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London, 20 October 2009 – Canon today announces that it is currently developing a firmware update to the EOS 5D Mark II to enable the recording of high definition 1080p video at 24 and 25fps. The decision to develop new firmware to support these features has been taken following feedback received from cinematographers and photographers.
Read all about it at Planet5D: http://blog.planet5d.com/…..
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Good on them, its nice to see them listening to their clients!
Hurrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!
yeah!
choosing between 7D and 5D has become harder.
I wonder how much euro the 1D IV will be when it comes out.
wait….why would photographers care about video frame rates?…..
we’re artists.
I’m more interested in the 50/60 720p, hopefully that’s included.
If only they could upgrade my weathersealing, Autofocus System and fps through a firmware upgrade. Then I’d have the ultimate Camera.
Jokes aside.. (But seriously.. Ultimate Camera..)
Thanks Canon, very happy with this announcement.
Not really, one is full frame, the other is not. If you want full frame, the only answer in this price range is the 5Dii, if you don’t care, get the less expensive camera with two processors that will probably handle video better.
just seemed curious. as curious as if canon made changes to their “stills” features of the camera because of “feedback they’ve received from cinematographers”.
Nice… But when will Canon release a firmware with a minimum speed shutter speed in auto ISO? I think it is really a big matter, Nikon has this option in most of its cameras…
+1 lol
This is why I buy Canon. Thank you :)
Finally, hurrah…
Release at NEW YEAR please =)
ahhhh finally no more whining from the 5D Mk II crew
just because you’re a strict photographer doesn’t mean everyone else. no, the majority of us (vast, vast majority) will never become pro videographers. probably not even decent videographers. doesn’t mean people don’t take a serious interest in their equipment and their hobby — the same way that photography is still a hobby for most people, even a lot of the people with 5D bodies.
This is BRILLIANT!
Sometimes I think companies pull this $h!T just so they can appear to ‘rectify’ the issue and look like the good guy, build brand loyalty and sell more stuff.
In fact, I think that all the time. Anyway….
EPIC! WOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO……!!! :)
As a contrast to all the hooray yelling people here: what the hell takes them so long to implement a new video mode? Obviously Canon has exactly one firmware developer and this person is occupied until 2010 …
October 2008: “Whaaaa! We have no manual exposure for video!”
Canon fixes it.
Through October 2009: “Whaaaaa! We have no 24p!”
Canon fixes it.
We end up with a 21mp insane still camera that also produces 1080p at 30fps and now 24p and 25p coming… and it’s under 3 grand…
AND WE THEN HAVE TO COMPLAIN THAT WE WANT BETTER AF AND 720P AND MINIMUM AUTO ISO??? Why on earth doesn’t anyone appreciate how MUCH we have at our fingertips??
Whoa. I was simply making an observation if there wording…not questioning your art.
I happen to be a cinematographer who’s hobby has always been photography. This camera was a sweet pickup for me.
Even still, I couldn’t see canon releasing a firmware to update stills because of feedback given by cinematographers. Simple observation my friend
Thank you for putting it in perspective for everyone. It’s a great camera that is getting better with time.
Yeaaaa about that…how much better? The 5D Mark II has a better sensor and it’s full frame chip shoots with much better dynamic range and detail.
My friend was one of the first to get a 7D and he shoots surf videos and photography with it. We both agree its great but still IQ is no 5DMii or 1D.
Very very awesome! I signed one of those petition but I honestly thought it was a waste of time and that Canon wouldn’t listen. I’m pretty impressed and pleased with Canon right now.
Too bad it didn’t happen before I started working on a new video project.
BTW – Captain Stubling is pretty darn heavy with a 24-70mm L. Anyone planning to get this rig better be in shape.
understand your point. I think, however, canon is taking the video community very seriously, to the point where they actually brought on staff from their cinema side to assist in development of the 1DMkIV. I think Canon sees leveraging their video knowledge and large scale R&D to produce more versatile cameras than Nikon’s offerings — they’re betting that dominating the crossover segment will be the path to market supremacy over the next 5-10 years.
Well
I’m happy as the others with 24/25p, BUT autoiso….
Why the hell canon had introduced correct autoiso in manual mode for video (liveview) and did not for stills? It is still camera in the first place.
I love this camera…I bought one when the 7D was announced…Once I saw the 7D specs, I was sure they would release a 24P/25P firmware update this year…I was off with my estimate, but am excited that they are making what I find to be a perfect camera for the price, even better! I’m only a recent camera pro camera owner, but I’m liking the direction the company is taking in terms of taking care of it’s high end users, and keeping desired functionality coming in the form of firmware updates…
Yeah right! There will always be something (better weather sealing! I want it to work with third party batteries!), you can’t please everyone.
However, hopefully this will quiet it down to a dull background roar for the majority of users.
I’m not sure, as I only use the 5Dii and my wife won’t let me run out and get a new cropped camera when I just got this one. I thought the entire purpose of two processors was to handle the video better in the first place, only one is needed for still photos. Weird to hear that it’s not worth it…
Gosh I hope this 5D Mark II band-aid does not mean Canon will delay the introduction of the 5D Mark III for early 2010.
well, some useful other simple things in new firmware?….
1) with Av and iso auto, the possibility to set a minimum shutter speed. Now the shutter speed is almost linked to the “classical rule” of 1/focal lenght; many times would be desirable a higher or lower value. Many times I need a 1/300 shutter speed even if I’m using the 50mm, other times I would like a 1/60 even if I work with 200mm with stabilizer on. (Also why, with Av and iso auto, and flash on camera the iso value does not raise over 400 and the “rule” above doesn’t work?)
2) in M and iso auto it would be desirable the same behavior like in movie mode (iso changes while f and speed are fixed), while now, in M, isoauto is fixed to iso400 (if I wanted 400 fixed I would have set “400″ not isoauto..)
3) Good job in 7D with customizable buttons: even if 5d lacks of the added button I’d like to set the “*” and the “af-on” as I like. For example *=ael, af-on=fel…. (options menu for each button like in 7d, also for “half press”)
4)…..+- 3EV exposure correction (not necessary a new lcd panel, for example for showing -3EV in the viewfinder and lcd is possible the label blinking on -2 and a second label (not blinking) on -1..). In wedding photography for example I’d find it very useful, sometimes with flash on camera, when it’s not possible to have a fast enough shutter time (working in Av and fill flash) -3EV correction (ok +-4 would be better!) would avoid to set the camera in M (same result, but lowering the EV compensation is faster than turn the knob in M..if you are aiming and do not have 3 hands)
..and, I don’t know if it’s possible by firmware but the possibility to use the speedlight 270 ex as master via camera menu’?…I’ve a st-e2 but it’s quite obsolete…
YES, IN FACT I don’t think they need so many months to release an already beta tested firmware, unless they are adding more functions or it’s a marketing strategy…
To all those people who didn’t call Canon yet, now you know you are not alone. You can call to register a Feature request for the 5D Mark II.
CHECK the Reference Features list:
http://5dmark2.wordpress.com/2009/09/28/5d-mark-ii-features-request/
Thanks to everyone supporting, including Canon Rumors :)
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I’ll tell you why – when the 24p update is added to the markII, you’ll notice that the jello and skew goes from bad to just plain awful, possibly unusable. With only one digic IV processor to handle to video information from the full-frame sensor, I can promise you things won’t be pretty.
They announce it early for the attention, get people excited and hopefully sell more 5dII’s to wannabe filmmakers. Then quietly roll out the firmware and hope people don’t make a stink about how bad it is.
Until they have dual Digic V processors and a redesigned sensor, the video sampling from Canon’s DSLRs are going to be riddled with the same problems (moire, aliasing, low resolution, and bad bad jello)
We know Tim Smith of Canon is not to be believed.
Great news!
I bet this software upgrade comes out when the 6d Mark II arrives…..
You make it sound like The Apocalypse!
The ‘Jello’ is NOT that bad at all – and only someone who talks about it without shooting much would harp on about it. If you’re that concerned about something that is so insignificant compared to it’s benefits, and something which all but the most anal viewer wouldn’t even notice, then get a RED or a dedicated video camera.
The 7D isn’t much / any better than the 5D2 with dual Digic 4 chips, so it’s not a matter of HP. According to rumours, it was technically very difficult to adjust frame rates, but as canon have been so tight lipped over why the 5D2 seemed to be so hard to alter, in spite of the FW on the 7D coming out with 24/24fps, I guess we’ll never know.
I don’t believe any of it and I think that the 24/25 fps was possible from conception but Canon needed time to see how the market would react to the new features and what affect it would have on their dedicated video cameras.
I’d bet the 24/25 will work really well, and i’d also bet that 720p 50/60fps comes with the update too.
i’d be surprised to see an update to the 5D2 before 2011!
5D Mark III will take longer, probably end of 2011.
To me, this announcement means a delay for the 5D3. Which is too bad for me as I was hoping for a early release of the 5D3, no later than Fall 2010.
I will probably get the 7D and hope for a 5D3 (a 7D with 24 MP FF and 5FPS) in Fall 2011.
To me, this means the competitive pressure for the 5D2 will not come from Nikon, but from Sony….if the Sony rumors are to be believed.
I had expected a Nikon D700X this Oct 2009….and it looks as if that is not happening.
Thank you Canon.
Yes!!!!
Yes yes yes!!!!
Awesome to the max!!!! I needed this bad!!!
To all the true believers, thanks for asking for the request. To the doubters and non-believers, have more faith next time!!!
and lastly Thank you Canon!!!! I know now why it’s Canon and not Can’t-on!
Too bad for me as well. I need to upgrade my Canon30D for a summer 2010 family wedding and anxious for a 5D refresh.
The 5D MarkII is nice but I’m not inclined to plunk down $2.5K for what is now obsolete technology. The 7D could have been a candidate but Canon decided to shoehorn even more pixels in that APS-C sensor.
Canon has a gaping hole in the $2500 segment and this firmware band-aid is not what I was hoping for.
I agree about the AV minimum shutter! I hate the 1/F rule! It makes images blurry with the slow shutter. They should fix it to because its a fault as a still camera!
You’re a fool. Cameras never become obsolete.
Lenses? what about lenses?
NEWS PLEASE!!!!!
+1
and take note we brought this camera without that features
bad for me, i brought the 7D for its video and AF, i didn’t thought canon will tweak their 5D MK II. i sold my 5D MK I a year ago when MK II was announce, planning to buy 1D MK III but the AF issues stop me from buying it. now got my 450D with 18-200 as walk around, 40D as travel and 7D with “L’s” for serious photography. what i am waiting is the new 70-200 2.8 IS because i sold mine
who’s willing to pay $1000 for AF upgrade/replacement of the current 5d MK II? the 1D MK IV AF on 5D MK II. Canon is that possible? i think many people will bite this. and also in 1D MK III if possible.
wipped…
yeeeahhhhh…. thats much more important that 24p….
The first 5D was out for around 3 years before it was updated, the MkII has been out for about a year and people are waiting for a “3D/5DIII” LOL.
Just because the 7D is out doesn’t mean Canon are going to rush and upgrade the 5DII with the 7D’s features. They are a company after all, a company that wants to make money not to mention a “return of investment.”
It’s silly to think the 5DII will be updated so fast, enthusiast wish list. Don’t be dumb.
@b.w.
“Jello” has nothing to do with frame rate. It has everything to do with sampling rate (i.e. how quickly the video info can be dumped from the sensor).
So, you may be on to something with regards to the Digic processors being a bottleneck (which is why the new 1DmkIV apparently has less “jello” due to having more CPU power), but I will be shocked if the 5DmkII exhibits more jello effect with the new firmware.
But if you’re concerned about the extent of the jello effect on the 5DmkII, then maybe you should modify your filming style to use the camera’s strengths and avoid it’s weaknesses, or buy a high-end dedicated cinema camera if you can’t (or won’t) do that.
Besides… the 5D is a stills camera first, and a first-rate one at that. The fact that it can do video is a bonus. If you want something that is a video camera first, well… go buy a dedicated video camera. And if you want a true convergent camera that has both excellent stills and video capability for $3,000, you’ll have to wait a couple of years. In the meantime, the rest of us are pretty happy with the 5D.
(My somewhat non-sincere appologies for being a bit snippy in this response, but I’m tired of reading snarky comments from people about how crappy the 5DmkII is – there are at least a few of us who use that camera on a daily basis, for both stills and video, that are very pleased with the results it gives).
Just another person complaining about something he doesn’t own. Trust me, if you don’t own the Mark II, you’re not going to own the Mark III. You’re pretending to be in a position you’ll never be in, if you had the funds, you’d already have the Mark II and know how awesome it is, rather than complaining about having to wait for the Mark III, just because you want the newest technology. If that’s your buying motive, what’s gonna stop you from delaying your purchase until the Mark IV, or Mark V? Like I said, you’re never gonna get the Mark III…
I could bet that the release date of the firmware will be closely around the date when Nikon releases the D700s or D700x.
another thankyou to Canon for adding this feature.
ps. It would be nice if 720p was added too!
Let me guess. You own the 2 year old 5DMII and can’t stand the notion of why someone would not go out and get one two years later.
Like my PC, I upgrade to the newest camera technology in my budget when I’m ready to upgrade.
I must have struck a nerve by saying the 5DMII contains obsolete technology. Don’t fret, it’s not a criticism and you can still proudly show your 5DMII to your friends. Technology component obsolescence is a normal occurrence.
I made a petition about that, please everybody sign it: http://www.PetitionOnline.com/Canon5D/petition.html
thanks
Please everybody have a look at this petition: http://www.PetitionOnline.com/Canon5D/petition.html
it is about minimum shutter speed and auto iso.
Thanks
+1
What about a firmware update for being able to shoot at 60fps in 720p mode like the 7D does?
I find this is one of the best speeds to capture fluid motion in video action.
@Chuck:
First of all, it’s been less than one year since the 5DmkII came out (not two years), and it’s hardly obsolete, even by the loosest definition of “obsolete”.
In fact, I’d argue that your 30D isn’t obsolete either – as long as you can buy lenses, batteries, and memory cards for it, it isn’t obsolete. Neither are 35mm film cameras obsolete if you can still buy lenses and film for the camera model, and still process and print the photographs taken with it.
Now, you may want a higher spec’d camera (more pixels, larger sensor, higher ISO range, etc.), but that is very different than saying the 30D (or 5DmkII, for that matter) is obsolete. The 30D produces excellent photographs, and it will continue to produce excellent photographs even if 100MP full-frame sensors with ISO 10,000,000 cameras become the norm…
Hell, even the terrible crappy 3MP camera on my mobile phone isn’t obsolete – I can certainly view and print the JPEGs it creates. If I can no longer export photos from my phone, or if JPEG eventually becomes an unknown format, then yes – then it would be obsolete.
It’s not like the computer analogy that everyone always trots out. Computers do rapidly become obsolete, and need replacement as computing demands increase (new programs, operating systems, technology, etc.). Cameras, on the other hand, only become obsolete when they can no longer produce usable photographs.
Now, daguerreotypes, however, one could make an argument for being obsolete technology…
Got it. The 5DMarkII is a fantastic camera and not two but less than on year old. I’m not entirely on board with your definition of technology obsolescence but maybe it’s because my 21 years as an engineer at Intel has me out of touch. At least we now know the disagreement was based on the hot button term “obsolescence” applied to the 5D Mark II!
I’ll go by the Wikipedia definition : “Technical obsolescence may occur when a new product or technology supersedes the old, and it becomes preferred to utilize the new technology in place of the old”.
I use 3rd party batteries as well as Canon branded ones without any problem.
If you have battery grip, you can put one of each and your camera will tell you the battery level, which will decrease according the use of both, so it’s a good trick I use to know the level even using one 3rd party battery :)
About weather sealing and all that stuff, we never asked such things that obviously requires hardware changes…
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The “5D Mark II crew” has done something that will benefit 5D Mk II users, BUT ALSO other users too, drawing a new path of communication between Canon and customers.
Never happened before to have two updates for a camera BECAUSE of users requests… (remember “By Popular Demand” on the Manual Control update, and now the official press release -link at 5dmark2 blog-)
So don’t be “rude” :)
Even now we are going to keep on requesting, yes, because there is no specific details about the firmware, and because it’s announced to be available on “first half of 2010″….
The ONLY VALID reason why they could need such a delay is because they could be working to include some other features (hopefully MAGIC LANTERN’S or similar). Otherwhise it’s a MARKETING strategy (which we accept in the business arena, but doesn’t make users happy)
But anyway we should thank Canon for “saying a word”, and thank all 5D2 users for making Canon to announce something long before the release. It’s something you don’t usually see… (if you ever saw before…)
– WE KEEP ON REQUESTING, since the camera has huge potential and there is no specific details on upcoming firmware, and LOT of possible improvements (via Firmware, we don’t request any hardware change).
We assume that it will implement the STANDARD frame rates, “29.97fps” for “30p” mode included… but better to be sure.
CHECK THE REFERENCE LIST TO SEE WHAT CAN MOSTLY BE DONE by Firmware Update:
– http://5dmark2.wordpress.com/2009/10/20/24p-25p-update-announcement/
– http://5dmark2.wordpress.com/2009/09/28/5d-mark-ii-features-request/
SPECIAL THANKS TO CANON RUMORS to let us spread this Campaign to other Canon users which are not so familiarized with video forums and sites.
We are completely sure that these actions are making impact in future models and Canon’s attitude to customers too. So every part will benefit.
*edits wikipedia*
Hmm wikipedia says that I’m the newest president of the United States, and Wiki says it, so everyone must bow down and accept without question, NAO!
Chuck is right, though, he worked at Intel as a “Sanitorial Engineer” He was dubbed “Yuck the Yanitor”. He then moved up the korporate ladder to become an “Economics Reserve Engineer”…behind the REGISTER at Carl Jr!
CanON rules TEH universe, nikoff sucks, and I WANT A 5D MARK 2!! I WAS SOO CLOSEE!!! My cosigner backed out like a CAT, and DAMM YOU WORST BUY!!! I WANT my Zune HD as well!! Damm KARP for refusing to sign while I was at school!!!
No problem then, just buy the camera who’s technology supersedes the 5DmkII in the $2500 price range.
Oh, and the “I’m an engineer” argument is akin to “my Dad can beat up your Dad”. Seriously, let it go.
+1
Oh boy. Had no idea I was dealing with teenagers
KoKoKriz and Aussie. Should have guessed.
Ok, I’m sorry Mr. Chuck. I didn’t mean to tear you up verbally, but you have to admit I got you good! I was just being youthful and energetic.
Anywhoo I wish I had a Kanon Five Dee Mark Too, DARN!!!
And I’m not a teen anymore, just graduated into YOUNG adulthood *young and nimble thumbs up*
PS: nikoff sux
That would never happen.
oops, didn’t mean to get ppl to trash on you so much chuck, but seriously, it’s evident that you’re NEVER going to own a Canon 5D Mark X. You’re in fantasy land, pretending that you have interest but you don’t, cuz if you did, you’d see the good things about the camera and quit seeing the cup as half empty when the camera rocks! The Mark II is still relatively new, I don’t know why you are even trying to say it’s too old to interest a “state of the art” type of guy as yourself. Professionals love the camera, ppl that own the camera love it, if you don’t and you don’t own it, it’s cuz you’re a window shopper and you’re probably always gonna be one. It’s not a bad thing, I’m just stating the facts, you’re NEVER gonna own a Canon 5D Mark X, so quit fronting like you’re “just waiting”
this would be extremely useful, I signed it…
If you’re happy with this in your footage:
http://www.brawnf1blog.com/GH1/nocturnealiasing1a.jpg
Then bless you my friend, enjoy your purchase! Sorry you got a bunch of sand in your ‘gina about my post. I’m just tired of people thinking this vdslr is the second coming of christ, when they have very real problems that need to be addressed – before going into production. But for awesome low-light cat videos on vimeo – knock yourself out!
All i’m hoping for in a new firmware release is to allow customization of the dials (like the 7D) Why they can’t keep the aperture dial consistently in one location? switching dials among different shooting modes drives me nuts… i use Aperture-priority in stills and M in video. It’s so inconvenient to switch dials…
Are you sure the 2 processor inside the 7D are only for video capabilities? I have read it was in big part for the 8fps shooting, but I don’t know much about technologie… Anyway, having both, I prefer the movie I get with the 5D, the dynamic range on the 7D don’t seem to be as good to me…
Same here – no more toys for bigboys:)
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Wonder if 24 fps will start looking too filmlike during panning. I notice that panning at 30 fps looks better than the panning I’ve done with film. You have to pan slower at 24 fps. A lot slower.
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Any one know if 5d firmware update (spring time apparently) will enable 60fps (as available on the 7D) option as well as 24/25?