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Re: So frustrated with new 5DmkIII - returning it!
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2012, 08:20:33 PM »
I vote for micro focus adjustment. Just give it a try. One of my Canons front focuses by about an inch with all lenses at about 50mm. It's easy to fix but it is annoying knowing that it's not perfect out of the box.

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Re: So frustrated with new 5DmkIII - returning it!
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2012, 08:20:33 PM »

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Re: So frustrated with new 5DmkIII - returning it!
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2012, 08:23:29 PM »
Here's a pixel-level zoom of a straight-out-of-camera JPEG I took this afternoon. (If it works on here!)

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Re: So frustrated with new 5DmkIII - returning it!
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2012, 08:24:49 PM »
Closer in...
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Re: So frustrated with new 5DmkIII - returning it!
« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2012, 08:26:22 PM »
Uh, those seem to be magnified way beyond 100%

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Re: So frustrated with new 5DmkIII - returning it!
« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2012, 08:27:50 PM »
Yes, they are WAY beyond 100%.

The idea was to make it clear what was happening at individual pixel level.
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Re: So frustrated with new 5DmkIII - returning it!
« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2012, 08:27:57 PM »
I don't think the in-camera JPEGs are very good at this point either. I never shot JPEG on my Mk II, so I don't really know big the RAW vs. JPEG difference was in detail in good light, but with the Mk III the JPEGs loose a lot of detail compared to RAW images process with Adobe ACR 6.7 RC1 / DNG convertor. I think that Canon has a RAW processing problem in both the DPP software and the camera firmware. The Adobe processed RAWs show the detail is there. I've been looking at this a lot and would be glad to take a look at one of your RAW files compared to mine. You can sign up for a free dropbox.com account and upload it to your Public folder to share. You can do it all through their website if you don't want to install their software. My gmail address is the same as my username here.
I posted these raw comparisons in a couple of other threads
https://rapidshare.com/files/265985045/045C0110.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/2949940123/IMG_8491.CR2

I feel the 5D2 is sharper still
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Re: So frustrated with new 5DmkIII - returning it!
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2012, 08:28:23 PM »
Me too!  I was having such high hopes!  Hopefully a different unit will be better!
I'm very keen to hear how you new unit goes because so far I'm concerned about the IQ of the images too
I'll probably wait unti proper raw converters are out before i look at taking it back
I think canon need to get a firmware update out STAT that fixes the horrid in camera jpeg processing too
I think i'd be happier with jpegs out of a rebel than this thing puts out

Ouch. Sounds like your 5DIII is performing like a dud so far. What specifically about the IQ is so bad? If the jpegs look worse than a Rebel, I'm hoping I'm not in for disappointment when my 5DIII shows up this week.

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Re: So frustrated with new 5DmkIII - returning it!
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2012, 08:28:23 PM »

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Re: So frustrated with new 5DmkIII - returning it!
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2012, 08:32:09 PM »
thanks for emailing those jpgs fleetie!

but I feel your jpg processing is about on par with mine (vs how sharp the 5D2 is)
definately something funky with the in camera processing on these things IMO
 
at f8 the edges of those petals would be razor crisp on the 5D2

heres hoping there are some early firmware updates coming up
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Re: So frustrated with new 5DmkIII - returning it!
« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2012, 08:35:59 PM »
thanks for emailing those jpgs fleetie!

but I feel your jpg processing is about on par with mine (vs how sharp the 5D2 is)
definately something funky with the in camera processing on these things IMO
 
at f8 the edges of those petals would be razor crisp on the 5D2

heres hoping there are some early firmware updates coming up

Well, ok. But I think they're ok. Considering they've been de-mosaiced, I think they're ok.

But keep us informed of your progress, cos we'd all like to know if there is something that can be done to make the pics even better.
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Re: So frustrated with new 5DmkIII - returning it!
« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2012, 08:36:44 PM »
@JR: It sounds like your lens(es) and camera body may be out of alignment. Thats not really all that uncommon (all manufactured equipment has to be manufactured within certain tolerances, and when you have broadly compatible interchangeable parts, tolerances usually have to be loosened to a greater degree than would be ideal), and the primary reason most higher grade cameras like the 5D III include lens micro adjustment features. You may have a general adjustment problem, or it may be lens specific. The 5D III supports adjusting for both cases, however by default micro adjustment applies globally.

I would try micro adjusting your lens+camera combinations and see if that improves your results. You will need a calibration chart or device. For a chart, you might try this one: http://regex.info/blog/photo-tech/focus-chart (this site also includes very detailed instructions on how to print and use the chart.) If you really want to go all out and get things extremely precise, you should probably get a LensAlign device: http://michaeltapesdesign.com/lensalign.html. Canon cameras allow you to micro adjust per-lens, and I think you can store up to around 20 lens micro adjustment profiles. The camera will automatically select the right profile for a given lens when that lens is attached (I am not sure if that works with third-party lenses or not...Canon lenses are microchipped with a bunch of statistical information.)

Hopefully micro adjust will help, and prevent you from having to return your camera (and incur all that extra shipping cost and who knows what other costs.)


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Re: So frustrated with new 5DmkIII - returning it!
« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2012, 08:39:29 PM »
I posted these raw comparisons in a couple of other threads
https://rapidshare.com/files/265985045/045C0110.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/2949940123/IMG_8491.CR2

I feel the 5D2 is sharper still

I saw these posted earlier but didn't look at them as closely as I did today. They don't look too bad, although they are on the soft side. They did sharpen up nicely with a subtle unsharp mask, though. Maybe my standards are just low :)

It sounds like the jpegs are real turds, though. Can anyone put up some sample jpegs? I'd like to see how bad the in-camera processing is.

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Re: So frustrated with new 5DmkIII - returning it!
« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2012, 08:41:12 PM »
Have you tried focusing using Live View?

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Re: So frustrated with new 5DmkIII - returning it!
« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2012, 08:48:11 PM »
Everyone, take a look here before assuming its a camera issue...seems DPP may be the problem...
http://www.The-Digital-Picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-III-DSLR-Camera-Review.aspx

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Re: So frustrated with new 5DmkIII - returning it!
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Re: So frustrated with new 5DmkIII - returning it!
« Reply #28 on: March 25, 2012, 08:48:26 PM »
Here is a quick screenshot from Aperture. I was shooting RAW+JPEG. Photo on left is in-camera JPEG (one of the better ones) and photo on right is CR2 converted to DNG. Notice the missing detail in the white petals.

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Re: So frustrated with new 5DmkIII - returning it!
« Reply #29 on: March 25, 2012, 08:52:08 PM »


1- ISO 100-400 is not better than my 5DmkII and actually at ISO 400 where a lot of my picture are taking with a flash I actually see more noise - ok I know the official RAW converter are not out yet so I was ready to live it until final software come out BUT:  ...

 

Wow, this is the 2nd time I have heard that 5D3's ISO 800 noise is better than that of ISO 400. See:

http://www.michaelthemaven.com/?postID=2262&canon-5diii-vs-5dii-vs-7d-high-iso-noise-tests

Sounds like 5d3's latest software noise reduction algorithm definitely kicks in on or before ISO 800, making jpg
noise look great compared to 5d2.  As a 5d2 owner, I hope we can use the new DPP to do the same noise reduction as the 5d3, making 5d2's high ISO performance even better...  :)

Also heard that 5d3's sensor has banding noise improved compared to 5d2. If so, with the same NR engine in the new DPP, one should be able to push 5d3 higher in ISO than 5d2.


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Re: So frustrated with new 5DmkIII - returning it!
« Reply #29 on: March 25, 2012, 08:52:08 PM »