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I received a tip today that Canon is developing a new pro camcorder that will have an EF mount.

The tipster wasn't 100% sure it would come to market on the next camcorder, but that it existed.

70-200 f/2.8L IS II
Some sample images from the newest 70-200 from Canon.

http://lenstip.com/1806-news-Canon_EF_70-200_mm_f_2.8L_IS_II_USM_-_sample_pictures.html

thanks Hanif

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  • This makes sense in many ways to take on Sony. Sony has a model that tales Alpha lenses.

  • well the image of the 70-200 f2.8 II are not so sharp

    i give a look at the exif
    is more sharp my 70-200 f2.8

  • This camcorder is still in development and will adopt MPEG-2 Full HD 4:2:2 filed-based recording codec with video industry-standard editing and processing software, high-quality imaging and audio performance (with up to 50 Mbps data recording), and twice the colour data of HDV profile formats.

  • Just as it is with Canon’s EF-to-XL adapter for the Canon XL-1/1s/1H, I don’t understand the purpose of Sony’s Alpha lens adapter for the HVR-Z7E. The amount of magnification you get when using those lenses makes it pretty useless to me personally.

    Unless this new rumored Canon camcorder sports a 35mm-sized sensor, I don’t see what good mounting EF lenses on it would do, since EF lenses aren’t exactly designed with the kind of ergonomics necessary for video acquisition.

  • If it is indeed the new 70-200mm II…….I am very disappointed. Its a shame !!! Now I realize no wonder my brother in law said Canon did not “redesign” the lens but they just add few UD and FL element on the old design instead of re-engineer it. I will NOT purchase this lens just because Canon think they can make us to pay $2500 to “upgrade”. Forget it !

  • Hmm.. really isn’t very sharp at 2.8, don’t see the point in this lens at the moment.

  • The images posted of the Olympic Ices skaters at a news conference are really Sharp. I would like to see images compared from the old lens and the new lens

  • I have to agree that none of those images are particularly sharp.

    I am assuming that they are straight from camera JPEGs and not converted from RAW – if it were the latter I would understand.

    I’d need to see more examples, but money aside, I think based on those I will stick with my MK1.

  • yea… i was wondering if I was missing something but those images dont look all that impressive

  • not only that, but there’s some CA and a bit of barrel distortion that’s noticeable..
    to think I sold my version 1 to get this..
    now I’m thinking of getting the f4L IS instead..

  • Weird, although the blog is dated May 2010, I just noticed the posted date was Jan 2009…maybe the guy is calling the 7D the 60D..

    Bah

  • Thanks for the info but you could pretty much guess all of that and be right just from industry standards right now and how a cmos chip works

  • If the camera has a FF sensor and interchangeable lens should cost at least € 7000 body only, and similar brightness to 1d then start at 9.000 euros

  • I think the author didn’t use sharpness set to 7 (seven).

    If you look to other images from sharp lenses, they are not so sharp either

  • 4:2:2 isn’t what I would call “pro”.
    I own the 5D2 (also 4:2:2) and the effect of the chroma subsampling is really, really awful.

    I also own a number of L lenses. This camcorder using an EF mount if really great, but I won’t even consider buying it unless it is 4:4:4. The L range of lenses cater for imagers of 6000 odd rows, so that investment would be wasted on something that effectively records only 960 colour rows.

    I hope the imager in this camcorder will be about 9-10MP (by conventional benchmarks), otherwise it won’t be able to record 1080P at true RGB per pixel and sub sampling would be inherent.

    The lenses with ring USM motors lend themselves for quick autofocus, but I wonder how such a camcorder will be able to capitalise on that?

  • for sure it’s going to be a small sensor, 2/3 inch max … building a motorized zoom for 35mm sensor (with constant focus) is too expensive, and the targeted market of the new camera without a zoom available would be too small, only indies … so let’s squeeze the sensor, and for us, say bye bye to wide angles. A camera for bird lovers ??

  • This is simply not true.

    The 5D2 records H.264 with 4:2:0 color space.

    There are very few cameras that record in 4:4:4 and they are all very high-end cameras, many many times more expensive than the 5D2. 4:2:2 is very much “pro” and seen in many pro cameras.

  • Yeah, there is very much more to CODECS and compression than just the colour subsampling rate.

    4:2:2 can be very, very good (plenty of colour information).

    It is the other aspects of the CODEC and the compression used that make the big differences.

  • Call me pixel peeper, but if these are representative of the whole batch – thanks, but no thanks. I’m sticking with my 70-200 f/4 IS.

  • There is clearly something wrong with the pictures. A consumer level zoom is capable of that kind of sharpness and I doubt that Canon has got the nerve to release an inferior replacement version and charge more for it.. Especially not when it is their best selling professional lens we’re talking about here. It’s not like they are going to continue the production of the Mk.I. So unless this is at least as good as the previous version they’ll lose a huge market.

    My guess is that it’s a lens/body problem and that the good people at lenstip should have done some micro focus adjustments to it. Front focusing could easily explain the bad IQ.

    Still, you can’t be sure so it’s bad news for me. I was going to buy this lens as soon as it hits the market (which should be any day now in Europe) but now I’ll have to wait for some serious reviews to make sure that these pictures weren’t representative. I’m not inclined to buy the Mk.I version. If I’m about to spend a considerable amount of money on a lens, I want it to be the latest technology.

    Regardless, this doesn’t put Canon into a too good light. You have a pro body (1Ds Mk.III) coupled with a pro lens and get crap results. Not too impressive.

  • Probably BS, and yet…

    Those dates would be in the middle of WPPI and a few days before the big new PI+ Expo in Japan that starts on the 13th. Personally, I think we’re done until the summer holiday compact announcements and Photokina for the serious toys, but I’ll gladly be proven wrong on that!

  • It’s not a blog.

    It was a spoof.

    A joke, making fun of all the hyper-analysis and hand-wringing.

  • Is the RED killer coming?

    The demand for low cost large sensor camcorders with professional features and faster data rates has not been lost on Canon. They undoubtedly have been working on a FF camcorder since the 5D MK II became popular.

    I wonder if it includes features for slaving two together to make 3D images.

  • It might be able to take EF-s lenses if the sensor is smaller.
    Then you will have UWA.

  • The reviews from pros at the 2010 games were that it was very sharp(scary sharp), I would not put much weight behind these sample pics.

  • well, i give him the benefit of the doubt: maybe he just got a bad lens, otherwise uhoh that would be a tremendous waste of money. (conclusion: get an ixus :D)

  • Hey J-Man, do you have any links or pics from these pros? That would be awesome :) For 2500, the pics better be sharper than that… :-/

  • I have the f/4 IS, and have been waiting to get a f/2,8 that I dont have to stop down to f/4. But it seems that the f/4 IS still is the best option around! (half the waight of the 2,8 and more sharp).

  • I heard from a Canon camcorder dealer in France the same rumors : Canon will announce at NAB 2010 the killer camcorder !! Something like the 5D/1D video capabilities in a professionnal camcorder body and price like the Sony Ex3 !!

  • The point is that less than stellar sharpness at f/2.8 is better than motion blur or excessive DOF at f/4. The f/2.8 lens is much sharper at f/2.8 than the f/4 lens is.

  • Sorry, I think you are right. I was under the impression the 5D2 recorded 4:2:2 (I don’t know how). Whatever it is, the video on the 5D2 is rather naff (by HD standards).

    Reducing the subsampling certainly would be better, but I still think subsampled video wouldn’t match the capabilities of the EF L lenses.

    The rest of my post is still valid, but I’ll shut my gob and wait to see what it looks like, if it happens. Fingers crossed!

  • I think this copy of 70-200 is broken .. this cannot be real since latest Nikkor 70-200 is close to fix focal lens this is close or even worse than kit lens. :P

  • let´s us all whine for more and more MP cams, they´ll give it, but then dont whine about poor quality soft pics with those crappy lenses they give you.

  • motion blur? you are joking right?.
    i dont think that building was shaking and neither do i think at 1/6400 sec and 1/3200 sec hand shake matters .after all those FL problem bashing of the nikon´s new 70-200 this is all we get from canon?.
    no wonder the system as a whole is getting better and better on the other side of the fence!!!

  • As an owner of the original 70-200 f/2.8L IS, I was quickly relieved to see these sample images – I was expecting better sharpness, especially at 200mm. Looks like the original is a keeper! :)

  • I guess the 70-200 mkII samples are like a cheap lens. The kid jumping is like not freezed but the exif says 1/8000. ImageStabilizer problems??
    I can’t check the focus on the kid and in no other place in the picture!

  • Dude, you obviously don’t pay attention much to comments. Koogle will always say something retarded. No doubt about it.

  • Unfortunately, no.
    Canon will show a more “evolutionary” than revolutionary camcorder at NAB this year:
    http://www.dvinfo.net/features/canon-reveals-their-next-pro-video-cam.html

    That EF-mount rumor has been around for a year!
    http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/30/canon-working-on-dslr-based-pro-video-camera/

    Developing an entirely new camcorder takes time. (Look at RED Scarlet – almost 2 years and counting.) I heard that Canon was taken by surprise by the 5D´s success in the video-market. So I don´t expect them to come out with such a camcorder so soon. Maybe next year.

    So don´t get too excited yet. It will take Canon some more time to develop a large CMOS sensor that does not have the heavy rolling shutter/aliasing issues we see in their current DSLRs.
    They´ll get there eventually but I´d be surprised if they introduced two different new prosumer-camcorders at NAB this year.

  • This is clearly not going to be the pictures produced by 70-200 mk2. compare with the photos from the 2010 games, the result was so different.

  • The point of an f/2.8 lens is that there are conditions where an f/4 lens just cannot cut it. That there exist conditions where it makes no difference at all which one you use does not mean that the f/2.8 lens is pointless. That someone wants to take pictures of buildings at f/2.8 and 1/6400s is pointless.

  • The link to the samples doesn’t work anymore. Probably for a good reason, as they can’t be representative for this lens. I’d say FF, a lemon or both.

  • Okay an updated notification from lenstip:

    “Canon EF 70-200 mm f/2.8L IS II USM – sample pictures

    About one hour before I received a phone call from Canon Poland. I was informed that Canon EF 70-200 mm f/2.8L IS II USM lens, which was sent us for testing (with full permission for publishing the results) was pre-production sample. We were asked for removing the sample pictures from our site.

    I am really surprised. The full test of the lens was already made. I have analyzed it and started to work on the text. I was going to publish it this week. The lens scored high. It was sharper than previous version, had lower vignetting, low CA, worked better against bright light and, what important, a cooperation with TC 1.4x was improved significantly.

    The sample pictures, according to our standard procedure, were taken with zero sharpening. It could be a reason of interpreting the samples as poor but in fact they were of very good quality.

    We are promised to get a new and final lens sample as soon as possible.”

  • can we be a bit more civilized here?
    everyone knows that Ron is a dumb fanboy but do you need to flame him?

  • Actually as is being rapidly shown, no part of your post was correct. Your assertion about the required number of pixels to avois subsampling has no validity. Non- Pixel shifted 3 chip camcorders can sample every pixel in full res color, yet the can be (and often are) 4:1:1 or 4:2:0. The problem with three chip configs is the huge amount of light loss involved in using a prism block, plus the lack of a true focal plane and the deeper depth of field they tend to provide. All single chip camera’s including all the most expensive 4:4:4 ones you were referring to use single chip Bayer pattern sensors. This is the same thing as still cameras (aka all canon SLR bodies) use. yet I don’t see your insistance that the 5DmkII have 60 Meaga Pixels to produce a “true” 21 MegaPixel image. I suspect much of the “erors” that you are calling sub sampling is a result of Interframe or temporal compression arrors and artifacts.

  • Bob,
    i agree with you, but my point is what´s the logic of increasing MP count when you cant biuld a decent zoom lens which can take advantage of those great sensor´s resolution.

    i mean no matter what the aperture is f4 and even f5.6, they are all so soft they could have been taken with a 60 $ kit lens.
    it´s nowhere near to the sharpness of the first version test pics on the same website.
    if this new design lens was to beat the nikon on sharpness then it looks like it´s a fail (from those samples),but if the purpose was to match nikons on price then it´s a big win :-)

  • Yeah significant updates like these?,

    Nikon 70-200 2.8 VR2 – SHORTYYY :-)
    Canon 70-200 2.8 IS2 – SOFTYYYY ;-)

  • Oh poor Ron grew up hearing that name all day long.everyone calls him by that name so he think it´s a good name to call strangers too :-)))))))
    poor ronnieboy ,oye oye oye oye

  • Lenstip must be joking. With or without sharpening: the sample pics ARE poor. Even my “coke-bottle” 28-135mm IS is much sharper unsharpened.

  • They have updated the notification once again:
    “We apologize for removing the gallery with sample images from Canon EF 70-200 mm f/2.8L IS II USM lens. The lens was the pre-production sample and did not have final quality. We promise to do a new test with final lens sample as soon as possible.”

  • Every other part of my post was correct “by conventional benchmarks” – I used this wording for a good reason.
    I would be very happy if this alleged camcorder used three imagers (or a special colour microfilter to split the RGB to each photodiode), but I sincerely doubt it (partly for the reasons you gave). This is why I thought it sensible to use a conventional single imager as the benchmark reference.

    A CONVENTIONAL imager cannot record true 1080P RGB per pixel with a resolution of less than 9-10MP – by conventional benchmarks (RGBG over 4 pixels, 3/2 aspect); the detail will just alias out (even with the best demosaic filter applied).

    I specifically bought my 1000D to produce near-true (ignoring the pixel offset) 1936*1288 (2.5MP) images (for 1080P stop motion). That IQ beats the crap out the HD video function of my 5D2, even with much less bandwidth applied (yes I know about the pixel binning and the limited data rate from that imager). A non-rolling shuttered version of that (10MP) on a camcorder, using an FF imager (and EF L lenses), with all the pixels clocked off of course, would be just the ticket. 10MP please!

  • Sony F35 and Panavision Genesis (high end single sensor HD video cameras) that record 4:4:4 or 4:2:2 (selectable) are both RGB stripe CCD sensors, not Bayer pattern.

    RGB stripe is better for post production and effects work because with Bayer pattern, the colour channels have radically different MTF from each other.

  • Hi Fabio the great pig!
    your son Ronniebastard.jr dosent know that you too are one of his father.
    please enlighten him with your piggie brain you Great fat Pig.Dong dong dong dong.:-)))))))

  • so you too are his father? then plz tell your son Ronniebastard that he should not go around calling others `bastard´simply coz he himself dosent know how many fathers he has.
    this is a photography gear site,when someone acts like a fanboy people might say it but then dont start calling them back something rude cos someone tells the truth.
    the saying goes “If it´s dumb like a Fanboy, writes like a fanboy, sounds like a fanboy then it´s a fanboy”
    accept it

    by the way i am atleast writing under the same name unlike you who dosent have a real surname;-))

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