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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Specs? [CR1]
« Reply #30 on: August 20, 2012, 03:47:12 AM »
24MP on a 1.6 crop sensor.... little too much. maybe will be APS-H ;D ;D ;D

i wonder how the DOF will be on a such high resolution APS-C sensor.
APS-H + silent serial shooting like 5D3 (maybe 5fps will be possible with APS-H sized mirror and I will buy one even for the price of 5D3

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Specs? [CR1]
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« Reply #31 on: August 20, 2012, 04:10:04 AM »
24MP on a 1.6 crop sensor.... little too much. maybe will be APS-H ;D ;D ;D

i wonder how the DOF will be on a such high resolution APS-C sensor.
APS-H + silent serial shooting like 5D3 (maybe 5fps will be possible with APS-H sized mirror and I will buy one even for the price of 5D3


The 7D2 WAS/WILL NOT be designed to fit between 5D3 and 60D - 70D. I believe that the next generation of 7D is intended as a direct 1DX sports/action camera backup or baby DSLR. 70D will be upgraded to semipro APS-C. and 7D2 ( whatever the sensor format will be) will be a dedicated sports/action camera cheaper than the flagship 1Dx.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Specs? [CR1]
« Reply #32 on: August 20, 2012, 04:10:42 AM »
7D or 70D with 24Mp sensor.

That's fine by me.

Bring it on Canon - asap.

Fannying around with sub 20Mp sensors to suit the zealots here is bad for business!
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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Specs? [CR1]
« Reply #33 on: August 20, 2012, 04:12:45 AM »
Weeelll...

Canon released the 5DII September 2008 (Photokina)
Significant firmware upgrade was released in March 2011
Replaced with 5DIII March 2012

7D was released September 2009
Significant firmware upgrade announced in June 2012 & released in August
So I would expect them to give the new firmware until at least March to run its course before replacing the camera, possibly as late as next fall if they really milk it the way they did with the 5DII.

60D was released August 2010
60Da released April 2012
XXd cameras usually have an 18 month refresh cycle with 2 years being the longest so far
Delay between 20Da & 30D was June to February.

My question is "what's coming for Photokina?"
If one were to go strictly on pattern analysis, we'd get a 70D for Photokina & a 7D replacement in the spring (but marketing doesn't have a lot to do with pattern analysis).

Canon & Nikon may be playing a cat & mouse game with the D400 and 7D replacement, each waiting to see who'll tip his hand first so that the other can react to it 6 months later.  It may well be that Canon feels it's pretty clear that Nikon will be playing the big MP card again with the 24mp Sony sensor rumored to be in the D400 (I believe that's a good assumption), and different factions in engineering & marketing are undecided as to whether to continue to tout the "fewer better MP" line used since the 1DX launch or launch a higher MP direct competitor for it.  Potatokina is looking ripe for a D400 announcement, & C & N usually try to avoid releasing directly competing cameras at the same event.

Personally I think that they'll stick with the 18 megapickle formula that has worked well for them so far, because:

  • it will enforce the mantra started with the 1DX
  • they want their camera to be as different from the D400 as possible (while still competing for the same market segment) so that they don't have to compete on price alone
  • 24mp APS-C would punish most of their current lenses.  Any of the cheaper zooms or wide primes on such a sensor would just be stupid.

I hope I'm right...
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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Specs? [CR1]
« Reply #34 on: August 20, 2012, 06:13:23 AM »
"Available this year"??

Surely you jest.

"Announced this year", ok, I'll give them that.

But Canon's ability to deliver anything on time is rubbish.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Specs? [CR1]
« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2012, 06:32:43 AM »
"24MP – an all new sensor with phase AF on chip and noticeably lower noise than the current 18MP.
High speed video, with still capture.
Improved durability and sealing."

If there is a hybrid AF as well, then it's a great base for next higher class mirrorless. I think most of next DSLRs will be designed with mirrorless brother in mind. Let them give a new AF modes: birds, sports, kids and family, pets, etc., a viewfinder and with this pixel count, cropping will help a lot.
Such a 7D successor with specs given would be great. So 7d firmware v2 would be market research and stock cleaning?
I'm just afraid that it will have 2 digics as well so no ML on it.
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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Specs? [CR1]
« Reply #36 on: August 20, 2012, 07:04:57 AM »
The formula for 7D-cathegory seems to be:
-Good AF system
-High framerates
-Good ergonomy
-good video features
-1.6x crop
-xxxD-class image quality (reasonable high-iso performance, high pixel-count offset by hard aa-filtering, worse DR at base ISO than some competitors)

I.e. a sports/wildlife/family-dog camera with a price that allows many "prosumers" to buy it. Now, scaling those features one notch up may, or may not be a good way to predict what Canon will do in the future. I guess that depends on how much money they have made from the 7D classic, how much they believe to make on a future "7Dmk2", what kind of technology advances they are able to deliver, and what they assume that competitors are doing in the timeframe of years.

If Canon was able to do better DR at iso 100, it would have made more sense to do this in the recent high-end cameras (5Dmk3 comes to mind), or even more in a high-MP-count D800 competitor (e.g. landscape). On the other hand, I think that history shows that Canon tends to introduce new sensors on APS-C first, then trickling into the 5D series? A hypothetical 7D with larger sensor size would not be a 7D anymore. God knows what marketing would call it (e.g. 7DX), but for all intents and purposes, the upgrade-path would be complicated enough that it should be considered a new product line (how many 7D users are there who does not rely significantly on EF-S type lenses?)

I take 650D-type image-sensor PDAF for granted in a 7Dmk2. The question is if they would do more/better, or if (more likely) it would be very similar to the 650D in this respect. I am guessing that a lot of interesting (and complex) things could be done by combining on-sensor CDAF/PDAF with the regular AF-sensor at high framerates to produce higher hit-rates for fast, complex movement (after all, that seems to be the main selling-point of the 7D compared to cheaper Canon products and competitors with other distinguishing features).

Canon will not give you "everything for nothing". If you want every feature to be as good as it gets, expect to pay high-end prices. It would be bad business practice for Canon to give a "7Dmk2" the same features as a $8000 camera _unless_ competition gives it no other choice.

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Considering the last moves and very credible rumors I believe competition ( Nikon) are starting to give them no choice...

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Specs? [CR1]
« Reply #36 on: August 20, 2012, 07:04:57 AM »

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Specs? [CR1]
« Reply #37 on: August 20, 2012, 07:23:24 AM »
If Canon were listening to what photographers want, how near is this specification to what 7D users have been asking for in a MkII ?

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Specs? [CR1]
« Reply #38 on: August 20, 2012, 07:24:56 AM »
If Canon were listening to what photographers want, how near is this specification to what 7D users have been asking for in a MkII ?

Regarding speed, video and MP it's above the desired specification :-)
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« Reply #39 on: August 20, 2012, 07:49:47 AM »
While I agree with previous posters who say it's about time for the 70D, it appears Canon has the most room price-wise between the 5D II and the 5D III. In addition, the most reliable Nikon rumor is the low cost FF D600 expected at Photokina. So my bet is still on a 6D to compete with the D600, but priced about $2500 instead of the rumored $2000 for the D600. The 6D was rumored at $2K for a long time, but they'd have to discontinue or slash the price of the 5D II and/or 7D to fit that in. But maybe they'd do that.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Specs? [CR1]
« Reply #40 on: August 20, 2012, 08:16:27 AM »
The specs don't make much sense given (1) the recent 7D firmware upgrade and (2) Canon's recent trend, as seen in the 1Dx and 5D3, to not increase sensor resolution in pro cameras but, rather, improve image quality at higher ISOs. A 24MP Canon APS-C sensor is equivalent to 61MP full frame. That's a lot of pixels. I think 24MP in a 70D is much more likely.
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« Reply #41 on: August 20, 2012, 08:43:08 AM »
Maybe it's the Sony 24MP APS-C sensor  ;D
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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Specs? [CR1]
« Reply #42 on: August 20, 2012, 08:48:11 AM »
Maybe it's the Sony 24MP APS-C sensor  ;D

Or it's rumored by Sony:
1. Start making people dream about 24MP APS-C from Canon
2. Wait for Canon making people dissapointed
3. Advertising: "Come to daddy..."

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Specs? [CR1]
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« Reply #43 on: August 20, 2012, 09:24:28 AM »
So it would have a higher res than the 1Dx and just 2fps less?  That is the part I don't get.  I think the 7D is due for replacement, and these maybe the specs, but if they are, I don't see it getting here till mid next year.  1DX supply is tight still, eh?
We're talking entirely different sensors though. For outdoor sports shooters who get bright sunlight, sure, there might not be a big difference. But then again, the current 7D would probably be fine for them (though the AF upgrade would be nice)

But for anyone working inside or in lower light, the 1DX sensor can shoot comfortably at ISO 12,800 and even 25,600, and the current 7D struggles at ISO 1600. Even assuming they get an extra stop out of the 7D sensor, its still well behind.

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« Reply #44 on: August 20, 2012, 10:20:18 AM »
If the camera fits between the 5D Mark III and the 1DX, it isn't going to be called a 7D Mark II or a 70D!!!
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