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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #75 on: July 16, 2012, 12:38:49 PM »
How does this make sense? Why would I want a $2000 plastic 5DII equivalent when I can have the real thing for the same money? And I don't believe there is any noticeable difference between the 5DII and 5DIII sensor. So what gives?

Canon kinda did the same thing with the 1000D vs the 400D. The 400D really is the better of these two so when I wanted to buy a small SLR for those moments when I prefer not to use/carry my 7D or 5D2, I bought a second hand 400D over a new or even second hand 1000D.
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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #75 on: July 16, 2012, 12:38:49 PM »

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« Reply #76 on: July 16, 2012, 12:39:23 PM »

The mods are deleting posts and issuing warnings......

Good !!

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thanks for the clarification. Wonder why I'm a troll for my original comment rofl
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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #77 on: July 16, 2012, 12:44:59 PM »
Back on track. Like others have mentioned, I think this is a solid upgrade for people using the 60D or lower and are wanting to get into a FF. Not really an upgrade for the 5DII users, but it's not meant to be.

Another point to mention is that the additional plastic would be to minimize cost.  Even though newer cameras are surpassing the 5DII, the cost to manufacture a 5DII is not going down.  2000-2200 might be the floor where making the 5DII is profitable or not.  If it comes out now with 5DIIs still in the retail channels, then it might not be an obvious win.  But how about in a year or two when the 5DII is out of production, and the price for this drops to 1600-1700?  That would lower the price of entry to the FF club, which is a win for a lot of people.

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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #78 on: July 16, 2012, 12:45:36 PM »
Why should Canon deliver a better sensor in this camera, potentially cannibalizing 5D3 sales?

Because if they don't then one of their competitors most definitely will.

What do you do - lose sales from one of your cameras to one of your other cameras or lose sales of one of your cameras to sales of someone else's cameras.

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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #79 on: July 16, 2012, 12:46:28 PM »

Another point to mention is that the additional plastic would be to minimize cost.  Even though newer cameras are surpassing the 5DII, the cost to manufacture a 5DII is not going down.  2000-2200 might be the floor where making the 5DII is profitable or not.  If it comes out now with 5DIIs still in the retail channels, then it might not be an obvious win.  But how about in a year or two when the 5DII is out of production, and the price for this drops to 1600-1700?  That would lower the price of entry to the FF club, which is a win for a lot of people.

but then d600 is better specs, probably plastic build as well but CHEAPER!

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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #80 on: July 16, 2012, 01:01:42 PM »
This will be my next camera as long as its sub 2000$. 19 crops type AF points like the 7D is more than enough for me.

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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #81 on: July 16, 2012, 01:04:00 PM »

but then d600 is better specs, probably plastic build as well but CHEAPER!

I would wait until we see back to back tests before jumping to conclusions

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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #81 on: July 16, 2012, 01:04:00 PM »

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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #82 on: July 16, 2012, 01:09:07 PM »
I wonder what they'll call it.

A single-digit name is dictated by the build, not the sensor size, in which case this body would break with tradition if it were called, say, a 6D. But if not a single-digit name, then what could it be called?


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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #83 on: July 16, 2012, 01:10:35 PM »
I wonder what they'll call it.

A single-digit name is dictated by the build, not the sensor size, in which case this body would break with tradition if it were called, say, a 6D. But if not a single-digit name, then what could it be called?

How about the 5D mark II N?

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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #84 on: July 16, 2012, 01:14:53 PM »
the D600 seems to be BIT FOR BIT the better camera and the better deal.

2012 is sure not canons year. :(

Exactly my thoughts. I'm starting to think my next camera might actually be a Nikon if this trend keeps up. I'm going to wait until/if they announce the 7D mark2 before I make any decisions though. Right now Nikon simply gives better specs for less money. I'm not THAT invested in lenses yet so I guess I'll have to see.


Exactly. This just seems like a bad idea (and a bad year) all around for Canon. Why would anyone buy this camera when they could have a weather sealed 5D Mark II or possibly the new Nikon D600. It just seems like Canon is just sleeping through 2012.
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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #85 on: July 16, 2012, 01:17:20 PM »

 this is a combination of a series of exposures using a method developed in consultation with the Cambridge Signal Processing Lab. I do consulting for a few camera review websites to develop testing methods and put this together for a project

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« Reply #86 on: July 16, 2012, 01:17:33 PM »
I apologize for my post. 

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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #87 on: July 16, 2012, 01:20:04 PM »
Why would anyone buy this camera when they could have a weather sealed 5D Mark II...

I'd assume that Canon will discontinue selling new 5DII's at the time they release this new camera (assuming they do release it).  Then it becomes the obviuos choice, unless one is willing to buy used.  But wait, you say, many retailers will still have 5DII stock...  Perhaps, just as many have the now-discontinued 24-70L in stock...and are charging an arm and a leg for it.
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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #87 on: July 16, 2012, 01:20:04 PM »

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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #88 on: July 16, 2012, 01:20:08 PM »
I wonder what they'll call it.

A single-digit name is dictated by the build, not the sensor size, in which case this body would break with tradition if it were called, say, a 6D. But if not a single-digit name, then what could it be called?

They should call it 9-and-3/4-D (like in Harry Potter), its close to 10D but not a 10D :-D

...anyway, if 22 mpx sensor, ISO 100-25600 (dont need 51600 native) and 19 points AF comes true then Im fully in !  ;) I want to buy FF, can hold off with purchase (Ive started looking at Mk II because Mk III price is too much) - AF improvment will be welcome. Maybe Canon will re-use 1D-X sensor and cripple it down a bit (in terms of some native ISO limit or so).


But I wonder what "compatible with STM lenses" means - I doubt that there will be new FF sensor with phace detection...forgive me if Im too sceptic.
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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #89 on: July 16, 2012, 01:21:40 PM »
the D600 seems to be BIT FOR BIT the better camera and the better deal.

2012 is sure not canons year. :(

Exactly my thoughts. I'm starting to think my next camera might actually be a Nikon if this trend keeps up. I'm going to wait until/if they announce the 7D mark2 before I make any decisions though. Right now Nikon simply gives better specs for less money. I'm not THAT invested in lenses yet so I guess I'll have to see.


Exactly. This just seems like a bad idea (and a bad year) all around for Canon. Why would anyone buy this camera when they could have a weather sealed 5D Mark II or possibly the new Nikon D600. It just seems like Canon is just sleeping through 2012.

did you not read what others wrote?

canon is doing the perfect thing!
this new camera is a perfect. 
it´s way better then the D600 (ok if not then it´s at least a canon and you can use your L glas).

 
don´t write such stuff or you get labeld an amateur with no experience....

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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #89 on: July 16, 2012, 01:21:40 PM »