Any actual photographers out there?

[expatinasia]

I agree with some of the comments. I also feel there is a reasonable amount of immaturity, which perhaps addresses some of the issues that people have made above.

Perhaps if we had our real age next to our user names we could be more forgiving of some of the silly and often rather inflammatory comments.

I have come across similar in other forums, and I was wondering why. Worked out most of the members posting were students aged 15-25/30! Still very young in my eyes...

[robin]

DON'T FEED THE TROLS!

[bdunbar79]

The OP has a point. Hardly anyone seems to check their "facts." I am guilty of that, too, sometimes repeating what I think I "know" and never finding links to back it up / explain to others so they can understand and not just take my word for it. For instance, people still say things like bits are stops of dynamic range. If that was true, then both the D800 and 5D3 would have exactly 14 stops of DR. Perhaps we should all start including high quality links with our opinions, the way that the world wide web was designed to work, which is now become just the internet.

As far as quality of images goes, I for one am never going to turn my best images over to canonrumors.com even if the TOS says they are still mine. I think that it still constitutes publishing them, and would interfere with the legalese of how I am paid. I don't want to violate any fine print because it could come back to bite me.

And at my age and position in life I feel like it's very immature for me to post at all on canonrumors. If I just posted one post, like Aldo, it would probably represent somebody who has more self-control and maturity. So I don't count Aldo's "newness" of having 1 post against him. It could just show that he is 107 times wiser than I am. But I just enjoy acting like a teenager after almost forgetting how.

Now old people tend to lose track of their topic, and I'm sorry if I do that now. But in fact, I can't help it if one thought leads to another. The fact is that Canonrumors is the first forum that I've participated in for almost ten years, because other forums where I tried to contribute--math, photography, computer programming--always seemed to degenerate into people trying to impress one another; and the sites *almost* always seemed to degenerate into profit-making machines rather than doing any work to earn the visits of their audience.

Warning: heresy against Canon Rumors In this paragraph I am going to commit the heresy of criticizing the powers that be. Mods, feel free to delete this paragraph... here goes. For an example of what I was saying above about good websites become profit making machines rather than serving their visitors, has anyone noticed that admin seems to be AWOL about further information the 1D X even though he now has it? And yet he has taken the time to post links to a very lukewarm deal on the 7D and promoting it like it was the greatest deal ever. (I know it is just lukewarm because just this month I added a fifth 7D to my inventory for $1149 including the 28-135mm lens with a U.S. warranty, and it was shipped instantly and in my hands the next day from an authorized dealer. Other well-known price points on 7Ds have included several instances of the body only for $1,100. So for the admin to advertise the "body package deal" for $1,349 was simple commercialism just like Ken Rockwell does.) I for one was extremely disappointed with the 7D body only "package" advertisement, which at that price was not doing a service to any visitors to Canon Rumors, and have also been disappointed by many similar posts to "deals" rather than the time to provide good info to us about products. I know that the admin is providing this entire site to us out of his good will, so I do appreciate that--however, the good will equation is starting to become a profit equation now that the website has become so popular. I hope that the admin can resist the temptation of the "love of money" because that will be the demise of this website and the end of its popularity.

And the answer is..............No

[Richard8971]

Wow.... 

[Imagination_landB]

Im am myself an enthusiast and I learn a lot here. and even if people are wrong about something they're not here to be  insulted or to be pretentious, they are here for the love of taking pictures and to add some knowledge or giving people some of their own knowledge, this is a rumor site to know everything little thing about future canon stuff,  and it's wonderful as it is. these are forums, if you don't like those "amateurs work" just tell them by giving constuctive comments.And YES there are photographers. (sorry english is not my first language) Help us by showing  your work

[victorwol]

I wonder to which group you belong.. The ones that do not know anything and post the best they can do, or the ones that knows a lot and don't need to show it off? Usually knowledgeable people don't go around showing it off.. Knowledge usually comes with experience, experience comes with time, and with time people learn to respect others..  Even if they are not as good as you..... think you are...

[birdman]

I would have to say, NO, I am obviously not a Professional Photographer - - one whom earns revenue off their photography. That is why I like landscape shooting so much....because I don't need any criticisms or critique. I know what looks good, and like any art - - photography is very SUBJECTIVE.

If most of the people on here were getting paid enough to justify spending less time in forums, then how could we ever answer asinine/trollish/ignorant/controversial/rude/garbage questions such as the one you posed?

I'm trying to spend less time reading forums & more time focusing on other aspects of my life....like my health, family, and primary career. But this site is fun and conversation is light (or it needs to be). That's the great aspect of being a human being: We're given mental abilities to focus on different objects or subjects. You ought to try it, OP.  It's nice. 

[dirtcastle]

One of the great things about photography is that people of minimal artistic talent or experience can have a great time doing it for very little (or no) money. It's like softball... you don't need to be good or take it seriously to have fun.

[Christian_Stella]

I agree with some of the comments. I also feel there is a reasonable amount of immaturity, which perhaps addresses some of the issues that people have made above.

Perhaps if we had our real age next to our user names we could be more forgiving of some of the silly and often rather inflammatory comments.

I have come across similar in other forums, and I was wondering why. Worked out most of the members posting were students aged 15-25/30! Still very young in my eyes...

Age has nothing to do with it. For every young student there is a middle aged man trying to get back into photography in the digital age. There are people here of all ages and experience levels.

I am 27 years old and have been running a $100k+ a year food photography business for four years. The last (released) cookbook I photographed is the second highest selling cookbook of the year to date (according to Nielson Bookscan and Publisher's Weekly).  To date, cookbooks I photographed (and designed) have sold over a million copies.

But I still think I know crap about photography... That's why I'm here. I'm critical of everything I do and want to get better.  There are people here that know a heck of a lot more than me, skill wise... And there are people here that know a heck of a lot more about the tech. I am equally interested in both because you need not only a foundation, but one that is future-proof as new tech emerges.

[And-Rew]

The OP point will always be valid because photography is such a subjective activity!

[samkatz]

This website is called Canon Rumors...So I come here to find out about........rumors relating to Canon.

The owner can make all the $$ he wants to the way website owners do...linking ad content to editorial content.  If I don't like it, I can leave.  As far as the level and quality of info provided, again, it's not called Canon Facts, How to Buy A Canon, or the Canon Bible.  Yet, it's still one of the most entertaining sites around, I find I'm spending more time here than on dprerview.

As far as the level of quality of the photos posted: See line one of this post.  I personally learn the "artistic side" by going to specific books, museums or websites to see images published by specific photographers and artists who I have learned to admire.  I see a lot of other good photos in my day to day web travels but have zero expectation of seeing them here. That doesn't mean that members of this forum and other forums don't post great shots....it has no bearing on whether I visit it.  All I want from this site are......Canon Rumors.

[NotABunny]

The OP point will always be valid because photography is such a subjective activity!

I thought that's why his point is *invalid*. Since photography is a form of art and art is subjective (more exactly, subjective is the reason why a work of art pleases or has some influence on viewers), the OP should first explain what high quality photography means.

Also, this forum is not a portfolio exhibition, it's just a forum (as in a place where people talk).

[Tov]

I turn the dialy thing on top of this big, black box to the green square thingy and press the little button on top with my finger.  There's this clicky sound, and I see a picture on the back of the box.  I haven't figured out why pressing the little zoom in/out buttons on the back doesn't zoom the big lens like it does on every other camera I've used, you'd think with a big lens like that it would work right.  Also, can someone tell me how to get that little picture it shows me on the back onto my Facebook page?

Lol. What r you going to do when that 1Dx black box arrives, it doesnt have a green square thingy?

[And-Rew]

The OP point will always be valid because photography is such a subjective activity!

I thought that's why his point is *invalid*. Since photography is a form of art and art is subjective (more exactly, subjective is the reason why a work of art pleases or has some influence on viewers), the OP should first explain what high quality photography means.

Also, this forum is not a portfolio exhibition, it's just a forum (as in a place where people talk).

And there we have a perfect example of subjective - your interpretation on the thread is the opposite to mine 

[troy19]

Love this site and the various topics that seem to get people hot under the collar. But am amazed at the rather low level of knowledge out there on the subject of photography and the poor quality of work being showcased in these forums. Is it just me or do others agree?

Show us some of your marvelous knowledge, and post some images.  Your first time post did not quite manage to convince.

I didn't think, the OP wanted to offend someone, I think he is just asking, if others see it the same way. Maybe it would have been helpful if he gave an example of what he thinks is poor quality.

Maybe we can agree when saying there's a great variety of image quality.

I would rate myself as a poor photographer, but know pretty well the difference between a good and a poor image. IMO there's no need to be a good Photographer to discuss others images.