The Canon EOS R6 Mark III is Canon’s Next Full-Frame Release

[GMCPhotographics]

Why not just buy an R5 for the same price?

You have highlighted Canon's greatest competition is in fact from it's own older S/H models. The R6iii has to offer a better overall package of benefits over the older (but higher spec model). EVF resolution is a must, as is buffer size as well as superior AF and higher 14bit fps.
The R5 had one major deficiency in high speed + mode, the raw capture dropped from 12bit to only 10bits. So shoot higher than 8fps and your DR was slightly compromised. Even the R6ii shoots in 14bt RAW across all mechanical / 1st Curtain shutter mode.
Personally, I've not had the need for much fps above 15, but other's needs vary.
I sold me R8 a while back and I'm in need of a 2nd camera body. While I'm tempted to wait and buy a R6iii, a new R6ii is outstanding value right now....for a LOT of camera. If the R6iii isn't going to have a super fast ES readout speed....then I might well go and get another R6ii.....I don't need the resolution bump and that's a big price jump for very little extra cheese. Flippy rear screens....meh....32mp vs 24....meh....higher rez EVF....getting a little bit of my interest....

 

[Eloniel]

You have highlighted Canon's greatest competition is in fact from it's own older S/H models. The R6iii has to offer a better overall package of benefits over the older (but higher spec model). EVF resolution is a must, as is buffer size as well as superior AF and higher 14bit fps.
The R5 had one major deficiency in high speed + mode, the raw capture dropped from 12bit to only 10bits. So shoot higher than 8fps and your DR was slightly compromised. Even the R6ii shoots in 14bt RAW across all mechanical / 1st Curtain shutter mode.
Personally, I've not had the need for much fps above 15, but other's needs vary.
I sold me R8 a while back and I'm in need of a 2nd camera body. While I'm tempted to wait and buy a R6iii, a new R6ii is outstanding value right now....for a LOT of camera. If the R6iii isn't going to have a super fast ES readout speed....then I might well go and get another R6ii.....I don't need the resolution bump and that's a big price jump for very little extra cheese. Flippy rear screens....meh....32mp vs 24....meh....higher rez EVF....getting a little bit of my interest....

Indeed the battle for R6 MK3 will be both against the R6 MK2 and the R5 MK1. So it needs to bridge the gap in between these to cameras to be relevant, if not most people will choose their poison and choose the older model that suits the best their needs.

I really hope the R6 MK3 get an EVF similar to the R5 MK1. I'm sure they will not provide the R5 MK2 EVF.

And the R5 MK3 will most likely provide higher mp (to enhance the gap with the R6 MK3) and the new tilt screen.

 

[Ozarker]

Add a $500 1.4x tc to your $6999 Canon RF 300-600mm and you get a $3300 Sony lens (FE 400-800mm F6.3-8 G OSS).

Except that one cannot use the Sony lens on a Canon camera, sooooo, so what?

 

[P-visie]

The R5 had one major deficiency in high speed + mode, the raw capture dropped from 12bit to only 10bits. So shoot higher than 8fps and your DR was slightly compromised. Even the R6ii shoots in 14bt RAW across all mechanical / 1st Curtain shutter mode.

This is not correct, the original R5 ‘bit depth’ is: “RAW, C-RAW 14 bit (14-bit with Mechanical shutter and Electronic 1st Curtain, 13-bit A/D conversion with H+ mode, 12-bit A/D conversion with Electronic shutter, Canon original RAW 3rd edition)”.

See the specifications on Canon Europe’s website: https://www.canon-europe.com/cameras/eos-r5/specifications/

 

[Exploreshootshare]

A small subset of people were vocal. As always, the people making all the noise stand out.

Hmm, no. On German website there were many, many complaints from different people. sonyalphaforum.de was full of it and even on other generally photography related website the usual "Sony-does-everything-way-better" fanboys were extremely unhappy. It was really untypical, but they are many, many naysayers...

 

[m4ndr4ke]

You’re assuming such competition will ever exist.
I doubt the R5 will be available for long after the R6 III is released.

The R5 Mark II was released over a year ago, they’ll probably discontinue the previous version soon.

 

[mimbu]

Sony a7iv and a7cii sold well not really due to how good those cameras are, it's due to Sony well established the brand in the mirrorless world and YouTube shills promote them well. Canon is definitely lacking when comes to paying shills to speak on social media The recent C50 videos vs Nikon ZR floods was obvious.

You should perhaps consider that Sony has been doing a better job of making cameras YouTubers want to use. The FX3 was completely unmatched (really, totally unchallenged) for years. YEARS. The FX30 is still unmatched. The C50 is promising but time will tell, and of course the FX3 is due for replacement and a considerable upgrade.

It's also not surprising that YouTubers freaked out over the ZR. It's $2k and punches WAY above its weight. It has limitations, but wow, it's a killer camera for that price point. It being somewhat influenced by Red helped with the hype, Red is like crack for YouTubers. In any case, the ZR is not perfect but it's incredibly impressive for the price point. Considering it's Nikon's first ever effort in the compact cine world, I can only imagine very good things will follow. Helped along by Nikon not having any high end cine gear they need to protect.

Competition is good for us consumers, and I'm very happy that Canon and Nikon seem to have finally woken up a little.

Where do you get the idea that R6 R6ii have problems with image quality? MP isn't everything. And based on what C50 is, R6iii will be in the 30+MP club while maintaining readout speed like R6ii.

It's more what Canon has likely done with the R6iii, but time will tell. Canon has still refused to go to a BSI sensor in the R6 which means it's starting at a disadvantage already. Cranking up the readout speed brings more noise and lower DR. A properly implemented partially stacked sensor can help with this, but it isn't a full solution. (Nikon did a poor job with the partially stacked IMX820 in the Z6iii, Panasonic has done it much better in the S1ii. Nikon seems to have done better with it in the ZR but we need full reviews from CineD to know for sure.)

 

[mimbu]

Hmm, no. On German website there were many, many complaints from different people. sonyalphaforum.de was full of it and even on other generally photography related website the usual "Sony-does-everything-way-better" fanboys were extremely unhappy. It was really untypical, but they are many, many naysayers...

Forums are a tiny, tiny subset of the market and they are not representative of the wider population. Most camera owners never go near a forum. It's the specturbators and pixel peepers that spend too much time on forums.

 

[mimbu]

Here you have video from Sony Ambassador, a wedding photographer, saying basically that A7IV silent shutter is unusable for weddings. Even if A7IV is a great camera (I had one and loved it) the slow readout limits certain photography types. This may not affect you, still may affect others.

I'm in 24Mpix / fast readout camp. I'm photographing events where silent shutter is a prerequisite, and A7IV gave distracting banding, while R6 was good enough.

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If he is having such severe problems with lighting then an A9iii is going to be the best option for him. Or he can buy a Canon or Nikon camera with a global shutter sensor. (Or maybe not.)

Most people do not face that degree of problem, and of course most people buying an a7 IV are not wedding photographers.

 

[mimbu]

Add a $500 1.4x tc to your $6999 Canon RF 300-600mm and you get a $3300 Sony lens (FE 400-800mm F6.3-8 G OSS).

Somehow $7k feels optimistic for a big white L. It will be very interesting to see where it lands. (If you really want to cry, that 400-800 is only $1900 brand new in Japan...)

I am curious how the new 300-600L will perform compared to the fairly low cost Sony 200-600G and Nikon 180-600, and how the 300-600+TC will compare to the 400-800 too.

I also expect that a replacement for the 200-600G is still coming. I don't think the 400-800G will be the only long zoom in the lineup.

 

[mimbu]

I expect a price and quality closer to the 100-300.

And herein lies the problem of only having "L" instead of having two distinct levels like G and GM.

If this lens is a VCM-level "L" lens (ie Sony G) then $6500-$7000 makes sense in the Canon world. However if it's a real big white full-fat "L" then I agree, $7k seems.....optimistic.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

The cost of production of stacked sensors is still high. It's a difficult process that has low yields compared to basic FSI or BSI sensor production. We are not at the point where a mass market camera in at the R6 price level will get a stacked sensor. It may never happen.

We are not that far away.
The R3 is a little over $4K USD.
Making a version without the grip, CF Express, Eye control, and a few other things would drop the price quite a bit.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

It's crazy to me that Canon charges as much for their compromised VCM primes as Sony charges for their flagship GM primes.

Sony makes the same compromises with many GM lenses.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

Sony users are the ones to blame for this.

Maybe not the users, but it was Sony who made stacked sensors and now global shutters a thing with the a9, a1, and a9 III.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

Any idea how much the 300-600 lens might cost?

arm-leg

 

[riker]

My plan is to add a R8 somewhere in the next.

Almost my plan. My wish is to have an R8 V or well actually a photo-focused version with the R50 V form factor.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

Clearly they’re not, as the camera is expected to be released using the same sensor as the C50.

The 6-series was never made of high resolution bodies, the 5-series is.
The mirrorless 6-series, so far, has been made of super fast, lower resolution cameras.

I wish the R6 III had the stacked CMOS sensor of the R3, but it clearly won’t.

I think maybe mimbo wants something like an R5 S, which has seemingly disappeared from the rumor mill

 

[EOS 4 Life]

Hmm, no. On German website there were many, many complaints from different people. sonyalphaforum.de was full of it and even on other generally photography related website the usual "Sony-does-everything-way-better" fanboys were extremely unhappy. It was really untypical, but they are many, many naysayers...

That is rather typical on Sony Alpha Rumors.
Sony users there mock Canon and Nikon nonstop, but they only like a few Sony cameras and complain about the rest of them.
Somehow, Canon users here assume users of other camera systems are happy.
I see the same amount of complaining everywhere.

 

[riker]

300-600 is instant buy if the price is good
45/1.2 is also instant buy IF the performance is way better than 50/1.8 AND weight is still 350g max. Not that I need 1.2, I'd be happy with 1.4 or even 1.8 if AF performance and IQ is decent.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

You should perhaps consider that Sony has been doing a better job of making cameras YouTubers want to use.

Canon is way more popular on YouTube than people think.
It is just not as popular with YouTubers who talk about cameras.
Sony was the first brand to design cameras specifically for vlogging.
Canon has just recently come aboard with the V10, V1, and R50 V.