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Re: New Canon 70-200mm Lenses Coming in Early June [CR3]
« Reply #60 on: May 16, 2018, 06:57:16 PM »
That's what struck me too. Full Frame Mirrorless will be an EF mount

That's speculation, not fact.  I agree that very well may be what happens, but we won't know until the day it's announced.

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Re: New Canon 70-200mm Lenses Coming in Early June [CR3]
« Reply #60 on: May 16, 2018, 06:57:16 PM »

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Re: New Canon 70-200mm Lenses Coming in Early June [CR3]
« Reply #61 on: May 16, 2018, 07:06:12 PM »
Personally, I don't think the mount will be a new one. If it is, I wouldn't care. Happy to keep using a DSLR and my current lenses. Heck, the DSLR will never completely go away in our lifetimes. At least not in mine.

+1.  EF is not going away.  The question is:  will EF have a mirrorless-specific little brother that runs along side it someday? 

  • If it does, EF will still truck on for a very long time.

  • If it doesn't, EF will still truck on for a very long time.
 
Panic that anyone has bought into EF 'just as it is going away' needs to consider (a) it isn't going away and (b) even if a thin mirrorless mount becomes the dominant mount, it would take a decade to even begin to replace what EF offers.  Hence, EF is here for the near, mid and long term.

Annnnnd we're OT.  My bad.

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Re: New Canon 70-200mm Lenses Coming in Early June [CR3]
« Reply #62 on: May 16, 2018, 07:35:28 PM »
That's what struck me too. Full Frame Mirrorless will be an EF mount

That's speculation, not fact.  I agree that very well may be what happens, but we won't know until the day it's announced.

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Re: New Canon 70-200mm Lenses Coming in Early June [CR3]
« Reply #63 on: May 16, 2018, 08:23:03 PM »
Two radical (perhaps unrealistic) options that would make 200 2.8 iii stand out from competition.

1. Make it DO and thus smaller and lighter than any competitors.

2. Put in a built-in 1.4x extender (a la 200-400 f4).

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Re: New Canon 70-200mm Lenses Coming in Early June [CR3]
« Reply #64 on: May 16, 2018, 08:47:46 PM »
Two radical (perhaps unrealistic) options that would make 200 2.8 iii stand out from competition.

1. Make it DO and thus smaller and lighter than any competitors.

2. Put in a built-in 1.4x extender (a la 200-400 f4).

Sure, but it's only competition appears to be itself, i.e. the Mk II.  (It's a staggeringly good lens already.)

I think they can cobble together enough 10% improvements in weight, MFD, sharpness, etc., add a 1-2 stops of IS, a CPL window and it will sell itself -- and they won't have to push the boat out on potentially turning folks off with the added cost/length/weight of an in-line T/C or any contrast concerns of DO.

(Also, sorry for being pedantic, but a DO lens wouldn't be an L or a III -- it would be a 70-200 f/2.8 DO IS USM.  If the rumors are correct in that we'll see an f/2.8L IS III and f/4L IS II, DO won't be part of it.)

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Re: New Canon 70-200mm Lenses Coming in Early June [CR3]
« Reply #65 on: May 16, 2018, 09:12:45 PM »
Two radical (perhaps unrealistic) options that would make 200 2.8 iii stand out from competition.

1. Make it DO and thus smaller and lighter than any competitors.

2. Put in a built-in 1.4x extender (a la 200-400 f4).

Sure, but it's only competition appears to be itself, i.e. the Mk II.  (It's a staggeringly good lens already.)

I think they can cobble together enough 10% improvements in weight, MFD, sharpness, etc., add a 1-2 stops of IS, a CPL window and it will sell itself -- and they won't have to push the boat out on potentially turning folks off with the added cost/length/weight of an in-line T/C or any contrast concerns of DO.

(Also, sorry for being pedantic, but a DO lens wouldn't be an L or a III -- it would be a 70-200 f/2.8 DO IS USM.  If the rumors are correct in that we'll see an f/2.8L IS III and f/4L IS II, DO won't be part of it.)

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Out of curiosity could a DO lens be an L lens? I'm not sure what the full requirements are for an L lens but can a DO lens be high enough quality and meet the other requirements, whatever those are?

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Re: New Canon 70-200mm Lenses Coming in Early June [CR3]
« Reply #66 on: May 16, 2018, 09:17:22 PM »
Out of curiosity could a DO lens be an L lens? I'm not sure what the full requirements are for an L lens but can a DO lens be high enough quality and meet the other requirements, whatever those are?

Someone more well read than I will quote some part of Canon's brand/nomenclature strategy that formally says 'DO is DO and L is L and never the twain shall meet', but I just go to TDP and check:

"Apparently, "DO" and "L" are mutually exclusive at this point in Canon lens product development, but more important is that DO is essentially L in terms of quality."

All the DO lenses have a green ring and not a red ring, and none have the L in their nomenclature.

Conversely, the L lenses get the red ring and I can't find DO in the name anywhere.

I'm not saying it will always be that way, but that's the way it appears to be now.

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Re: New Canon 70-200mm Lenses Coming in Early June [CR3]
« Reply #66 on: May 16, 2018, 09:17:22 PM »

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Re: New Canon 70-200mm Lenses Coming in Early June [CR3]
« Reply #67 on: May 16, 2018, 10:41:59 PM »
I would like a 70-200mm f/2.0 with a 100mm filter that is 1.5 kg heavier weight than the f/2.8.

You're in a minority.

Just not the astronomical price associated with a f/2.0

If only every lens was priced like a 50mm f/1.8...

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Re: New Canon 70-200mm Lenses Coming in Early June [CR3]
« Reply #68 on: May 17, 2018, 12:45:43 AM »
A couple of days ago I made what I think of as a "house call" in which I did a boudoir shoot for a woman at her own home.  I was surprised to learn that she is a wedding/portrait photographer who also shoots Canon.

After completing the indoor shoot and having a great conversation about our favorite Canon gear, we decided to drive a few blocks to a park to do some outdoor portrait shots for her.  I didn't bring my 70-200 F/4, so I asked to borrow her 70-200 F/2.8 Mark II.

Good heavens, that is a nice lens!  I can see why you guys put up with the size and weight.  The subject/background separation wide open is even better than I expected and the bokeh is fabulous.  I shot hand held and the stabilization worked really well.

I have a number of prime lenses and my 70-200 F/4 that cover the same range, but I'm starting to lust after the F/2.8.  I would just go for the Mark II, I can't imaging the Mark III could offer anything more that I would need, unless it is smaller and lighter!  LOL
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Re: New Canon 70-200mm Lenses Coming in Early June [CR3]
« Reply #69 on: May 17, 2018, 12:54:44 AM »
Two radical (perhaps unrealistic) options that would make 200 2.8 iii stand out from competition.

1. Make it DO and thus smaller and lighter than any competitors.

2. Put in a built-in 1.4x extender (a la 200-400 f4).

Sure, but it's only competition appears to be itself, i.e. the Mk II.  (It's a staggeringly good lens already.)

I think they can cobble together enough 10% improvements in weight, MFD, sharpness, etc., add a 1-2 stops of IS, a CPL window and it will sell itself -- and they won't have to push the boat out on potentially turning folks off with the added cost/length/weight of an in-line T/C or any contrast concerns of DO.

(Also, sorry for being pedantic, but a DO lens wouldn't be an L or a III -- it would be a 70-200 f/2.8 DO IS USM.  If the rumors are correct in that we'll see an f/2.8L IS III and f/4L IS II, DO won't be part of it.)

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Contrast problems of DO? You are a generation of lenses behind - Canon solved the problem of poor contrast in the original 400mm DO by adding a second Fresnel lens in the 400mm DO II.
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Re: New Canon 70-200mm Lenses Coming in Early June [CR3]
« Reply #70 on: May 17, 2018, 02:04:24 AM »
Contrast problems of DO? You are a generation of lenses behind - Canon solved the problem of poor contrast in the original 400mm DO by adding a second Fresnel lens in the 400mm DO II.

I am behind, yes.  You are correct that I am referring to problems from some time ago in reading the 70-300 DO review.

But if DO problems have been solved and shorten up lenses so dramatically -- why haven't we seen them in others FLs?  Less length-saving bang for the buck?  Too expensive to make?  Problematic with fast zoom designs?  Just curious why we've seen in it in a 400 prime and a 70-300 zoom and nowhere else.

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Re: New Canon 70-200mm Lenses Coming in Early June [CR3]
« Reply #71 on: May 17, 2018, 02:45:10 AM »
Contrast problems of DO? You are a generation of lenses behind - Canon solved the problem of poor contrast in the original 400mm DO by adding a second Fresnel lens in the 400mm DO II.

I am behind, yes.  You are correct that I am referring to problems from some time ago in reading the 70-300 DO review.h

But if DO problems have been solved and shorten up lenses so dramatically -- why haven't we seen them in others FLs?  Less length-saving bang for the buck?  Too expensive to make?  Problematic with fast zoom designs?  Just curious why we've seen in it in a 400 prime and a 70-300 zoom and nowhere else.

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Nikon does a lovely little 300mm f/4 DO equivalent (= PF), which is very light. It’s not worth the weight saving in shorter lenses and I am sure we will see more DO telephoto in the future. 
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Re: New Canon 70-200mm Lenses Coming in Early June [CR3]
« Reply #72 on: May 17, 2018, 04:27:59 AM »
Personally, I don't think the mount will be a new one. If it is, I wouldn't care. Happy to keep using a DSLR and my current lenses. Heck, the DSLR will never completely go away in our lifetimes. At least not in mine.

+1.  EF is not going away.  The question is:  will EF have a mirrorless-specific little brother that runs along side it someday? 

  • If it does, EF will still truck on for a very long time.

  • If it doesn't, EF will still truck on for a very long time.
 
Panic that anyone has bought into EF 'just as it is going away' needs to consider (a) it isn't going away and (b) even if a thin mirrorless mount becomes the dominant mount, it would take a decade to even begin to replace what EF offers.  Hence, EF is here for the near, mid and long term.

Annnnnd we're OT.  My bad.

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I know it is not a popular idea here, but wouldn't a mirrorless system with an MF sensor allow Canon to "protect" the EF legacy a little longer?

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Re: New Canon 70-200mm Lenses Coming in Early June [CR3]
« Reply #72 on: May 17, 2018, 04:27:59 AM »

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Re: New Canon 70-200mm Lenses Coming in Early June [CR3]
« Reply #73 on: May 17, 2018, 06:02:43 AM »
I’ll buy the F/2.8 immediately without any hestitation

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Re: New Canon 70-200mm Lenses Coming in Early June [CR3]
« Reply #74 on: May 17, 2018, 07:53:47 AM »
I know it is not a popular idea here, but wouldn't a mirrorless system with an MF sensor allow Canon to "protect" the EF legacy a little longer?
Do you realize that only TS-E lenses have an image circle big enough for a medium format?

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« Reply #74 on: May 17, 2018, 07:53:47 AM »