70D what do you think?

[Hardproducer]

Everybody is talking about the AF of the new 70D but will this sensor also bring us much better IQ?

For landscapes i don't need the AF that much but better IQ will be nice.

For what i have seen the 70D example pictures looks nice. But it's hard to compare a picture from a 70d with another from a 60d. I need the same object shoot with both DSLRs with same lens to compare.

Are there any example pictures from 70d vs 60d on full size?

I know the Lens makes the most of the IQ but i just wondering if there are any differences?

 

[whothafunk]

gee, I don't know. Maybe post a question and seek an answer in 25 other 70D threads?

 

[Hardproducer]

gee, I don't know. Maybe post a question and seek an answer in 25 other 70D threads?

Well i'll give it a try

 

[benlanghorne]

I doubt there would be much difference in the IQ between the 60D and 70D. The 70D will probably have less noise at higher ISO's, but IQ is normally down to the quality of the lens.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

There is little difference in IQ for any DSLR at ISO 100. You are buying features and hype.

For landscapes, more MP will give you more detail, but as MP count goes up, so does the difficulty in actually getting that extra bit of resolution. There are some who do very well with high MP cameras, but the average photographer is not obsessed with a incremental increase in resolution, the more important elements such as composition and subject, lighting, DR, etc put and IQ improvements far down the list. In fact, I don't even know how to measure something hypothetical like IQ that only exists in the mind of a photographer and is different for each of them. We can measure several parameters, and they trade off against each other, but IQ? That sounds like something DXO would assign a number to

 

[Robboesan]

My Problems with the Canon 70D

 

[Drum]

Not that video again...... Please??!!!

 

[Marsu42]

I doubt there would be much difference in the IQ between the 60D and 70D.

There isn't, here is a comparison of raw studio samples I just posted: http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=16248.msg299011#msg299011

 

[jdramirez]

I'd rather get a 7D and a 5D mkii for around 2000 total (both used).

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

There is little difference in IQ for any DSLR at ISO 100. You are buying features and hype.

For landscapes, more MP will give you more detail, but as MP count goes up, so does the difficulty in actually getting that extra bit of resolution. There are some who do very well with high MP cameras, but the average photographer is not obsessed with a incremental increase in resolution, the more important elements such as composition and subject, lighting, DR, etc put and IQ improvements far down the list. In fact, I don't even know how to measure something hypothetical like IQ that only exists in the mind of a photographer and is different for each of them. We can measure several parameters, and they trade off against each other, but IQ? That sounds like something DXO would assign a number to

There is a pretty huge difference at ISO100. That is actually where cameras differ the most since they are all pretty solid at high ISO now. But at low ISO some have one to THREE AND A HALF stops better dynamic range than others. For many scenes that doesn't matter at all, but for many potential scenes it could.

70D RAW file appears to show the same old DR as Canon has been stuck with since 2007 . I hope it is not their new process sensor!

 

[aj1575]

70D RAW file appears to show the same old DR as Canon has been stuck with since 2007 . I hope it is not their new process sensor!

How do you conclude that the 70D RAW files have the same DR as older Canon Cameras? Maybe I misunderstand the concept of DR, but I think to measure the DR you need to how light was when the picture was taken; a piece of information that is not included in the RAW file.

 

[Marsu42]

How do you conclude that the 70D RAW files have the same DR as older Canon Cameras? Maybe I misunderstand the concept of DR, but I think to measure the DR you need to how light was when the picture was taken; a piece of information that is not included in the RAW file.

But you can compare studio samples of the same scene with the exact same lighting that are taken with different sensors and then see how much of the histogram is covered. This isn't a 100% valid method because it doesn't cover highlight recovery, but if Canon would suddenly have gone Nikon and added a big deal of dr it would be noticeable.

 

[wickidwombat]

My Problems with the Canon 70D

This guy is a moron.

I think after that video NASA must surely be head hunting him...

 

[JPAZ]

My Problems with the Canon 70D

You guys are much too harsh. This gentleman's erudite review with his extensive vocabulary after spending many days actually handling this camera is of great value. No wait, I was thinking of someone else. I must be confused.......

 

[Dylan777]

If landscape is your thing, 6D or 5D II might be a better choice. I'm sure 6D or 5D II will have MUCH better IQ.

Video shooter will enjoy 70D more.......

 

[awinphoto]

I think from the evolution of the xxd line, the 70D is right in lock-step and quality as we could expect. Is it the best? No... The AF is very intriguing, but it also seems that they simplified the AF zones from the 7D which i'm a tad concerned... xxd's from generation to generation has seen gradual increases in megapixels without losing much quality in final output, much of this in part with the new generations of processors and noise reduction. In the end, it is what it is... it's feature set, much like the differences between the 6d and 5d3, is what sets it apart from the 50D/60D and the 70D. That feature set alone has be wavering on whether this with it's price point and features and AF and the like is a better alternative as a backup body than the 6d.... I guess I will wait and see the test results and then make up my mind.

 

[David Hull]

Everybody is talking about the AF of the new 70D but will this sensor also bring us much better IQ?

For landscapes i don't need the AF that much but better IQ will be nice.

For what i have seen the 70D example pictures looks nice. But it's hard to compare a picture from a 70d with another from a 60d. I need the same object shoot with both DSLRs with same lens to compare.

Are there any example pictures from 70d vs 60d on full size?

I know the Lens makes the most of the IQ but i just wondering if there are any differences?

Well... if it is that difficult to tell the difference, maybe there isn't any?

DP Review just put up a bunch of sample images from their 70D which you can compare to the similar set that they have put up for just about everything else.

 

[jrista]

There is little difference in IQ for any DSLR at ISO 100. You are buying features and hype.

For landscapes, more MP will give you more detail, but as MP count goes up, so does the difficulty in actually getting that extra bit of resolution. There are some who do very well with high MP cameras, but the average photographer is not obsessed with a incremental increase in resolution, the more important elements such as composition and subject, lighting, DR, etc put and IQ improvements far down the list. In fact, I don't even know how to measure something hypothetical like IQ that only exists in the mind of a photographer and is different for each of them. We can measure several parameters, and they trade off against each other, but IQ? That sounds like something DXO would assign a number to

There is a pretty huge difference at ISO100. That is actually where cameras differ the most since they are all pretty solid at high ISO now. But at low ISO some have one to THREE AND A HALF stops better dynamic range than others. For many scenes that doesn't matter at all, but for many potential scenes it could.

70D RAW file appears to show the same old DR as Canon has been stuck with since 2007 . I hope it is not their new process sensor!

My guess is Canon's noise problems are not really with their sensor, but with the downstream high frequency electronics. In other words, DIGIC. It seems most other manufacturers have moved to on-die processing of some kind...Sony with CP-ADC, and others with something similar...on-die ADC. Canon supposedly had similar technology with the 120mp APS-H (the press releases explicitly called out on-die "parallel image processing", which I can only figure is ADC)...why they haven't put the technology into practice is beyond me.

 

[Diego]

My Problems with the Canon 70D

This guy is a moron.

+1

The 70D previews show a nice device with a lot of decent features.

The guy is a moron, and wears a wig!

 

[jrista]

There is little difference in IQ for any DSLR at ISO 100. You are buying features and hype.

For landscapes, more MP will give you more detail, but as MP count goes up, so does the difficulty in actually getting that extra bit of resolution. There are some who do very well with high MP cameras, but the average photographer is not obsessed with a incremental increase in resolution, the more important elements such as composition and subject, lighting, DR, etc put and IQ improvements far down the list. In fact, I don't even know how to measure something hypothetical like IQ that only exists in the mind of a photographer and is different for each of them. We can measure several parameters, and they trade off against each other, but IQ? That sounds like something DXO would assign a number to

There is a pretty huge difference at ISO100. That is actually where cameras differ the most since they are all pretty solid at high ISO now. But at low ISO some have one to THREE AND A HALF stops better dynamic range than others. For many scenes that doesn't matter at all, but for many potential scenes it could.

70D RAW file appears to show the same old DR as Canon has been stuck with since 2007 . I hope it is not their new process sensor!

My guess is Canon's noise problems are not really with their sensor, but with the downstream high frequency electronics. In other words, DIGIC. It seems most other manufacturers have moved to on-die processing of some kind...Sony with CP-ADC, and others with something similar...on-die ADC. Canon supposedly had similar technology with the 120mp APS-H (the press releases explicitly called out on-die "parallel image processing", which I can only figure is ADC)...why they haven't put the technology into practice is beyond me.

because they sell cameras and have only invested in 2 fab lines which one is old and can not produce column vise ADC at the sensor = 500nm feature size, which means that it cannot be used for small pixels and =higher resolution with the accuracy needed
120mp is from fab line 2 = the compact camera line where they( Canon) can produce smaller circuits but it takes resources from the compakt line
So it is costs vs better and newer solutions in APS and 24x36
People buy anyway Canon because the brand name is so strong and they think Canon makes the best sensors
And Canon says , Who needs more than 21Mp it is the optimal amount of Mp
Right?

No, people buy Canon because they think canon makes the best CAMERAS. Canon DOES make some of the best cameras.

People who don't care about the camera and only care about the sensor buy Sony or Nikon...and when Canon comes out with their 40 or 50mp camera, many of those people will switch (again, or for the nth time), and when say Toshiba produces a better sensor in the future that Nikon uses in the future D900, those people sill switch AGAIN, etc. etc. ad. inf.