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Re: Canon EOS 3D X [CR1]
« Reply #135 on: August 22, 2012, 10:15:39 PM »
However this camera turns out, 5D3 owners will be burned.

Not if it has the same old DR (i.e. not close to low ISO Nikon or MF), much slower fps, no chance for magic lantern, costs a lot more. You'd get better reach and detail but give up a lot since Canon won't give it cropped modes with speed or stay at a more reasonable 36MP to keep some speed and doesn't seem to have the sensor tech to deliver top quality low ISO pixels. I'd rather keep the 5D3 and wait for a 5D4 or D900 myself.
Of course, who knows, maybe they finally spring their miracle new sensor with this or it does have fast crops modes or better fps (46MP dual digic should go 4.7fps not 3.7fps and it could hit 6fps if they cut MP down a little).


EDIT: OK i misread the rumor, it mentions industry leading LOW ISO so forget what I wrote above. If it has industry leading low ISO DR and 46MP it will be a landscape and studio beast!  ;D

Yes, 5D3 owners will be burned. :-X

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Re: Canon EOS 3D X [CR1]
« Reply #135 on: August 22, 2012, 10:15:39 PM »

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Re: Canon EOS 3D X [CR1]
« Reply #136 on: August 22, 2012, 10:49:33 PM »
However this camera turns out, 5D3 owners will be burned.

Not if it has the same old DR (i.e. not close to low ISO Nikon or MF), much slower fps, no chance for magic lantern, costs a lot more. You'd get better reach and detail but give up a lot since Canon won't give it cropped modes with speed or stay at a more reasonable 36MP to keep some speed and doesn't seem to have the sensor tech to deliver top quality low ISO pixels. I'd rather keep the 5D3 and wait for a 5D4 or D900 myself.
Of course, who knows, maybe they finally spring their miracle new sensor with this or it does have fast crops modes or better fps (46MP dual digic should go 4.7fps not 3.7fps and it could hit 6fps if they cut MP down a little).


EDIT: OK i misread the rumor, it mentions industry leading LOW ISO so forget what I wrote above. If it has industry leading low ISO DR and 46MP it will be a landscape and studio beast!  ;D

Yes, 5D3 owners will be burned. :-X

Burned?  Why?  Just b/c a better camera comes out doesn't make the one I have worse does it?  I'm a 5D3 owner and I don't want a 46 MP camera.  I don't want a 36 MP camera.  I want a 22 MP camera with a great AF system.  There's a reason I kept my 5D Mark III and sold my 1Ds Mark III. 
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Re: Canon EOS 3D X [CR1]
« Reply #137 on: August 22, 2012, 10:51:09 PM »
However this camera turns out, 5D3 owners will be burned.

Not if it has the same old DR (i.e. not close to low ISO Nikon or MF), much slower fps, no chance for magic lantern, costs a lot more. You'd get better reach and detail but give up a lot since Canon won't give it cropped modes with speed or stay at a more reasonable 36MP to keep some speed and doesn't seem to have the sensor tech to deliver top quality low ISO pixels. I'd rather keep the 5D3 and wait for a 5D4 or D900 myself.
Of course, who knows, maybe they finally spring their miracle new sensor with this or it does have fast crops modes or better fps (46MP dual digic should go 4.7fps not 3.7fps and it could hit 6fps if they cut MP down a little).


EDIT: OK i misread the rumor, it mentions industry leading LOW ISO so forget what I wrote above. If it has industry leading low ISO DR and 46MP it will be a landscape and studio beast!  ;D

Yes, 5D3 owners will be burned. :-X

Burned?  Why?  Just b/c a better camera comes out doesn't make the one I have worse does it?  I'm a 5D3 owner and I don't want a 46 MP camera.  I don't want a 36 MP camera.  I want a 22 MP camera with a great AF system.  There's a reason I kept my 5D Mark III and sold my 1Ds Mark III.

Canon could have done better.

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Re: Canon EOS 3D X [CR1]
« Reply #138 on: August 22, 2012, 10:53:34 PM »
I agree, the 5D Mark III could have had better DR.  That's the shortcoming I see and can understand.  Historically though, the 1Ds line has had that, and we sort of lost that with the 1DX and again I'll say, the 1DX doesn't replace the 1Ds3 at all.
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Re: Canon EOS 3D X [CR1]
« Reply #139 on: August 23, 2012, 03:21:26 AM »
Many Canonites had dismissed the D800 simply because it had 'too many mp's,' would slow down pp, files take up too much space etc.  All valid considerations, but I'm guessing more than a few of those people would suddenly consider this Canon ;)
LOL.  I was also thinking how come those people not complaining this high MP camera.
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Re: Canon EOS 3D X [CR1]
« Reply #140 on: August 23, 2012, 03:43:33 AM »
  • Maximize the SNR by capturing as many photons as possible
... unless you have to raise iso to get an ok shutter speed when overexposing, so often anti-ettr by underexposing and/or lower iso might give you a higher snr :-p

That would sort of defeat the point of messing with it, now wouldn't it :-).

But in fact if you play around with it & pixel peep I think you'll find that up to about ISO800 or ISO1600 (depending on the camera of course, for modern Canons it's usually around 800 for crop & 1600 for FF) it's actually beneficial to do what you're saying i.e. boost the ISO to get better sensitivity for ETTR.  Until the camera starts doing more linear amplification (which causes DR to drop above those ISOs), capturing more photons is better.

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Re: Canon EOS 3D X [CR1]
« Reply #141 on: August 23, 2012, 08:19:56 AM »
The 1Dx is the merged 1D series. Here is what i think a big mp Canon should look like. It would be similar to Hasselblad and others in the big mp range. Change it from an EOS C300 to EOS D1 or 100. Dumbing down the cinema aspects for magazine shooter styling and mp size. I can almost hear the buzz of reasons why this wouldn't happen, lol. I like to dream.
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Re: Canon EOS 3D X [CR1]
« Reply #141 on: August 23, 2012, 08:19:56 AM »

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Re: Canon EOS 3D X [CR1]
« Reply #142 on: August 23, 2012, 08:54:38 AM »
The 1Dx is the merged 1D series. Here is what i think a big mp Canon should look like. It would be similar to Hasselblad and others in the big mp range. Change it from an EOS C300 to EOS D1 or 100. Dumbing down the cinema aspects for magazine shooter styling and mp size. I can almost hear the buzz of reasons why this wouldn't happen, lol. I like to dream.

Actually that's a great design idea!

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Re: Canon EOS 3D X [CR1]
« Reply #143 on: August 23, 2012, 09:35:09 AM »
The 1Dx is the merged 1D series. Here is what i think a big mp Canon should look like. It would be similar to Hasselblad and others in the big mp range. Change it from an EOS C300 to EOS D1 or 100. Dumbing down the cinema aspects for magazine shooter styling and mp size. I can almost hear the buzz of reasons why this wouldn't happen, lol. I like to dream.

Actually that's a great design idea!
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Re: Canon EOS 3D X [CR1]
« Reply #144 on: August 23, 2012, 10:28:31 AM »
Would love it if it comes out in october :)

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Re: Canon EOS 3D X [CR1]
« Reply #145 on: August 23, 2012, 10:42:05 AM »
Many Canonites had dismissed the D800 simply because it had 'too many mp's,' would slow down pp, files take up too much space etc.  All valid considerations, but I'm guessing more than a few of those people would suddenly consider this Canon ;)
LOL.  I was also thinking how come those people not complaining this high MP camera.

As someone who see's the d800 as more of a want than a need, I view this rumored spec list in the same vein.  Would it be awesome, sure,  but unless the type of work I do were to change a lot, it would make no sense to shift to bigger mp's. 

And why would I complain, or anyone else that works in lots of low light situations?  Whats there to complain about.  It's not like Canon is pulling the 5d3 and the 1dx from the shelves and issuing recalls so we have to own this MP beast.  This new camera will fill a needed niche, one that is very vifferent than lets way the niche for hte mk3 and 1dx (which are actually in different niche's as well, not that the 1dx wouldn't be an amazing camera for weddings, but, it is more of a sports body).  So 1dx is sports and superior low light machine.  3D (or whatever they call it is the studio/landscape shooter beast, and the 5dmk3 is the wedding/event shooters tool of choice.  Why would we complain?  It actually makes sense, and, it finally gets all the big mp fans to stop complaining about how the 5d3 sucks and is a gimmick and is over priced (all things I don't agree with)
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Re: Canon EOS 3D X [CR1]
« Reply #146 on: August 23, 2012, 11:03:36 AM »
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It actually makes sense, and, it finally gets all the big mp fans to stop complaining about how the 5d3 sucks and is a gimmick and is over priced (all things I don't agree with)

I see a lot of posts: "That's only 46MP but I need 52 in my work. And it costs 500$ too much."
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Re: Canon EOS 3D X [CR1]
« Reply #147 on: August 23, 2012, 11:07:27 AM »
Would love it if it comes out in october :)

no way that would happen on earth..!

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« Reply #147 on: August 23, 2012, 11:07:27 AM »

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Re: Canon EOS 3D X [CR1]
« Reply #148 on: August 23, 2012, 11:20:28 AM »
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It actually makes sense, and, it finally gets all the big mp fans to stop complaining about how the 5d3 sucks and is a gimmick and is over priced (all things I don't agree with)

I see a lot of posts: "That's only 46MP but I need 52 in my work. And it costs 500$ too much."
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Re: Canon EOS 3D X [CR1]
« Reply #149 on: August 23, 2012, 11:24:22 AM »
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It actually makes sense, and, it finally gets all the big mp fans to stop complaining about how the 5d3 sucks and is a gimmick and is over priced (all things I don't agree with)

I see a lot of posts: "That's only 46MP but I need 52 in my work. And it costs 500$ too much."
;D

Or...But it sucks past ISO 3200...lol
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Re: Canon EOS 3D X [CR1]
« Reply #149 on: August 23, 2012, 11:24:22 AM »