Canon EOS RP Officially Discontinued: End of an Era for the Budget Full-Frame

I dearly hope that they will release a new model to replace it. It has been such an easy recommendation for anyone wanting to pick up a first camera. Buy it new on promotion or used from a camera store that offers some time of warranty. Good enough for everything except maybe sports or birds in flight.

There is a room for a very cheap FF camera.
 
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I skipped both the EOS R and EOS RP while I waited for what would turn out to be the EOS R5 just over a year later. However, I have recommended it a lot over the years as an affordable option that will produce great results for photographers.

I also skipped the R and RP and moved from 5D3 to the R5. I planned to skip the 5DIV, but was unconvinced by the R, so waited for R5. Had planned on keeping the 5D3 as second body, but after tasting mirrorless AF, I sold the 5D3 + EF 24-105 f/4 kit for just enough to get a used R. The R turned out to be an awesome camera! Yeah, the R5 is much better in some aspects, but the R is fantastic camera. I ended up buying an RP as well (on a refurb sale) and used it for a light travel kit. It has plenty of compromises, but for FF stills on a budget it is a great option and can use adapted EF lenses with much improved AF, especially third-party lenses.

It is a bit sad to see the budget FF option discontinued, but if that means the R8 will fill that slot, perhaps dropping to the $800 range, afte the R8 II is launched, then it is a very welcome evolution. The RP is an excelent option for budget FF, but at this point with many compromises relative to newer RF cameras. The R8 has much fewer compromises and it would be great to see it stick around as the budget option for many years.
 
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I dearly hope that they will release a new model to replace it. It has been such an easy recommendation for anyone wanting to pick up a first camera. Buy it new on promotion or used from a camera store that offers some time of warranty. Good enough for everything except maybe sports or birds in flight.

There is a room for a very cheap FF camera.
The replacement is called R8. It is not quite in the same spot concerning the price, but it is getting there and it is also far more capable. The RP will be available for months, the price of the R8 will drop even further once the R8mkii is released.

R8 is also a super convenient and easy recommendation.
 
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The replacement ist called R8. It is not quite in the same spot concerning the price, but it is getting and also it far more capable. The RP will be available for months, the price of the R8 will drop even further once the R8mkii is released.

R8 is also a super convenient and easy recommendation.
I hope you are right in that the R8 will become cheap. I had totally forgot the MSRP on lunch for the RP was $1299 body-only. The RP had fallen a lot in price before the R8 launch so the $1499 MSRP made think of it as a tier above and not so much a replacement.
 
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I think it's sad to see any affordable camera leave the stable, but with newer bodies coming in I assume that pricing will eventually correct.

I do have to laugh at this, though:

"We still recommend it to EF shooters who want a full-frame mirrorless camera but have no intentions of replacing all of their EF glass with RF."

I mean, I get what's being said — but that stated, all contemporary bodies only seem to supercharge EF lenses (at least the USM varieties); and with full electronic shutter shooting the slower aperture blades don't hold anything back. I tell everyone with a serious EF stable to go get a modern body.
 
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I hope you are right in that the R8 will become cheap. I had totally forgot the MSRP on lunch for the RP was $1299 body-only. The RP had fallen a lot in price before the R8 launch so the $1499 MSRP made think of it as a tier above and not so much a replacement.
In Germany, the MSRP on launch day for the R8 was 1.799 €. Last November, it was on sale for 999 € on Black Friday (actually for over two weeks) and this was recently repeated with the added gift of a second spare battery and a 128 GB SD card which that cheap anymore. I believe the camera could hit 800-900 € price point but probably not less in the next two years. The RP had so much less to offer which made it slip in price.
 
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I mean, I get what's being said — but that stated, all contemporary bodies only seem to supercharge EF lenses (at least the USM varieties)...I tell everyone with a serious EF stable to go get a modern body.
I shot with the EF 100-400mm L mkii on the 6dii and the AF struggled with slightly higher aperture. I later used it on the EOS R and it worked flawlessly even down to f22. So yeah, I agree with the sentiment. In my experience the same can be said about the EF 16-35mm F4 L, 70-300mm and EF 70-200mm F4 L. Those are the only lenses with which I had a direct comparison. (rented the 6dii for testing it before deciding to purchase the EOS R instead).
 
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In Germany, the MSRP on launch day for the R8 was 1.799 €. Last November, it was on sale for 999 € on Black Friday (actually for over two weeks) and this was recently repeated with the added gift of a second spare battery and a 128 GB SD card which that cheap anymore. I believe the camera could hit 800-900 € price point but probably not less in the next two years. The RP had so much less to offer which made it slip in price.
The RP is usually under €700 here in Portugal, and it has dropped below €500 on last year’s black friday.

Currently is at €649 at the largest national retailer.

I bought mine a year ago, an open box with extra battery and a RF 50mm f/1.8 for €570. Then I sold the lens, since I already had it.

The R8 usually drops to about €1000~1100 (that has been happening for the past two years or so), and that retailer celebrated 30 years in March. On that day, the R8 was available for €840 with an extra battery.
Currently is at €1232 body only, and €1259 with extra battery.
At a photography store it’s currently available for 1180€ with two extra batteries.
 
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In Germany, the MSRP on launch day for the R8 was 1.799 €. Last November, it was on sale for 999 € on Black Friday (actually for over two weeks) and this was recently repeated with the added gift of a second spare battery and a 128 GB SD card which that cheap anymore. I believe the camera could hit 800-900 € price point but probably not less in the next two years. The RP had so much less to offer which made it slip in price.
The R8 offers a lot of value, but even at 1000 euro to 800 euro it is a lot of money compared to a RP bellow 500 € new. That is why I hope they release a successor. Anyway, it will still be available in the used section of many camera stores for bellow 400 € with some months of warranty. I just hope there will always be a affordable path to get in to the RF-system for beginners.
 
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I dearly hope that they will release a new model to replace it. It has been such an easy recommendation for anyone wanting to pick up a first camera. Buy it new on promotion or used from a camera store that offers some time of warranty. Good enough for everything except maybe sports or birds in flight.

There is a room for a very cheap FF camera.
The R8 is the new model. It's already couple of years old and discounted. Considering the competition, it makes no sense to release a model that is better than the RP but worse and significantly cheaper than the R8.
 
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Maybe Im being harsh but good riddance. RP always felt phoned in and overly reliant on its price. R8 costs a little more but is worth the premium. Id argue R50 is a better camera at half the price if you can find the lenses you need for it. RP just carried the disappointing 6D2 into RF mount.

Cheap FF is an oxymoron because if you go with cheap FF lenses youre not much better off than APS-C and if you get good glass you're hampering them with a mediocre body. Again I know RF-S is limited in lens choices but E mount or even Z DX is a better choice than building around the RP IMO
 
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Maybe Im being harsh but good riddance. RP always felt phoned in and overly reliant on its price. R8 costs a little more but is worth the premium. Id argue R50 is a better camera at half the price if you can find the lenses you need for it. RP just carried the disappointing 6D2 into RF mount.

Cheap FF is an oxymoron because if you go with cheap FF lenses youre not much better off than APS-C and if you get good glass you're hampering them with a mediocre body. Again I know RF-S is limited in lens choices but E mount or even Z DX is a better choice than building around the RP IMO
Cheap FF is not an oxymoron. This is one of those gate-keeping opinions that discourages new people from starting photography. Have you actually used cheaper modern RF lenses? The real secret weapon of cheap mirrorless FF is a 30€ SLR mount adapter. It allows new photographers to use all the old lenses relatives has lying in drawers without a crop-factor.
 
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I shot with the EF 100-400mm L mkii on the 6dii and the AF struggled with slightly higher aperture. I later used it on the EOS R and it worked flawlessly even down to f22. So yeah, I agree with the sentiment. In my experience the same can be said about the EF 16-35mm F4 L, 70-300mm and EF 70-200mm F4 L. Those are the only lenses with which I had a direct comparison. (rented the 6dii for testing it before deciding to purchase the EOS R instead).
AF expectation has gone up dramatically with the mirrorless / software based Af systems. Photographers can now do more, have better accuracy and way better tracking. The old chip based AF is slow and pretty much redundant when compared to what even a EOS RP or R8 can do.
I personally don't own any RF glass, my entire lens catalogue (which is quite vast) are all EF lenses. I tried a EOS R when it was launched and didn't like it, it felt too much like a beta camera. When the R5 came out, i tried it and loved it, but it was too expensive and I didn't need 45mp. The R6 was a bit too low res for me to make the jump from my trusty and proven Eos 5Diii's. I bought a R8 just after launch to dip my toe into the newer Canon ecology and was blown away by how far Canon had come with their camera tech. I soon wanted a better version of the R8 and bought a R6ii as my primary camera and my R8 was my second camera. Only recently have I upgraded my R8 to a R6iii (I dallied with a R5 for 6 months, but that's another story).

Most of the RF glass is a wee bit better in some regards to the EF glass. Some of these benefits are marginal and others are quite dramatic. However, if you already have great EF glass and it's giving you great results (and it's paid for) then it's free and doesn't cost you anything. Where as the RF lenses are expensive for sometime very little benefits for the cost.

For example, the EF 100-400 f5.6 LIS II vs the RF 100-500mm f7.1 LIS. Sure the newer lens is slightly lighter, longer and it's AF is a bit better too. However optically, the old one is brighter and equally sharp. In the UK, the nwer lens retails at around £2.5K, the trade in for a the EF lens is often quite low, maybe £800 in trade in. So I would still need to find £1.7K, which is a LOT for something that's only a bit better than my existing lens.
Other lenses like the RF 50mm f1.4 VCM L and the RF 24mm f1.4 VCM L have no direct EF lens comparision that is worth mentioning.

Some lenses like the EF 11-24mm f4 L are amazing performers and gain the option of using drop in filters behind the lens when using a EF to R adapter. This means that a large and bulbous lens like this can use filters very efficiently when crossing the EF to R mount divide. It's RF equivelent is the sublime RF 10-20mm L. Which is a stunning little lens. It's a little wider, not as long and it looses the drop in adapter option (obviously). But it is so much smaller and easier to use than the giant EF version. Sure, the EF version doesn't rely on corner stretching / math geometric correction, but compare the size difference and it's a night and day experiance. As you can see, you gain some features and loose some others. it's not quite a like for like comparison.
 
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AF expectation has gone up dramatically with the mirrorless / software based Af systems. I don't own any RF glass, my entire lens catalogue (which is quite vast) are all EF lenses. I tried a EOS R and didn't like it, it felt too much like a beta camera. I tried the R5 and love it, but it was too expensive and the R6 was a bit too low res for me to make the jump from my trusty and proven Eos 5Diii's. I bought a R8 just after launch to dip my toe into the newer Canon ecology and was blown away by how far Canon had come with their tech. I soon wanted a better version of the R8 and bought a R6ii as my primary camera and my R8 was my second camera. Only recently have I upgraded my R8 to a R6iii (I dallied with a R5 for 6 months, but that's another story).
When I started reading the first couple of lines, I immediately thought: the r6iii must be for you :) turns out, it is :)
Most of the RF glass is a wee bit better in some regards to the EF glass. Some of these benefits are marginal and others are quite dramatic. However, if you already have great EF glass and it's giving you great results (and it's paid for) then it's free and doesn't cost you anything. Where as the RF lenses are expensive for sometime very little benefits for the cost.
Of course, a one to one comparison between the lenses is necessary, but also your lens collection as a whole. When I upgraded from APS to full frame (EOS R) I owned four EF lenses and two RF lenses. But, after going on a six-week trip I was fed up with the mixed EF/ RF collection. The biggest pain for me of having EF and RF was handling the adapter. Sometimes, I just left the adapter on the camera, other times I had to look for it in my bag because it was still on different lens and so on and so forth... it really got my nerves. I then had three choices:
1. all native RF lenses
2. all EF lenses and keep the adapter on the camera
3. buy an adapter for every EF lens used.
4. keep one EF lens with one adapter

In the end (long story) I opted for no. 1 although I started with no. 4.
For example, the EF 100-400 f5.6 LIS II vs the RF 100-500mm f7.1 LIS. Sure the newer lens is slightly lighter, longer and it's AF is a bit better too. However optically, the old one is brighter and equally sharp. In the UK, the nwer lens retails at around £2.5K, the trade in for a the EF lens is often quite low, maybe £800 in trade in.
I traded the EF 100-400mm for the 100-500mm. I did pay a premium, but it was absolutely ok because I got the RF for a great price (with discounts, great currency exchange and before all the price hikes) and due to the pandemic I even got more money for my 100-400mm then I originally paid for. Nowadays, the value of the EF version has declined and the RF had some price hikes... I couldn't/ wouldn't want to do it again concerning financials.

Concerning the lenses itself: Saving more than 10% of the weight (1750gr vs 1530gr), four times vs five times zoom, with TC additional 200mm range, slight faster AF (imo) were worth the money.

At that point, I thought that would have been my only upgrade because the RF 14-35mm had an RRP of 1.819 € at launch in Germany. That was 2,5 times the money I paid for the EF 16-35mm. Sure, better magnification, 2mm wider, less weight (especially with the adapter) were intriguing, but the price wasn't. It was only by chance that I got the RF version on a refurbished sell-out sale and the upgrade cost me slight less than 300 €. To cover that I ditched the Sigma, the EF 50mm and the adapter as well and bought the 85mm F2 from the extra money. I think I actually had some money left.

All in all, my EF to RF tranistion went - financially speaking - pretty smoothly with only losing one lens in total and a manageable amount of money. But this is a very individual case because I didn't have a big EF portfolio.
So I would still need to find £1.7K, which is a LOT for something that's only a bit better than my existing lens.
Other lenses like the RF 50mm f1.4 VCM L and the RF 24mm f1.4 VCM L have no direct EF lens comparision that is worth mentioning.

Some lenses like the EF 11-24mm f4 L are amazing performers and gain the option of using drop in filters behind the lens when using a EF to R adapter. This means that a large and bulbous lens like this can use filters very efficiently when crossing the EF to R mount divide. It's RF equivelent is the sublime RF 10-20mm L. Which is a stunning little lens. It's a little wider, not as long and it looses the drop in adapter option (obviously). But it is so much smaller and easier to use than the giant EF version. Sure, the EF version doesn't rely on corner stretching / math geometric correction, but compare the size difference and it's a night and day experiance.
This one is though. I don´t own either lens, but I imagine the decision could be hard: keep the EF with the ability to add filters or carry a soooo much lighter and wider lens. You win some features, you lose some features :) (as you said)

As you can see, you gain some features and loose some others. it's not quite a like for like comparison.
I am currently looking at macro lenses: the decision is between the EF 100mm F2.8 L and the RF 100mm F2.8. Do I really need the magnification of 1,4:1? Is it worth a premium of about 400-600 €? I don't think so because I am not that much into macro... only thing with the EF... I need an adapter once again... grrrr
 
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Of course, a one to one comparison between the lenses is necessary, but also your lens collection as a whole. When I upgraded from APS to full frame (EOS R) I owned four EF lenses and two RF lenses. But, after going on a six-week trip I was fed up with the mixed EF/ RF collection. The biggest pain for me of having EF and RF was handling the adapter. Sometimes, I just left the adapter on the camera, other times I had to look for it in my bag because it was still on different lens and so on and so forth... it really got my nerves. I then had three choices:
1. all native RF lenses
2. all EF lenses and keep the adapter on the camera
3. buy an adapter for every EF lens used.
4. keep one EF lens with one adapter
That's a good list of solutions to each use case scenario. I'm not currently in this situation because all my glass is EF mount. However, I need a walkabouts ultra wide (RF 10-20 L looks so sweet) and I do fancy a few of the RF portrait primes. The RF 85mm f1.2 L and RF 50mm f1.2 L come to mind.
I've considered the above scenarios previously and because I'm a 2 camera body user, I will probably put the EF adapter on one camera and use taht as my EF lens camera and then go R mount native lenses on my other camera. With one caveat, I'd still have a spare Ef to R adapter in my gear bag, just in case.
 
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Some lenses like the EF 11-24mm f4 L are amazing performers and gain the option of using drop in filters behind the lens when using a EF to R adapter. This means that a large and bulbous lens like this can use filters very efficiently when crossing the EF to R mount divide. It's RF equivelent is the sublime RF 10-20mm L. Which is a stunning little lens. It's a little wider, not as long and it looses the drop in adapter option (obviously). But it is so much smaller and easier to use than the giant EF version. Sure, the EF version doesn't rely on corner stretching / math geometric correction, but compare the size difference and it's a night and day experiance. As you can see, you gain some features and loose some others. it's not quite a like for like comparison.
I had the EF 11-24/4, and I held off purchasing the RF 10-20/4 in part because of the drop-in filter capability of the adapter. But there came a day when packing for a trip and trying to force the massive 11-24/4 into a nearly full bag, that I ordered the 10-20/4 when I got back. I bring the 10-20/4 along far more often than I did the 11-24, because of the smaller size and lighter weight.

One thing to keep in mind with the drop-in filter behind the 11-24/4 is that the utility of the stock filters is limited by the ultrawide angle of view. A CPL can be useful for taming reflections, but you'll get uneven polarization of the sky. Likewise, the vND shows artifacts at ultrawide angles (for the same reason – a vND is essentially multiple polarizers. The filter that I use the most is a 10-stop ND, and for that I can use the gel slot on the rear of the 10-20/4.
 
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