What's Next? A General Breakdown

[moreorless]

The 5D3 is the first Canon DSLR in a while that didn't appear with a new lens. I expected the 35/1.4L II and/or the 100-400/4-5.6L to be released with it.

I wouldnt be supprized if the original plan was for the new 24-70 and the IS primes to be annouced along side it only to have the lenses shifted forward to counter the D800 annoucement.

[vaust]

waiting.... and waiting.... for the T4i... I hope to hear more news soon.

[RichST]

I don't understand the logic behind canon releasing the c300 and then a 4k cinema dslr... I am not a videographer so know very little about it. However, I do know the c300 is NOT 4k. If canon releases a 4k dslr, would it theoretically produce a better image than the c300 but with fewer cinema controls and options?

I just don't understand.

A pleasing images is not completely reliant on resolution. Take the Arri Alexa for example. It's only 2K, but is considered by many as the best overall picture for video; even when compared to the 4K Reds. The Codec plays are huge role in the IQ. Even though it's a good camera, the C-300 is very overpriced and under spec'd compared to Sony's similar offerings. No camera that is 4:2:2 8 bit should cost 16K. For that price it needs to be 10 bit to justify it.

With that said, early reports on the 5D3 are pretty disappointing for video. Many are seeing that it's still NOT true HD, but STILL an up-res'd 720p, which is crushingly sad considering there are $900 cameras with true 1080p HD.

But it's still a Pre-Production model, so hopefully Canon will do the right thing on the final release and have TRUE 1080p that the customers deserve. I'm thinking that the upcoming 4K VDSLR will have to be a home run for video, because the C-300 was not and it's starting to look like the 5D3 has been deliberately crippled, at least on the Pre-Production models.

But for the 5D3, I guess we will have to wait for the retail model and get some real tests for the video. I'm holding my breath till then. If it's not up-res'd 720p, I would gladly buy one and also the 4K VDSLR when that comes out. If not, I'm going to wait for the 4K camera.

What are you chatting about? Not true 1080 HD? Since when...?

All the current Canon's 5D2, 7D, etc... do NOT have true 1080p video. It's more like a 720p that is scaled up to 1080p. That is why the current Canons look soft when compared to video cameras with true 1080p like the C-300, Sony FS-100, Panasonic GH2 (which only costs $900).

That's one of the biggest complaints about the current Canon video and what we hoped Canon was going to fix. But it looks like from early shots, that the video is still scaled up 720p and pretty soft but at least without the moire and aliasing. Canon can easily do real 1080p, but they're just trying to protect their higher end cameras like the C-300 and probably the forthcoming 4K VDSLR

Now if the 4K Video DSLR does not have true 1080p, that would be really, really lame.

But like I said, this is only seeing test shots from the production 5D3. Hopefully the final market version will be real 1080p and nice and crispy like what everyone wants. On a cameras as expensive as the 5D3, it SHOULD have real 1080p.

Mmm, well that depends on what your definition of "true" 1080p is. If you define it as a 1920x1080 output that has a full R, G and B value to it then no, the 5D3 and other current Canons do not have this (neither would the GH2, though it's closer). What Canon will likely be doing is use binning on the 5D3 to get a smaller 1080p Bayer pattern that is going to be on the soft side since the binned pixels will probably overlap slightly. Resolved lines will probably not even be true 720p (which is closer to GH2 territory) but then again none of these cameras have ever been

[cbphoto]

From my seat, it looks like the 1Dx covers the sports/PJ/high ISO/rapid fire photographer, while the 5D3 targets the wedding and portrait market. The group that falls through the cracks is the still-life and fashion photographers who don't need 10 frames per second but do need more than 18 megapixels.

In my dreams, Canon is developing a 36mp camera. No video, no uberhigh ISO, no rapid fire. Just perfect image quality at low to medium ISO settings.

Dreaming's free!   

[LetTheRightLensIn]

I don't understand the logic behind canon releasing the c300 and then a 4k cinema dslr... I am not a videographer so know very little about it. However, I do know the c300 is NOT 4k. If canon releases a 4k dslr, would it theoretically produce a better image than the c300 but with fewer cinema controls and options?

I just don't understand.

A pleasing images is not completely reliant on resolution. Take the Arri Alexa for example. It's only 2K, but is considered by many as the best overall picture for video; even when compared to the 4K Reds. The Codec plays are huge role in the IQ. Even though it's a good camera, the C-300 is very overpriced and under spec'd compared to Sony's similar offerings. No camera that is 4:2:2 8 bit should cost 16K. For that price it needs to be 10 bit to justify it.

With that said, early reports on the 5D3 are pretty disappointing for video. Many are seeing that it's still NOT true HD, but STILL an up-res'd 720p, which is crushingly sad considering there are $900 cameras with true 1080p HD.

But it's still a Pre-Production model, so hopefully Canon will do the right thing on the final release and have TRUE 1080p that the customers deserve. I'm thinking that the upcoming 4K VDSLR will have to be a home run for video, because the C-300 was not and it's starting to look like the 5D3 has been deliberately crippled, at least on the Pre-Production models.

But for the 5D3, I guess we will have to wait for the retail model and get some real tests for the video. I'm holding my breath till then. If it's not up-res'd 720p, I would gladly buy one and also the 4K VDSLR when that comes out. If not, I'm going to wait for the 4K camera.

What are you chatting about? Not true 1080 HD? Since when...?

All the current Canon's 5D2, 7D, etc... do NOT have true 1080p video. It's more like a 720p that is scaled up to 1080p. That is why the current Canons look soft when compared to video cameras with true 1080p like the C-300, Sony FS-100, Panasonic GH2 (which only costs $900).

That's one of the biggest complaints about the current Canon video and what we hoped Canon was going to fix. But it looks like from early shots, that the video is still scaled up 720p and pretty soft but at least without the moire and aliasing. Canon can easily do real 1080p, but they're just trying to protect their higher end cameras like the C-300 and probably the forthcoming 4K VDSLR

Now if the 4K Video DSLR does not have true 1080p, that would be really, really lame.

But like I said, this is only seeing test shots from the production 5D3. Hopefully the final market version will be real 1080p and nice and crispy like what everyone wants. On a cameras as expensive as the 5D3, it SHOULD have real 1080p.

Mmm, well that depends on what your definition of "true" 1080p is. If you define it as a 1920x1080 output that has a full R, G and B value to it then no, the 5D3 and other current Canons do not have this (neither would the GH2, though it's closer). What Canon will likely be doing is use binning on the 5D3 to get a smaller 1080p Bayer pattern that is going to be on the soft side since the binned pixels will probably overlap slightly. Resolved lines will probably not even be true 720p (which is closer to GH2 territory) but then again none of these cameras have ever been

How would 3x3 lead to a new Bayer pattern?? Why would they want that?
That seems incredibly hard to believe.
Granted it won't output RGB per 1920x1080 but that would be because of 4:2:2 (4:2:0?) codec.

[T3Heavyshop]

What's next?  The answer is not determined by camera specs, but by price point.

The next camera should be in the $2000-$2500 range to fill the gap.  This could be a 7D with slight improvements to justify the price bump.  A continuation of the 5DmII with or without changes to it to be an "entry level" FF.  Or, something new.

Whatever it is, don't expect any "leaks" until about a month after the 5D3 has been shipped.

[RichST]

How would 3x3 lead to a new Bayer pattern?? Why would they want that?
That seems incredibly hard to believe.
Granted it won't output RGB per 1920x1080 but that would be because of 4:2:2 (4:2:0?) codec.

I was thinking of something like this (it's only a guess):


I know it looks crazy but it's just an expansion of the 3x1 binning they're doing on the 5D2 to include the y-axis as well as the x. It's probably easy for still cameras to demosaic and process smaller Bayer patterns, after all that's what its processors are designed to do.

[matarasov]

Are we going to see 5DX this year?

[canartist]

All the current Canon's 5D2, 7D, etc... do NOT have true 1080p video. It's more like a 720p that is scaled up to 1080p.

I would appreciate some information/education about this. Why can't canon extract 1080p from 21mp? is there a technical limitation?

[El_Paparazzi]

Hey guys,
I tried the - EF 200-400 f/4L IS 1.4X TC on a 5D 3 in a French photography congress for pros today in Paris!
Amazing lens, great combo, not so heavy. The canon guys said it will be around 10K euros. Launch before the Olympics & availability around august.
Sorry. No pics I didn't knew it was so expected (& I shoot mainly with a Leica!)
Cheers

[jonathan7007]

Only two of the posts on this thread refer back to the hope that a very-high-megapixel camera was in development. This would have been better for my professional work, although the first results I saw on imaging-resource.com looked good from the camera that *was* introduced. (pre-production copy)

No mention of this unit in the "what comes next" post by CR. So it's likely to be some months or a year out. Perhaps a 3DMk1. Anyway, this leaves me with my trusty 5DMk2 and wondering whether to wait before buying a 5DMk3.

Certainly I would rather buy now *and* when the high MP body comes out. Canon is smiling...

jonathan7007