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The 18mp sensor on the 650d will be...

... exactly the same as on the 7d,60d,550d,600d
26 (56.5%)
... a minor upgrade from the well-known version
19 (41.3%)
... a major upgrade in noise and/or dynamic range
1 (2.2%)

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Voting closed: June 09, 2012, 04:04:02 AM

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What will the 650d sensor be like?
« on: June 06, 2012, 04:04:02 AM »
... edit: Voting locked - the specs are out! And I have to admit I was semi-wrong, there is indeed a minor upgrade with the phase detect af pixels on the sensor, though this is likely not to raise the iq over the well-known 18mp legacy sensor with the "multi image shot" noise reduction mode for jpeg.

So basically "the same sensor" was the correct correct prediction, one point for the Nikon trolls with their big money Sony tech - but Canon will keep coming and show them all! Or will they?
« Last Edit: June 08, 2012, 02:49:21 AM by Marsu42 »

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What will the 650d sensor be like?
« on: June 06, 2012, 04:04:02 AM »

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Re: What will the 650d sensor be like?
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2012, 08:08:20 AM »
well if i could decide i would like to have the latest sony sensors tech in canon cameras... of course that is an utopic wish.

but i guess it will be the same old 18 MP sensor with some video improvements.

the sad thing is i can not even bothered to feel excited about a REBEL release anymore.
feels like olympus PEN updates.... same sensor tech and some updates i don´t care about.

video...bah.... filters and stuff.... bah.
better AF.. well nice... but not enough to sell my 550D backup body and buy a new camera.

« Last Edit: June 06, 2012, 08:15:58 AM by Astro »

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Re: What will the 650d sensor be like?
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2012, 08:17:27 AM »
The same 7D sensor I'd guess, the other specs seem like they'll be ebough to market the camera on, espeically the xxD AF being shifted down which takes it above the D3200 in that reguard.

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Re: What will the 650d sensor be like?
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2012, 08:52:19 AM »
The usual Canon sensor... I don't believe they woke up yet in the sensor department.
But it would be refreshing and give hope to FF users if they did!

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Re: What will the 650d sensor be like?
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2012, 09:19:57 AM »
I think the only upgrades this year will be digic 5 and the AF and lens. Next year would get the 70d sensor.
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Re: What will the 650d sensor be like?
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2012, 09:36:31 AM »
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I think the only upgrades this year will be digic 5 and the AF and lens. Next year would get the 70d sensor.

Even if thats the case, thats 3 good upgrades.  A sensor is nothing without a processor, so the same sensor with a digic 4, or the same sensor with the digic 5? 

Digic 5 please.

And if there is a new sensor as well, all the better.

New lens?  Hmm.  Canons kit lenses are worthy but dull.  Would love to see a brave move like a switchable IS (a soft IS mode for video) and who knows, maybe even a servo zoom (been done before on old 35-80)

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Re: What will the 650d sensor be like?
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2012, 09:45:19 AM »
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I think the only upgrades this year will be digic 5 and the AF and lens. Next year would get the 70d sensor.

Even if thats the case, thats 3 good upgrades.  A sensor is nothing without a processor, so the same sensor with a digic 4, or the same sensor with the digic 5? 

and what for?

it´s relative...

they will sure put a brake on the digic 5 so he will not output at full speed.
i don´t shoot JPG so better NR and co. is wasted on me.

im pretty sure the digic 4 would be good enough for the 650D and much of the digic 5 power is not even utilized.
so i guess digic 5 is just for the featurelist.




« Last Edit: June 06, 2012, 09:51:47 AM by Astro »

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Re: What will the 650d sensor be like?
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2012, 09:45:19 AM »

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Re: What will the 650d sensor be like?
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2012, 10:18:25 AM »
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and what for?

For better video compression, for maybe even hdmi out at a decent resolution. 
I use my 7D and T3i a lot for video.  So better high iso NR would be good.

For better AF, especially if there are more cross type points.

There seems to be a digic 5 and a digic 5+, I would guess the x0D's will get the '+'.


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Re: What will the 650d sensor be like?
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2012, 10:23:50 AM »
The same 18MP sensor as the 600D and 550D, but probably 9 (all cross-type) AF points.

Perhaps a half-stop better in ISO performance with the new Digic-5, plus slightly better fps.

Dual SD cards might be a nice enhancement, especially for video shooters.

Also manual audio controls (avoid AGC issues), a headphone monitoring socket (like new 5D3) would not cost much but would be a big marketing feature for enthusiast DSLR HD video shooters.

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Re: What will the 650d sensor be like?
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2012, 10:34:07 AM »
probably just a processor update can bring some video improvements:
* no more aliasing/moire, like in the 5D3
* IPB and all-I codecs, like the 5D3
* heavy NR applied by default and no-matter-what, 5D3-like but just not so high (clean ISO 3200?)

then it would be a great upgrade for video shooters

add AF microadjustment, and it's a great upgrade for stills shooters too (and yes: that feature should be present in absolutely every DSLR: it costs basically nothing, and anyone using AF and half-decent lenses just shouldn't touch a camera that doesn't have it)

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Re: What will the 650d sensor be like?
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2012, 10:47:34 AM »
add AF microadjustment, and it's a great upgrade for stills shooters too (and yes: that feature should be present in absolutely every DSLR: it costs basically nothing, and anyone using AF and half-decent lenses just shouldn't touch a camera that doesn't have it)

prime lenses.

it´s pretty useless for zooms.

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Re: What will the 650d sensor be like?
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2012, 10:52:48 AM »
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Also manual audio controls (avoid AGC issues)

Already present on most models launched since 7D, but frustratingly not 7D itself - 60D, 600D, 5D3, 1DIV, 1DX.

Hardly a new feature and can't see a backwards step to not featuring it.

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Re: What will the 650d sensor be like?
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2012, 10:53:24 AM »
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and what for?

For better video compression, for maybe even hdmi out at a decent resolution. 


yeah video.... how exciting.   ::)

that is why i wrote "relative".
for video shooter the digic 5 may show some improvements.
to be honest, i tend to forget that because im not intersted in video at all.

but i don´t see the benefit of a digic 5 for still shooters in a rebel body.
the digic 4 should have enough (still photography) power for such a 650D body, i don´t think canon will make it a speed beast.  ;)

 
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Re: What will the 650d sensor be like?
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Re: What will the 650d sensor be like?
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2012, 10:57:46 AM »
We stuck in a digic 5 Processor and guess what it does? Virtually nothing but we can give it some new badges.

Don't disappoint canon!

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Re: What will the 650d sensor be like?
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2012, 10:58:15 AM »
If the earlier rumour of 18MP sensor comes true, I would imagine it is exactly the same sensor we've seen before. If they make a new sensor, it wouldn't be 18MP.
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