Canon PowerShot Pro1X [CR1]

[Canon Rumors]

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<strong>APS-C Compact Camera?


</strong>We received a small comment that Canon will finally resurrect the “Pro” moniker for a PowerShot camera soon. The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_PowerShot_Pro1" target="_blank">Canon PowerShot Pro1</a> was a very popular enthusiast compact camera that was launched in 2004.</p>
<p>The camera will apparently be called the Canon PowerShot Pro1X and will have the same 18mp sensor as the Canon EOS Rebel T4i/650D and EOS-M.</p>
<p>New source, grain of salt on this one.</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">c</span>r</strong></p>

 

[DzPhotography]

I like the idea...

 

[Woody]

It would be weird to have both this camera and the G1X in the lineup at the same time.

In 2004, Canon announced the Pro 1 on Feb 9th and the G6 on Aug 19th. It's not impossible for both cameras to co-exist at the same time.

I am not surprised by Canon's move to introduce another APS-C compact camera. In their latest financial report:
http://www.canon.com/ir/results/2012/rslt2012q2e.pdf
they state "As for compact digital cameras, models launched this spring offering high image quality and networking capabilities have supported healthy sales growth."

 

[RLPhoto]

Canon has too many High-end compact systems already. I doubt this one will amount to anything.

 

[paul13walnut5]

I loved the pro1 and sold a few when i worked in the camera shop, would have had one but already had dimage A2, think they would be better with a compact fast L zoom for the eos m...

The pro1 had a tiny sensor compared to the g1x and aps-c. Would be hard to replicate range quality and size for bigger csmeras.

 

[preppyak]

Canon has too many High-end compact systems already. I doubt this one will amount to anything.

My thoughts exactly. So they'd have a G1x that retails at $800 w a smaller sensor. The eos-m at $800 with the aps-c sensor, the t4i body at 849, and then this in that price range as well? Gonna confuse the hell out of consumers

 

[EvillEmperor]

Wow, I almost purchased the pro1 a little while ago. I wanted to get it because it has a L lens in it. If they include an l lens in this one, then I may actually get it.

 

[briansquibb]

APS-C will be used more and more for the compact cameras and less and less for the DSLR

That is the smell of the coffee

 

[nicku]

Canon has too many High-end compact systems already. I doubt this one will amount to anything.

The pro1 series was and probably will be equipped with high quality L glass; none of the canon mirrorless or big sensor compact cameras has this type of lens.

Another rumor that in my opinion make sense.

 

[paul13walnut5]

@nicku
Can you give me a definitive definition of what uniquely constitutes L glass?
What is the common factor other than L and the red stripe?

There are non Ls that are better than Ls and there are Ls that are better than anything.

It's not aspherics or apos. It's not flourite. It's not weather sealing.

(whisper this... it's mar-ket-ing)

I have owned and will own great L glass, I'm not dissing it.

Just the L glass bit, doesn't actually mean anything.

Doesn't stand for anything, represent, guarantee whatever.

I'm backing the small form compact high quality zoom for the Pro1 successor.

Unless it has a really tiny sensor like in the old days. Which would make about as much sense as a pentax Q.

That is.. not much.

 

[RLPhoto]

Canon has too many High-end compact systems already. I doubt this one will amount to anything.

The pro1 series was and probably will be equipped with high quality L glass; none of the canon mirrorless or big sensor compact cameras has this type of lens.

Another rumor that in my opinion make sense.

EOS M + EF Adapter + L lens 8)

 

[EvillEmperor]

@nicku
Can you give me a definitive definition of what uniquely constitutes L glass?
What is the common factor other than L and the red stripe?

There are non Ls that are better than Ls and there are Ls that are better than anything.

It's not aspherics or apos. It's not flourite. It's not weather sealing.

(whisper this... it's mar-ket-ing)

I have owned and will own great L glass, I'm not dissing it.

Just the L glass bit, doesn't actually mean anything.

Doesn't stand for anything, represent, guarantee whatever.

I'm backing the small form compact high quality zoom for the Pro1 successor.

Unless it has a really tiny sensor like in the old days. Which would make about as much sense as a pentax Q.

That is.. not much.

L lenses are described as: "these lenses use special optical technologies [such as] Ultra-low Dispersion UD glass, Super Low Dispersion glass, Fluorite elements, and Aspherical elements to truly push the optical envelope." AND they are drip proof, weather resistant, and have stone build quality.

 

[paul13walnut5]

@EvilEmperor

L lenses are described as:

by whom?

You put in quotation marks, as if to infer a comment from a valid source:

"these lenses use special optical technologies [such as] Ultra-low Dispersion UD glass, Super Low Dispersion glass, Fluorite elements, and Aspherical elements to truly push the optical envelope."

Yet you neglect to identify the source.

AND they are drip proof

Even the TS-EL lenses?

weather resistant

except the nonIS 70-200's)

and have stone build quality. Erm? the early 1990's push pull L zooms?

 

[Gman]

I want one and I want it now! ;D

however I have to agree with an earlier post:
'It would be weird to have both this camera and the G1X in the lineup at the same time'.
not to mention that it would be confusing to have a G1X and a Pro1X so close together in the lineup surely the X has been used too much lately and is getting a bit past it's prime?

 

[EvillEmperor]

The quite came from Canon themselves from a book.

 

[WoodyWindy]

I could see this...

* APS-C or G1X sized sensor
* Pro1-esque or SX40 form factor
* Fixed mount, L-branded zoom
* 24-190/240 f/2.8 - f/5.6 (8x/10x) equivalent range
* 14.3/24 Megapixels, depending on G1X sensor reuse, or intro of new tech
* Extreme dynamic range, possibly achieved through new sensor tech (pixel binning?)
* High ISO sensitivity
* Hybrid AF
* EVF
* High frame rate (5+ FPS)
* Full HD video
* $1200 MSRP

Where I'm including multiple guesses, Emphasized values are the ones I consider most likely. I suspect Canon is due for some new sensor technology, the only real question is what body they will choose to introduce it. I expect to see some combo of back-illumination, pixel binning, and/or full-spectrum pixels (ala Foveon). The zoom range and aperture are based on physics. The real lens values (if G1X sized sensor) would be about 13-130 for a 10x zoom.

 

[Gman]

If what you say is anywhere close then it would do two things,
1) make the G1X superfluous and be competing in a way with the new EOS-M
2) at the price level you quote it would no longer be a successor to the Canon Powershot Gxx line
anyway Canon already introduced a two Pro models recently they are called the G1X and the EOS-M respectively!

IMHO if it is really to be a Gxx successor it will be in a G12 type body possibly with the edges smoothed off,(love the EOS M design), APS-C sensor at about 14 to 16 Mpxs, same folding screen, broader zoom range, say 24 to 120mms I would hazard a guess at 8x max, it cant go much more than that or it will get too big and not be able to retract into the body. I think they might introduce the same touch screen as on the EOS M to get rid of some of the knobs and of course Digic 5 processor.

Personally the video doesn't interest me but I guess they will throw in the best available they can off without cannibalising the G1X or the EOS M I also reckon the price will be around the $600 to 800 range so as not to compete with the G1X.

 

[moreorless]

If what you say is anywhere close then it would do two things,
1) make the G1X superfluous and be competing in a way with the new EOS-M
2) at the price level you quote it would no longer be a successor to the Canon Powershot Gxx line
anyway Canon already introduced a two Pro models recently they are called the G1X and the EOS-M respectively!

I don't think crowded is a bad thing for Canon in this second of the market, with the decline in compact sales/profit this is likely where a large amount of the profit is for all the big manifacturers.

IMHO if it is really to be a Gxx successor it will be in a G12 type body possibly with the edges smoothed off,(love the EOS M design), APS-C sensor at about 14 to 16 Mpxs, same folding screen, broader zoom range, say 24 to 120mms I would hazard a guess at 8x max, it cant go much more than that or it will get too big and not be able to retract into the body. I think they might introduce the same touch screen as on the EOS M to get rid of some of the knobs and of course Digic 5 processor.

Personally the video doesn't interest me but I guess they will throw in the best available they can off without cannibalising the G1X or the EOS M I also reckon the price will be around the $600 to 800 range so as not to compete with the G1X.

I can definately see something with a sensor size between the G1X and the G12, perhaps with a longer zoom aswell?

As far as a fixed L lens goes I'd guess Canon would only go with this if they came up with a really prenium product and needed that extra push to sell it, say...

70D 22MP ASPC sensor.
24-70mm f/2.8 quivilent with manual zoom and filter ring.
Over 100% coverage optical veiwfinder.
Fully weather sealed.

 

[WoodyWindy]

I don't see this as a G1X replacement, but rather a higher model in the line. The G1X is the ultimate "pocketable" camera, while the Pro X is the ultimate all-in-one travel cam.

 

[powershot2012]

Agree, here is hoping Canon uses the Pro1X as a G1X replacement. The G1X still hasn't developed a following as Canon expected.

I want one and I want it now! ;D

however I have to agree with an earlier post:
'It would be weird to have both this camera and the G1X in the lineup at the same time'.
not to mention that it would be confusing to have a G1X and a Pro1X so close together in the lineup surely the X has been used too much lately and is getting a bit past it's prime?