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Re: Canon EOS 6D Specs Leaked?
« Reply #285 on: September 15, 2012, 08:01:06 AM »
someone working in a retail in the uk...

the price point in the UK will be £1799

its a 20mp camera with only 1 card slot SD/SDHC... stock will arrive in December.
The price is including 24-105 or not?? £1799 is close to $3000

body only but it's cheaper than d600 that would be around 2000 pounds; in the rest of europe will be around 1800€ so it will retail around 5dmk2 actual prices (1600-1700). price a it too high
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Re: Canon EOS 6D Specs Leaked?
« Reply #285 on: September 15, 2012, 08:01:06 AM »

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Specs Leaked?
« Reply #286 on: September 15, 2012, 08:10:03 AM »
only the body £1799

and you know that how?

trolling attempt from a new registered user?!   ;)

Call me a troll at your own peril ;)

you'll come to know on Monday as who is trolling and who is trying to bash a new registered user ;)

if you've cared to read my earlier post then I have already mentioned as from where I got the information..

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Specs Leaked?
« Reply #287 on: September 15, 2012, 08:18:30 AM »
       1. If it doesn’t have AFMA

good call.  I instantly wrote off the 60D due to its lack of AFMA.  Especially with 3rd party lenses & AF-confirm adapters, the lack of it is a deal-breaker.

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Specs Leaked?
« Reply #288 on: September 15, 2012, 08:32:11 AM »
My question is:  if it is indeed 20MP, why the heck did they develop yet another FF sensor?

They're Canon. They did it because they can.

As long as they can increase the DR, 20MP is enough.

I agree with increasing the DR, but I'm skeptical as any other. Not saying it's impossible, because people did welcome the 5D series and knew what they were sacrificing performance wise, just so they could get the IQ. The 5D mark III is a beast with it's AF performance. A lower 5D with more DR is what we're all hoping for, judging from Canon's habits... Most likely not going to happen. As for the sensor, they do make their own sensor unlike Nikon who has to depend on Sony. Canon has repeatedly used the 7D sensor without releasing completely brand new sensors (aside from small tweaks) in the crop line, and perhaps in that time they developed a secret line of new sensors including what's rumored to be this 20mp one. Or... They just used that time to develop their new Cinema cameras, and we're still pretty much screwed for new bodies until they can recover. In the meantime while we all wait for that, I'm still enjoying shooting because of Canon's awesome lens lineup.
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Re: Canon EOS 6D Specs Leaked?
« Reply #289 on: September 15, 2012, 09:04:24 AM »
My question is:  if it is indeed 20MP, why the heck did they develop yet another FF sensor?

They're Canon. They did it because they can.

As long as they can increase the DR, 20MP is enough.

I agree with increasing the DR, but I'm skeptical as any other. Not saying it's impossible, because people did welcome the 5D series and knew what they were sacrificing performance wise, just so they could get the IQ. The 5D mark III is a beast with it's AF performance. A lower 5D with more DR is what we're all hoping for, judging from Canon's habits... Most likely not going to happen. As for the sensor, they do make their own sensor unlike Nikon who has to depend on Sony. Canon has repeatedly used the 7D sensor without releasing completely brand new sensors (aside from small tweaks) in the crop line, and perhaps in that time they developed a secret line of new sensors including what's rumored to be this 20mp one. Or... They just used that time to develop their new Cinema cameras, and we're still pretty much screwed for new bodies until they can recover. In the meantime while we all wait for that, I'm still enjoying shooting because of Canon's awesome lens lineup.

An increase in DR won't make any difference if it has fewer than 24MP.

It would need to have some kind of extraordinary DR, like 16 or 18 stops, maybe 20, for it to make up for the lack of megapixels in the eyes of the average DSLR shopper.

I thought with the 22MP 5D3 that Canon would do something special for video because of the 3:1 ratio for 1920x1080 but it has delivered nothing special, so we were all wrong about that.

All of this means that Canon's strategy for this evolution of sensors and cameras is wrong.

nothing stopped D700 to be a good seller compared to 5D2.  WTH I'm just looking for a DR of 15 for 20MP.  16 will be heaven.  If they can deliver it, for $1700, even with 9 AF points all cross-type, I'll buy it in an instant.

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Specs Leaked?
« Reply #290 on: September 15, 2012, 09:11:03 AM »
someone working in a retail in the uk...

the price point in the UK will be £1799

its a 20mp camera with only 1 card slot SD/SDHC... stock will arrive in December.
The price is including 24-105 or not?? £1799 is close to $3000

Nope, UK prices just tend to be higher like that. Amazon UK is currently taking pre-orders for the D600 at £1974.44, so if this rumoured price is true, then the 6D will be nearly 200 pounds cheaper than the Nikon.

The D600 is currently on sale in Ireland and the cheapest price is €2300 (> US$3000) see below for biggest Canon/Nikon dealer prices:

http://www.connscameras.ie/nikon-d600/p-vba340aepd.html

If the 6D is genuine and if it is priced just below the D600, then prices in UK & Ireland will be around £1,650 & €2,099 respectively. In both countries it will likely cost 500 more than a 7D.

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Specs Leaked?
« Reply #291 on: September 15, 2012, 09:31:54 AM »
       1. If it doesn’t have AFMA

good call.  I instantly wrote off the 60D due to its lack of AFMA.  Especially with 3rd party lenses & AF-confirm adapters, the lack of it is a deal-breaker.

No, my problem is that I don't know if it is a deal breaker having never had a dslr with this!

But that's an interesting point you make about af-confirm adapters as I have FD lenses and I know the confirm point isn't quite right but I compensate for that. Would AFMA really allow me to correct this or is it too fine a micro adjustment to make any difference?

Edit: rubbish AFMA has to register the setting for the lens and it doesn't recognise FD of course

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Specs Leaked?
« Reply #291 on: September 15, 2012, 09:31:54 AM »

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Specs Leaked?
« Reply #292 on: September 15, 2012, 09:37:26 AM »
Most likely, these specs are just made up, because:
a) "APS-C Sized body" doesn't make any sense. Maybe some bits were lost in translation, so we've got "APS-C Sized body" instead of "APS-C Sized sensor" and those are 70D specs.
b) "11 AF Points, f/2.8 Cross-type in the center" doesn't make much sense as well. How many cross-type in the center? 1? 5? 7?  60D and 650D got all 9 cross-type.
c) If "APS-C Sized body" somehow means that it is smaller than 5D/1D, then I doubt that it would be xD series camera. SD card slots are reasonable for smaller bodies. However, a single SD card slot in $2000 body is just ridiculous and if they did that just to keep the price as low as possible, then the "Built-in Wifi & GPS", "Weathersealed" body and a new FF sensor doesn't make sense at all.
d) IMHO, only 5D(something) can replace the 5D2. Writing random numbers on cameras is a Nikon thing, not Canon. Let's call it 5D2minusCF  ;D

As a 70D these specs make a lot more sense.  even if it is full frame after all.  I wonder if Canon would still be considered dead/over/Kodak/irrelevant/stupid if the chips do fall this way?


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Re: EOS 6D should be $1500
« Reply #293 on: September 15, 2012, 09:44:34 AM »
Yup, at $1200-$1500, this camera would sell. And sell well.

But at the same price as the D600, who's going to buy it?

If you've got an APS-C Canon DSLR and "L" lenses then you're probably in a position to buy the 6D but would you?

When you look at it, $2000 for 24MP Nikon D600 or $2000 for 20MP Canon 6D.

Who's going to think that the Canon is a good purchase? Nobody... people will buy it because they feel like there is no other choice, not because they want to.
Furthermore, I don't understand who will buy this camera anyway.   Who is it really marketed at?   The consumer segment has no clue between APS-C and FF.  FF is not an upgrade over crop, they each have their purpose (you don't upgrade your car by buying a truck, cars haul people and trucks haul stuff).  Those that want to add a FF (like myself), will find the specs inadequate.  So who is this thing for?   All I see is Canon purely reacting to their competitor and not producing  a product for their customers.  Tell me where I'm wrong. 

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Re: EOS 6D should be $1500
« Reply #294 on: September 15, 2012, 09:57:07 AM »
Yup, at $1200-$1500, this camera would sell. And sell well.

But at the same price as the D600, who's going to buy it?

If you've got an APS-C Canon DSLR and "L" lenses then you're probably in a position to buy the 6D but would you?

When you look at it, $2000 for 24MP Nikon D600 or $2000 for 20MP Canon 6D.

Who's going to think that the Canon is a good purchase? Nobody... people will buy it because they feel like there is no other choice, not because they want to.
Furthermore, I don't understand who will buy this camera anyway.   Who is it really marketed at?   The consumer segment has no clue between APS-C and FF.  FF is not an upgrade over crop, they each have their purpose (you don't upgrade your car by buying a truck, cars haul people and trucks haul stuff).  Those that want to add a FF (like myself), will find the specs inadequate.  So who is this thing for?   All I see is Canon purely reacting to their competitor and not producing  a product for their customers.  Tell me where I'm wrong.

You're not wrong per se, but what if the new norm is FF? It may only be a matter of time before all Rebels are FF, especially now that compacts (like the EOS-M) are using same APS-C sensor as T4i.

Look at it this way, all Rebel users who read this forum see that serious amateur/enthusiasts constantly dismiss crop-sensors as sub-par in the IQ stakes. After some time, all crop-sensor DSLR owners aspire to move up to FF, particularly if they've already acquired some good glass. Eventually, a manufacturer makes a more affordable FF body, and then everyone's expectations rise.

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Re: EOS 6D should be $1500
« Reply #295 on: September 15, 2012, 09:59:48 AM »
Yup, at $1200-$1500, this camera would sell. And sell well.

But at the same price as the D600, who's going to buy it?

If you've got an APS-C Canon DSLR and "L" lenses then you're probably in a position to buy the 6D but would you?

When you look at it, $2000 for 24MP Nikon D600 or $2000 for 20MP Canon 6D.

Who's going to think that the Canon is a good purchase? Nobody... people will buy it because they feel like there is no other choice, not because they want to.
Furthermore, I don't understand who will buy this camera anyway.   Who is it really marketed at?   The consumer segment has no clue between APS-C and FF.  FF is not an upgrade over crop, they each have their purpose (you don't upgrade your car by buying a truck, cars haul people and trucks haul stuff).  Those that want to add a FF (like myself), will find the specs inadequate.  So who is this thing for?   All I see is Canon purely reacting to their competitor and not producing  a product for their customers.  Tell me where I'm wrong.

Where you're wrong is that the design and planning for this camera probably started 3 or 4 years ago.

Thus what you see in this design is Canon reacting to what Nkon/Sony were doing then, not now.

The features (including sensor) would have been locked down sometime last year.
And that does make sense....unfortunately.

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Specs Leaked?
« Reply #296 on: September 15, 2012, 10:12:55 AM »
Looks like more than one leaked picture. So, this could be real, but the specs are really disappointing.

Did people from the Photoshop 101 class got to post on CR for homework?

Oh, yeah, that's an intelligent post. Hope you feel better with yourself for it.

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Specs Leaked?
« Reply #297 on: September 15, 2012, 10:18:08 AM »
At reading some of the posts in this 21 page thread at the time I feel happy for not having waited on an entry FF body. About 3 weeks ago I bought the 5D3 and yes, I paid full price 3,6 k at a brick and mortar retail shop but I do not regret it one moment. It is a tremendously versatile camera (I am a passionate amateur, sometimes making a few bucks on selling a photograph, or getting remunerated with a "reader photographer fee" if the regional newspaper publishes a picture I took. I do all the ISOs. H1 and H2 are just fine for b/w available light as the "grain" even after post still looks like in the old days with pushed Tri-X pan's ;-) I like this "feature". And even though the 5D3 price is high (I've saved up for a long time) it is worth it. Getting kind of a mini 1Dx at almost half the price is great.
But a decent entry FF would make sense. The annoying thing in these specs is the SD only mode, and the AF unit. If  the sensor is based on the 5D3's and 1Dx the lower MP count might even help IQ-wise. Warning: I am not a tech. So, if this cam will have H1 (51k) and (102k) it will deliever. And we'd get back to affordable FF days after a long time. Hope it doesn't break the 2k mark.
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Re: Canon EOS 6D Specs Leaked?
« Reply #297 on: September 15, 2012, 10:18:08 AM »

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« Reply #298 on: September 15, 2012, 10:20:53 AM »
Nikon and Sony have completely out foxed Canon.

Canon's first big mistake was putting only 22MP in the 5D3 with a sensor that performs about the same as the 5D2.

Having learnt from the lesson of the 1Ds3/5D2, Canon did not want to introduce a "lesser camera" (6D) than the 5D3 with the same sensor because lots of would-be purchasers of the 5D3 would simply buy the 6D instead. So the 6D will have 20MP to stop it stealing sales from those who want more MP (22) from the 5D3.

Where Nikon has outfoxed Canon is that their camera at about the same price ($2099 is close enough to $1999) but with 20% more pixels. Nikon were able to deliver a 24MP FF camera at $2099 because their next model up camera has substantially more megapixels - 36.

Canon's product lineup below the 1DX is screwed. They really need to throw it out and start over.

And why does Canon need to do that?

Because the number of megapixels in their sensors is now too low. And if megapixels didn't matter then why wouldn't the 6D have the same, if not more, than the 5D3?

You must have gotten the MP kool-aid.  MP's aren't everything!  If the rumored specs said 24 MP, would that and that alone make this on par?  No.  Where the d800 differentiates itself from the mk3 isn't in mp's, but in IQ and DR at ISO 100-800, and above ISO 800 Canon takes the lead in both IQ and DR.

Back to why these specs suck.  It isn't MP's --- if it said 40 MP's it would still suck due to only having 11 AF points with 1 cross type at the center, and sd card only memory (unless this new sensor fixed the DR issues - but if it did, then the 6d would be closer to $2800).  Those are really the biggest issues. It's 2012, we shouldn't have to center point recompose on a brand new $2000 camera.  I could even deal with SD only if the AF was actually modern - it doesn't need to be the 61 point of the mk3, but dang it use the 21 point from 7d or the 45 point from the 1d4.  If it had at least that then it would be a worthy purchase and sit on my left side as backup to my mk3 (if the ISO performance is close to that of the mk3).  As it stands, the throwback to 2008 AF is useless, and SD only would prevent any kind of burst shooting due because SD wouldn't be able to handle writing at higher speeds.  So sorry, while I agree these specs are a big fail --- it isn't because of MP's...
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Re: Canon is out foxed.
« Reply #299 on: September 15, 2012, 10:26:22 AM »
Nikon and Sony have completely out foxed Canon.

Canon's first big mistake was putting only 22MP in the 5D3 with a sensor that performs about the same as the 5D2.

Having learnt from the lesson of the 1Ds3/5D2, Canon did not want to introduce a "lesser camera" (6D) than the 5D3 with the same sensor because lots of would-be purchasers of the 5D3 would simply buy the 6D instead. So the 6D will have 20MP to stop it stealing sales from those who want more MP (22) from the 5D3.

Where Nikon has outfoxed Canon is that their camera at about the same price ($2099 is close enough to $1999) but with 20% more pixels. Nikon were able to deliver a 24MP FF camera at $2099 because their next model up camera has substantially more megapixels - 36.

Canon's product lineup below the 1DX is screwed. They really need to throw it out and start over.

And why does Canon need to do that?

Because the number of megapixels in their sensors is now too low. And if megapixels didn't matter then why wouldn't the 6D have the same, if not more, than the 5D3?

You must have gotten the MP kool-aid.  MP's aren't everything!  If the rumored specs said 24 MP, would that and that alone make this on par?  No.  Where the d800 differentiates itself from the mk3 isn't in mp's, but in IQ and DR at ISO 100-800, and above ISO 800 Canon takes the lead in both IQ and DR.

Back to why these specs suck.  It isn't MP's --- if it said 40 MP's it would still suck due to only having 11 AF points with 1 cross type at the center, and sd card only memory (unless this new sensor fixed the DR issues - but if it did, then the 6d would be closer to $2800).  Those are really the biggest issues. It's 2012, we shouldn't have to center point recompose on a brand new $2000 camera.  I could even deal with SD only if the AF was actually modern - it doesn't need to be the 61 point of the mk3, but dang it use the 21 point from 7d or the 45 point from the 1d4.  If it had at least that then it would be a worthy purchase and sit on my left side as backup to my mk3 (if the ISO performance is close to that of the mk3).  As it stands, the throwback to 2008 AF is useless, and SD only would prevent any kind of burst shooting due because SD wouldn't be able to handle writing at higher speeds.  So sorry, while I agree these specs are a big fail --- it isn't because of MP's...
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Re: Canon is out foxed.
« Reply #299 on: September 15, 2012, 10:26:22 AM »