rebel 300D and EOS D30
« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2018, 03:39:36 PM »
I'd be interested in knowing more about the added partial adjustments feature
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Re: Canon Updates DPP, Adds Support for the EOS Rebel 300D and EOS D30
« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2018, 03:39:36 PM »

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Re: Canon Updates DPP, Adds Support for the EOS Rebel 300D and EOS D30
« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2018, 07:51:17 PM »
I'd be interested in knowing more about the added partial adjustments feature

I've messed around with it - I'll be honest, I was initially excited about it because this was something I've desired for a LONG time in DPP - the ability to apply RAW adjustments to simply a part of an image instead of the entire image. However, while it does allow you to adjust a portion of an image, the adjustments are limited to only brightness/contrast/saturation (NOT exposure, it seems). It's no replacement for Lightroom's flexibility unfortunately...

That said, I'll give Canon credit for at least trying - at least they've laid the groundwork here, and that's good to see.

ETA: Also, moire adjustment can be applied to a selected part of an image. Looks like you can store up to 5 selections per image
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Re: Canon Updates DPP, Adds Support for the EOS Rebel 300D and EOS D30
« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2018, 09:44:29 PM »
This is welcome news to me! I started on the Digital Rebel and then the Rebel XTi and have 1000s of pictures that I still tweak from time to time. It will be nice to finally have one DPP to rule them all!

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Re: Canon Updates DPP, Adds Support for the EOS Rebel 300D and EOS D30
« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2018, 02:44:57 PM »
Yeah it seems a little late for that?

I do not think - it's for those  who started early with digital and do not want to switch between versions of DPP.
If older versions of DPP supported those cameras, why did Canon dropped support later on?

Maybe Canon found that it is to complicated to keep routines for all camera types in one big software: To complex, to much computing resources during runtime. In ~2003 when the 300D came out designing complex software wasn't that easy and the windows operating systems were not what they are today.

Modular design & shared libraries is hardly a new concept. MS Windows had DLLs in day one, back in the eighties, I trust Mac OS & Linux had shared libraries long before 2003 as well.

So DPP could have had modular support for varying cameras with zero virtual memory & run time complexity at that time. As disk size passed 10GB at the time, that wasn't much of a problem either.

Shure, shared libraries (DLLs in windows speak) were standard from the times when resources have been sparse. My first linux install 25 years ago (... in 1993) was full of .so files - shared libraries.

I meant the development process, the programming of complex software with a lot of dependencies. Think about the controls of new features which have to be disabled for older CR files and similar dependencies. While it is always possible to put a lot of features together ... it is the working hours to TEST THE SOFTWARE which makes these processes very expensive. But in my opinion the frameworks to help programmers to check software dependencies (not what the compiler does but some other framwork specific for each type of software) were developed later maybe during 2000 - 2010 when a lot of software grew in complexity.

My experience in programming (of small projects) is that writing is done in e.g. 2 weeks, testing needs 6 weeks before you have a first usable version and after 6 months users have found most of the errors - I speak of internet based apps like a simple intranet or a library management.

And I think Canon is very conservative - they do not want to sell HW or SW which doesn't work as expected. They are always a little bit later but they are there. And DPP is a very good software + included in the box.
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Re: Canon Updates DPP, Adds Support for the EOS Rebel 300D and EOS D30
« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2018, 03:13:45 PM »
Yeah it seems a little late for that?

I do not think - it's for those  who started early with digital and do not want to switch between versions of DPP.
If older versions of DPP supported those cameras, why did Canon dropped support later on?

Maybe Canon found that it is to complicated to keep routines for all camera types in one big software: To complex, to much computing resources during runtime. In ~2003 when the 300D came out designing complex software wasn't that easy and the windows operating systems were not what they are today.

Modular design & shared libraries is hardly a new concept. MS Windows had DLLs in day one, back in the eighties, I trust Mac OS & Linux had shared libraries long before 2003 as well.

So DPP could have had modular support for varying cameras with zero virtual memory & run time complexity at that time. As disk size passed 10GB at the time, that wasn't much of a problem either.

Sure, shared libraries (DLLs in windows speak) were standard from the times when resources have been sparse. My first linux install 25 years ago (... in 1993) was full of .so files - shared libraries.

I meant the development process, the programming of complex software with a lot of dependencies. Think about the controls of new features which have to be disabled for older CR files and similar dependencies. While it is always possible to put a lot of features together ... it is the working hours to TEST THE SOFTWARE which makes these processes very expensive.

Not necessary. Canon can have one shared library per camera that knows which (= is hard coded to handle) features its raw files support and which aren't.

E.g. DPP doesn't need to say 'oh, this is 5DmkIV, sum two halves into one pixel, this is 300D, so don't'. It should have a 300D dll that doesn't know about DPAF, and a 5DmkIV dll that handles DPAF unconditionally.

This simplifies testing. DPP should process X raw files from each old camera, and the dlls' output [possibly intermediate, and never seen by customers] should be compared to whatever came out from the previous version.

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Re: Canon Updates DPP, Adds Support for the EOS Rebel 300D and EOS D30
« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2018, 10:29:55 AM »
Whoever bought my used 300D 10 years ago, I want it back!!!

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Re: Canon Updates DPP, Adds Support for the EOS Rebel 300D and EOS D30
« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2018, 01:26:25 AM »
Just downloaded the latest DPP.  The spot adjustment will be useful for simply brightening a birds eye, to give one example, but on my old computer it takes a long time if a lot of adjustments have been made.  I presume it's better to do what you can in DPP since Canon should know how to modify their own RAW files as good as anyone.

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Re: Canon Updates DPP, Adds Support for the EOS Rebel 300D and EOS D30
« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2018, 01:26:25 AM »

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Re: Canon Updates DPP, Adds Support for the EOS Rebel 300D and EOS D30
« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2018, 02:58:32 AM »
Is it just my computer??  This latest version is so slow and clunky although the new feature is appreciated if it didn't take all day.  Everything I've done quickly and without issue in the previous version is now slow so I may have to go back.

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Re: Canon Updates DPP, Adds Support for the EOS Rebel 300D and EOS D30
« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2018, 02:58:32 AM »