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Re: Canon 5D MarkIII & 1Dx - 1080p/60fps???
« Reply #30 on: April 22, 2012, 01:07:03 PM »
I believe the sensor will overheat. 1dc has better sensor cooling.

It will but I think because of 4k video and not 60fps 1080p :) could be wrong on this

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Re: Canon 5D MarkIII & 1Dx - 1080p/60fps???
« Reply #30 on: April 22, 2012, 01:07:03 PM »

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« Reply #31 on: April 22, 2012, 02:15:06 PM »
seriously id settle for 48p, why has 60p become such fascination?
coming from shooting film, we would normally use frame rates like 36fps, 40fps and 48fps.
if we wanted real slow motion we would bring in a special mos camera and shoot 96 or 120fps.
60fps was never a go to frame rate...
im sure our 5d's are capable of 40-48fps.
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Re: Canon 5D MarkIII & 1Dx - 1080p/60fps???
« Reply #32 on: April 22, 2012, 03:07:02 PM »
There is absolutely no reason the Canon 5D MkIII should not be able to record 1080p @ 60fps. The Digic V has sufficient processing power. 1080/60p would most likely have to be limited to IPB compression though, as ALL-I would require a sustained write speed of about 23MB/sec.

Has anyone taken a look at the Sony a77?

It's a $1400 body with a 24.3MP sensor.
It records 1080/60p/60i/30p/24p and does so with an inferior processor to the 5D3.

It's simply a limitation of firmware. Canon purposely crippled the camera to protect their higher end models (which most considering the 5D3 can't afford anyway). It's not like people in the professional market would stop buying C300s, C500s, and 1DCs if the 5D had more advanced video features. The pros are still going to buy the dedicated cinema cameras for the expandability, advanced manual controls, and I/O features (HD-SDI, XLR, Genlock, Timecode).

And yes, I realize the 5D3 is a photo camera first, but 1080/60p is not something that would handicap, or take away from its photo abilities. It wouldn't even cost extra!

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Re: Canon 5D MarkIII & 1Dx - 1080p/60fps???
« Reply #33 on: April 22, 2012, 03:16:25 PM »
There is absolutely no reason the Canon 5D MkIII should not be able to record 1080p @ 60fps. The Digic V has sufficient processing power. 1080/60p would most likely have to be limited to IPB compression though, as ALL-I would require a sustained write speed of about 23MB/sec.

Has anyone taken a look at the Sony a77?

It's a $1400 body with a 24.3MP sensor.
It records 1080/60p/60i/30p/24p and does so with an inferior processor to the 5D3.

It's simply a limitation of firmware. Canon purposely crippled the camera to protect their higher end models (which most considering the 5D3 can't afford anyway). It's not like people in the professional market would stop buying C300s, C500s, and 1DCs if the 5D had more advanced video features. The pros are still going to buy the dedicated cinema cameras for the expandability, advanced manual controls, and I/O features (HD-SDI, XLR, Genlock, Timecode).

And yes, I realize the 5D3 is a photo camera first, but 1080/60p is not something that would handicap, or take away from its photo abilities. It wouldn't even cost extra!

Datarate wise, I believe 5D3 can handle 1080/60p without any problem, 1D C records 1080/60p at 180Mbit ALL-I, same can be achieved in 5D3, the only issue would be sensor overheat, a friend from Japan told me that 1D C internal was redesigned completely to cope with the immense heat and dataflow of 4K recording.

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Re: Canon 5D MarkIII & 1Dx - 1080p/60fps???
« Reply #34 on: April 22, 2012, 05:28:43 PM »
seriously id settle for 48p, why has 60p become such fascination?
coming from shooting film, we would normally use frame rates like 36fps, 40fps and 48fps.
if we wanted real slow motion we would bring in a special mos camera and shoot 96 or 120fps.
60fps was never a go to frame rate...
im sure our 5d's are capable of 40-48fps.

not a lot of people "come from shooting film". and not a lot of people go out filming slo-mos with special cameras...

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« Reply #35 on: April 23, 2012, 09:31:05 AM »
Canon is getting lazy and greedy.  First signs of  an empire on decline. They should have woken up when the D7000 came... but they were too drunk on the sales of the 7D/5dii. Those cams were game changers and ahead of their times.... the 5diii was a very small improvement (leaving AF aside) over the 5dii, I don't shoot video, but giving people RAW out/ 1080p @ 60 would have kept in track with how far ahead the 5d2 was in it's time. Sadly they got greedy, priced it too high and crippled it... the Market will teach them soon.

I hope ML can come up with a "fix" for the 5d3 like they fixed the 5d2... For the sake of all those that were loyal to Canon.

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Re: Canon 5D MarkIII & 1Dx - 1080p/60fps???
« Reply #36 on: April 24, 2012, 02:39:43 PM »
Canon is getting lazy and greedy.  First signs of  an empire on decline. They should have woken up when the D7000 came... but they were too drunk on the sales of the 7D/5dii. Those cams were game changers and ahead of their times.... the 5diii was a very small improvement (leaving AF aside) over the 5dii, I don't shoot video, but giving people RAW out/ 1080p @ 60 would have kept in track with how far ahead the 5d2 was in it's time. Sadly they got greedy, priced it too high and crippled it... the Market will teach them soon.

I hope ML can come up with a "fix" for the 5d3 like they fixed the 5d2... For the sake of all those that were loyal to Canon.


It is all marketing, or you can can call it greedy.  I would call it st*!!..   
CANON CAN DOIT!  They did it for 7D three years ago, ok it is only 18MP at 50 and 60 fps at 1280 x 720.

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« Reply #37 on: April 26, 2012, 01:06:06 AM »
seriously id settle for 48p, why has 60p become such fascination?
coming from shooting film, we would normally use frame rates like 36fps, 40fps and 48fps.
if we wanted real slow motion we would bring in a special mos camera and shoot 96 or 120fps.
60fps was never a go to frame rate...
im sure our 5d's are capable of 40-48fps.


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Re: Canon 5D MarkIII & 1Dx - 1080p/60fps???
« Reply #38 on: April 26, 2012, 04:33:01 AM »
Can't Canon release a firmware that can give the 5D Mark III 1080p 60fps?

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« Reply #39 on: April 26, 2012, 01:02:43 PM »
Can't Canon release a firmware that can give the 5D Mark III 1080p 60fps?

Ofcourse they can... but then what will Magic lantern guys do after that, sit on their rears and do nothing?   ;)
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Re: Canon 5D MarkIII & 1Dx - 1080p/60fps???
« Reply #40 on: April 11, 2014, 07:12:51 PM »
I have been considering buying the 5d MarkIII, but the only thing holding me back is the lack of 1080p/60fps. I have a 5d mkii and canon glass and equipment. I'm thinking about just buying a d3300 with a 50mm lens to get the 1080p/60fps, or maybe the new Sony A7s which will probably be less than the 5dmkiii and have 4k capability with all the full hd frame rates. It's also a full frame camera.
I really like Canon, but I can't justify paying over 3000 for a camera that does not have something it definitely should. Hope they upgrade the firmware to include 60fps before I buy something else.

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Re: Canon 5D MarkIII & 1Dx - 1080p/60fps???
« Reply #41 on: April 14, 2014, 02:34:07 PM »
the 5diii was a very small improvement (leaving AF aside) over the 5dii.

Sorry, i find that exceedingly funny. Leaving aside the paramount major upgrade, it's a small improvement. That's like complaining that setting aside the hybrid engine, the hybrid version of a car is a minor upgrade over the gas one.
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Re: Canon 5D MarkIII & 1Dx - 1080p/60fps???
« Reply #42 on: April 23, 2014, 02:38:14 PM »
I have been considering buying the 5d MarkIII, but the only thing holding me back is the lack of 1080p/60fps. I have a 5d mkii and canon glass and equipment. I'm thinking about just buying a d3300 with a 50mm lens to get the 1080p/60fps, or maybe the new Sony A7s which will probably be less than the 5dmkiii and have 4k capability with all the full hd frame rates. It's also a full frame camera.
I really like Canon, but I can't justify paying over 3000 for a camera that does not have something it definitely should. Hope they upgrade the firmware to include 60fps before I buy something else.

You are free to buy whatever you want. There's no need to stick with Canon's offerings if you think you've found a product made by another manufacturer that better meets your requirements.
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« Reply #43 on: April 23, 2014, 07:51:09 PM »
There is absolutely no reason the Canon 5D MkIII should not be able to record 1080p @ 60fps. The Digic V has sufficient processing power. 1080/60p would most likely have to be limited to IPB compression though, as ALL-I would require a sustained write speed of about 23MB/sec.

Has anyone taken a look at the Sony a77?

It's a $1400 body with a 24.3MP sensor.
It records 1080/60p/60i/30p/24p and does so with an inferior processor to the 5D3.

It's simply a limitation of firmware. Canon purposely crippled the camera to protect their higher end models (which most considering the 5D3 can't afford anyway). It's not like people in the professional market would stop buying C300s, C500s, and 1DCs if the 5D had more advanced video features. The pros are still going to buy the dedicated cinema cameras for the expandability, advanced manual controls, and I/O features (HD-SDI, XLR, Genlock, Timecode).

And yes, I realize the 5D3 is a photo camera first, but 1080/60p is not something that would handicap, or take away from its photo abilities. It wouldn't even cost extra!

There is a reason. The 5D is designed to use the hardware encoder in the DIGIC 5 chip, and that encoder does not do H.264 60p. If you want hardware encoding at 60p you need the DIGIC 6 or DIGIC DV 4 chips, which the 5D3 does not have.

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Re: Canon 5D MarkIII & 1Dx - 1080p/60fps???
« Reply #43 on: April 23, 2014, 07:51:09 PM »