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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #75 on: July 16, 2012, 12:44:59 PM »
Back on track. Like others have mentioned, I think this is a solid upgrade for people using the 60D or lower and are wanting to get into a FF. Not really an upgrade for the 5DII users, but it's not meant to be.

Another point to mention is that the additional plastic would be to minimize cost.  Even though newer cameras are surpassing the 5DII, the cost to manufacture a 5DII is not going down.  2000-2200 might be the floor where making the 5DII is profitable or not.  If it comes out now with 5DIIs still in the retail channels, then it might not be an obvious win.  But how about in a year or two when the 5DII is out of production, and the price for this drops to 1600-1700?  That would lower the price of entry to the FF club, which is a win for a lot of people.

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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #75 on: July 16, 2012, 12:44:59 PM »

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« Reply #76 on: July 16, 2012, 12:46:28 PM »

Another point to mention is that the additional plastic would be to minimize cost.  Even though newer cameras are surpassing the 5DII, the cost to manufacture a 5DII is not going down.  2000-2200 might be the floor where making the 5DII is profitable or not.  If it comes out now with 5DIIs still in the retail channels, then it might not be an obvious win.  But how about in a year or two when the 5DII is out of production, and the price for this drops to 1600-1700?  That would lower the price of entry to the FF club, which is a win for a lot of people.

but then d600 is better specs, probably plastic build as well but CHEAPER!

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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #77 on: July 16, 2012, 01:01:42 PM »
This will be my next camera as long as its sub 2000$. 19 crops type AF points like the 7D is more than enough for me.

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« Reply #78 on: July 16, 2012, 01:04:00 PM »

but then d600 is better specs, probably plastic build as well but CHEAPER!

I would wait until we see back to back tests before jumping to conclusions

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« Reply #79 on: July 16, 2012, 01:09:07 PM »
I wonder what they'll call it.

A single-digit name is dictated by the build, not the sensor size, in which case this body would break with tradition if it were called, say, a 6D. But if not a single-digit name, then what could it be called?


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« Reply #80 on: July 16, 2012, 01:10:35 PM »
I wonder what they'll call it.

A single-digit name is dictated by the build, not the sensor size, in which case this body would break with tradition if it were called, say, a 6D. But if not a single-digit name, then what could it be called?

How about the 5D mark II N?

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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #81 on: July 16, 2012, 01:14:53 PM »
the D600 seems to be BIT FOR BIT the better camera and the better deal.

2012 is sure not canons year. :(

Exactly my thoughts. I'm starting to think my next camera might actually be a Nikon if this trend keeps up. I'm going to wait until/if they announce the 7D mark2 before I make any decisions though. Right now Nikon simply gives better specs for less money. I'm not THAT invested in lenses yet so I guess I'll have to see.


Exactly. This just seems like a bad idea (and a bad year) all around for Canon. Why would anyone buy this camera when they could have a weather sealed 5D Mark II or possibly the new Nikon D600. It just seems like Canon is just sleeping through 2012.
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« Reply #81 on: July 16, 2012, 01:14:53 PM »

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« Reply #82 on: July 16, 2012, 01:17:20 PM »

 this is a combination of a series of exposures using a method developed in consultation with the Cambridge Signal Processing Lab. I do consulting for a few camera review websites to develop testing methods and put this together for a project

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« Reply #83 on: July 16, 2012, 01:17:33 PM »
I apologize for my post. 

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« Reply #84 on: July 16, 2012, 01:20:04 PM »
Why would anyone buy this camera when they could have a weather sealed 5D Mark II...

I'd assume that Canon will discontinue selling new 5DII's at the time they release this new camera (assuming they do release it).  Then it becomes the obviuos choice, unless one is willing to buy used.  But wait, you say, many retailers will still have 5DII stock...  Perhaps, just as many have the now-discontinued 24-70L in stock...and are charging an arm and a leg for it.
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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #85 on: July 16, 2012, 01:20:08 PM »
I wonder what they'll call it.

A single-digit name is dictated by the build, not the sensor size, in which case this body would break with tradition if it were called, say, a 6D. But if not a single-digit name, then what could it be called?

They should call it 9-and-3/4-D (like in Harry Potter), its close to 10D but not a 10D :-D

...anyway, if 22 mpx sensor, ISO 100-25600 (dont need 51600 native) and 19 points AF comes true then Im fully in !  ;) I want to buy FF, can hold off with purchase (Ive started looking at Mk II because Mk III price is too much) - AF improvment will be welcome. Maybe Canon will re-use 1D-X sensor and cripple it down a bit (in terms of some native ISO limit or so).


But I wonder what "compatible with STM lenses" means - I doubt that there will be new FF sensor with phace detection...forgive me if Im too sceptic.
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« Reply #86 on: July 16, 2012, 01:21:40 PM »
the D600 seems to be BIT FOR BIT the better camera and the better deal.

2012 is sure not canons year. :(

Exactly my thoughts. I'm starting to think my next camera might actually be a Nikon if this trend keeps up. I'm going to wait until/if they announce the 7D mark2 before I make any decisions though. Right now Nikon simply gives better specs for less money. I'm not THAT invested in lenses yet so I guess I'll have to see.


Exactly. This just seems like a bad idea (and a bad year) all around for Canon. Why would anyone buy this camera when they could have a weather sealed 5D Mark II or possibly the new Nikon D600. It just seems like Canon is just sleeping through 2012.

did you not read what others wrote?

canon is doing the perfect thing!
this new camera is a perfect. 
it´s way better then the D600 (ok if not then it´s at least a canon and you can use your L glas).

 
don´t write such stuff or you get labeld an amateur with no experience....

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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #87 on: July 16, 2012, 01:25:43 PM »



I've used both 5DII and 5DIII in the studio and within a studio environment I can find literally NO difference in the cameras, the upgraded AF system is useless since I shoot manual focus 99% of the time and the 5DII AF , however ancient, is still perfectly adequate. This is why I have not upgraded to 5DIII - it's almost a pointless upgrade for studio shooters - definitely pointless given the price AND the fact that the 5DII gives identical results. Currently, if I were to upgrade, the only way to go is medium format but still the 5DII is going to be a workhorse for a few more years I think - It's a bloody fantastic camera.
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As to the sensor, you only need take a dark frame from each and boost it 3 EV in processing to see the difference. 

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« Reply #88 on: July 16, 2012, 01:28:36 PM »
Quote from: Mt Spokane Photography link=topic=8046.msg146815#msg146815

As to the sensor, you only need take a dark frame from each and boost it 3 EV in processing to see the difference.

but then you should include the new sony sensor in the D800 also. ;)

i still see some issues with the 5D MK3 sensor, cross-hatch banding, they have not 100% fixed.
 


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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #89 on: July 16, 2012, 01:30:15 PM »
Am I good or what? Exactly what I've been predicting for months now. You can expect the 70D to have pretty much the same specs, with an APS-C sensor.

7DII will be essentially the 5DIII with an APS-C sensor. It's all perfectly logical and predictable.

What's with all the whining? Did you really expect to get all the 5DIII features for half the price? If you think Nikon is better, get a Nikon. That's how the marketplace works.

Personally, I like these specs. Plenty of room to differentiate the 70D and this model from the 7DII and the 5DIII.

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Yep, yep, yep. "...perfectly logical and predictable" -- when you understand marketing. The marketplace is their sandbox; you step into it, you use the toys they put there. If you like the toys in the other corner better, so be it -- they'll change their toys if it gets too unbalanced. Good to remember they're the only ones who really know where that tipping point is.

The most fascinating thing for me is Canon seems to have drawn a line, somewhere around $2500 USD. Below that is the real "mass market," so to speak. Above it are businesses (who can write off higher priced items) and the overstuffed wallets with more money than brains. Really makes me wonder where they price the 7D2 when it comes out. Makes me think they won't break the barrier, so somewhere around $2499 USD. I hope we get to see sooner rather than later.

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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #89 on: July 16, 2012, 01:30:15 PM »