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This web site is making me question why I lurk here

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As a long time lurker and recent active poster I continue to be shocked by the thrashing, whining and crying here regarding the real and imagined limitations of the 5D Mark III. If you read Nikon Rumors ( you should it is very informative and professional) nothing like that happened there with their two recent introductions and there were almost no catty attacks at Canon as you find regularly against Nikon and any firm that doesn't worship Canon properly or at the same time knock it down appropriately.

What I find most interesting is the crappy quality of 90% of the photos that these anxious obsessives have posted here to get feedback. I'm talking about crappy composition, worthless lighting, impossible focusing situations, horrible white balance and basically most norms of decent photography violated in the service of complaining, worrying or hand wringing. Much of this was just impulsive childish behavior - pure and simple. When you can't tell the trolls from the faithful things have gotten out of hand.

That all said, of course there are issues and the camera, as amazing as it is, did not meet all the expectations and there have been some surprises. How could it? There were compromises made along the way - ie. 22 vs 36 Megapixels - there would have been complaints either way. You can just make a list but from where I sit it is was mainly cup half empty or half full. I have played with two copies and I would love to have one!

I wonder what the reception would have been if it was priced $1,000 cheaper? Would it have been received with less anger and skepticism. Don't get me wrong. It is all not emotional but, I'm afraid, much of what is written here sounds like what a grammar school child that is waiting and waiting and waiting for a beanie baby would write. It could never meet all the needs once it was shipped from Amazon. Was the packing enough for my beanie baby? Should I have waited for another color? What is coming out next?

There is a lot of very worth while information also available here from very knowledgeable shooters but the nut cases and the unstable one are winning out. I have learned a great deal about Canon products and photography in general reading here. That is why I lurked and will lurk.

In closing....if your blood pressure has risen since the introduction and you are hitting refresh every few minutes, take a chill pill, learn basic photography first, read the friggin' manual, do the necessary adjustments to the camera and its settings ( don't be a d0uche!) and finally take some decent shots that you can share for feedback and assistance. Most importantly buy from a retailer that will calmly accept your return. That is a sane option if this camera is ruining your life and, of course, there will always be Nikon. :)

I find early adopters without the proper risk taking temperament are the root cause of most the problems here. Canon's product has become secondary. Thank god the introduction of the flagship model will cost almost what a car costs. The angst will mainly be virtual.
 
so true, so many gear nerds. It's also crazy how people are getting 5d2/3's as a first dslr. I just got a 5d3 after many years shooting on a crop, and going full frame is amazing. I love my 5d :)
 
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AnselA great post and I couldn't agree more! I will continue to read the posts here for information and entertainment value. However, it seems that the valued information is a dismal second place to the entertainment value. :-[
 
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This is well written and I have to say I heartily agree. I'm glad someone took the time to state some of the issues I was feeling.

I also read Nikon Rumors and am sorry this site is not more like that one. I find this site as informative but only after I chop through the all the underbrush. I am a regular reader here every week.

I have owned kits from both companies and feel Canon balances what my needs best. I hope there is a 7D Mark II in my future...
 
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AnselA said:
As a long time lurker and recent active poster I continue to be shocked by the thrashing, whining and crying here regarding the real and imagined limitations of the 5D Mark III. If you read Nikon Rumors ( you should it is very informative and professional) nothing like that happened there with their two recent introductions and there were almost no catty attacks at Canon as you find regularly against Nikon and any firm that doesn't worship Canon properly or at the same time knock it down appropriately.

What I find most interesting is the crappy quality of 90% of the photos that these anxious obsessives have posted here to get feedback. I'm talking about crappy composition, worthless lighting, impossible focusing situations, horrible white balance and basically most norms of decent photography violated in the service of complaining, worrying or hand wringing. Much of this was just impulsive childish behavior - pure and simple. When you can't tell the trolls from the faithful things have gotten out of hand.

That all said, of course there are issues and the camera, as amazing as it is, did not meet all the expectations and there have been some surprises. How could it? There were compromises made along the way - ie. 22 vs 36 Megapixels - there would have been complaints either way. You can just make a list but from where I sit it is was mainly cup half empty or half full. I have played with two copies and I would love to have one!

I wonder what the reception would have been if it was priced $1,000 cheaper? Would it have been received with less anger and skepticism. Don't get me wrong. It is all not emotional but, I'm afraid, much of what is written here sounds like what a grammar school child that is waiting and waiting and waiting for a beanie baby would write. It could never meet all the needs once it was shipped from Amazon. Was the packing enough for my beanie baby? Should I have waited for another color? What is coming out next?

There is a lot of very worth while information also available here from very knowledgeable shooters but the nut cases and the unstable one are winning out. I have learned a great deal about Canon products and photography in general reading here. That is why I lurked and will lurk.

In closing....if your blood pressure has risen since the introduction and you are hitting refresh every few minutes, take a chill pill, learn basic photography first, read the friggin' manual, do the necessary adjustments to the camera and its settings ( don't be a d0uche!) and finally take some decent shots that you can share for feedback and assistance. Most importantly buy from a retailer that will calmly accept your return. That is a sane option if this camera is ruining your life and, of course, there will always be Nikon. :)

I find early adopters without the proper risk taking temperament are the root cause of most the problems here. Canon's product has become secondary. Thank god the introduction of the flagship model will cost almost what a car costs. The angst will mainly be virtual.

AnselA, you make a number of valid points. I read it a number of times.

Like Daniel, I agree, you need to absorb the useful stuff and loose what you do not need. I strongly suggest you chill. The "rest" will get by. Do what you do best.

I recommend 2 to 4 shots of single malt whiskey (of your choice) followed by a walk on the beach - without reaching the waterline...
 
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Great read, thanks for sharing.

I am conscience of the issues you're speaking of, and were trying to figure out a solution to change the dynamics of some of the conversations.

I always appreciate people that "report" posts, we do read those and usually agree and take the appropriate action. Anyone can do it.


Thanks
Craig
 
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Nice post and I'd mostly agree with the comments by yourself an others. However, I personally think of this site not as a photography (how to) site, but a camera hardware site. As such, people who know more about hardware than photography should almost be more welcome here than great photographers with no hardware understanding. Now, I did say almost because both sides have things to offer.

But that difference still dones't explain the complaining that your complaining about (ironic isn't it...and I love it).

And I'll leave this post with the infamous last words of my uncle Bob who said "A truck!"
(joke credit to Emmo Phillips)
 
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RE: Posted by: rpt Today at 10:51:32 PM
I strongly suggest you chill.

If you read the article carefully you would realize your comment is rather silly and totally misses the point. What was presented was a reasoned and calm description of one person's point of view on what has been going on here. I think it needed to be said and it will resonate with many here.
 
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+10

Most of them didn't make the switch to another system either like I did (Nikon to Canon) and if they did we'd never hear the end of it :)

Is the 5D MK3 perfect?
No, but I'll wager it is better than I am ;)

I'm here to learn primarily.
There's nothing to be learned from bashing people or equipment.
Study yoga, take a chill pill, relax, who knows, you may take better photos...

ET
 
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CanineCandidsByL said:
However, I personally think of this site not as a photography (how to) site, but a camera hardware site. As such, people who know more about hardware than photography should almost be more welcome here than great photographers with no hardware understanding. (joke credit to Emmo Phillips)

Agree. But to know your hardware, you have to know how to use it. And that's the OP's point. A lot of people, for example, are saying 'the 5D3's focusing sucks.' However, they are coming from an XTi and don't understand absolute basics of how to set focus.
 
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AnselA said:
As a long time lurker and recent active poster I continue to be shocked by the thrashing, whining and crying here regarding the real and imagined limitations of the 5D Mark III. If you read Nikon Rumors ( you should it is very informative and professional) nothing like that happened there with their two recent introductions and there were almost no catty attacks at Canon as you find regularly against Nikon and any firm that doesn't worship Canon properly or at the same time knock it down appropriately.

What I find most interesting is the crappy quality of 90% of the photos that these anxious obsessives have posted here to get feedback. I'm talking about crappy composition, worthless lighting, impossible focusing situations, horrible white balance and basically most norms of decent photography violated in the service of complaining, worrying or hand wringing. Much of this was just impulsive childish behavior - pure and simple. When you can't tell the trolls from the faithful things have gotten out of hand.

That all said, of course there are issues and the camera, as amazing as it is, did not meet all the expectations and there have been some surprises. How could it? There were compromises made along the way - ie. 22 vs 36 Megapixels - there would have been complaints either way. You can just make a list but from where I sit it is was mainly cup half empty or half full. I have played with two copies and I would love to have one!

I wonder what the reception would have been if it was priced $1,000 cheaper? Would it have been received with less anger and skepticism. Don't get me wrong. It is all not emotional but, I'm afraid, much of what is written here sounds like what a grammar school child that is waiting and waiting and waiting for a beanie baby would write. It could never meet all the needs once it was shipped from Amazon. Was the packing enough for my beanie baby? Should I have waited for another color? What is coming out next?

There is a lot of very worth while information also available here from very knowledgeable shooters but the nut cases and the unstable one are winning out. I have learned a great deal about Canon products and photography in general reading here. That is why I lurked and will lurk.

In closing....if your blood pressure has risen since the introduction and you are hitting refresh every few minutes, take a chill pill, learn basic photography first, read the friggin' manual, do the necessary adjustments to the camera and its settings ( don't be a d0uche!) and finally take some decent shots that you can share for feedback and assistance. Most importantly buy from a retailer that will calmly accept your return. That is a sane option if this camera is ruining your life and, of course, there will always be Nikon. :)

I find early adopters without the proper risk taking temperament are the root cause of most the problems here. Canon's product has become secondary. Thank god the introduction of the flagship model will cost almost what a car costs. The angst will mainly be virtual.

Agreed, And I love how peeps like to post their gear lists but dont like to link to there portfolios to backup their work. :D
 
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Thanks AnselA this is so true. I always be suprised how many people are talking about cameras they had never in their hands. Everybody shall buy what fits best to his needs and D800 and 5D mark III are fitting to different needs in some detail. I do have a M3 in my hands for 3 days now and I can only say, it´s a phantastic camera fitting my needs perfectly. But does everybody, blaming Canon for that camera, realy knows his needs and what he´s talking about? I have my doubts here!
 
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Aside from the snarky and superfluous comments about the pictures the some persons post here, there are some good points made in the original post. (Frankly I find the average quality of images posted here to be quite high)

I have watched Canon Rumors go through several experiments in reader feedback and perhaps a bit of history lesson is in order.

A few years back, CR was structured just like Nikon Rumors, allowing readers to comment on the blog posts directly. The result was pretty disastrous. Conversations not only went quickly off topic, but often degenerated into slurs and name calling that were an embarrassment to the site. I and others protested to CR Guy and he responded with the forum system. Not perfect, but it certainly helped significantly.

No secret, I was a fan of the Karma system. I felt it kept people in check and discouraged flame wars. I'm pretty sure we've seen a significantly deterioration in the site since the Karma was removed. (Sometimes little things do matter).

Nonetheless, I am apparently in the minority. It's CR guys website and he decided to make a change based on user input. I think it was a mistake, but so be it.

The announcement of the 5DIII seems to have brought out all sorts of crazy. Perhaps its just a result of the pent up demand and inevitable disappointment by persons with unrealistic expectations. Hopefully things will settle down soon. One particular frustration is that everyone and his brother seems to feel the need to start a new forum thread with their every rant. Unfortunately, I don't see a good way to limit the number of threads or the ability of individuals to start a thread that would not destroy the democratic nature of this site. (Of course, this comes from someone who just started a new thread five minutes ago.)

I'm guessing I'll continue to check the site too many times during the day and continue to participate more frequently than I should. But, I do share some of the frustrations of the original post.
 
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lol at OP, i've been thinking the same thing...I think people need to RTFM, seems people are more opt to reading their return policy than fully understanding the $3500 camera they just bought...i'm a total noob and when I got less than desirable results with the mkIII I automatically assumed I was at fault, and guess what, I was...%100 of the time...
 
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BobSanderson said:
RE: Posted by: rpt Today at 10:51:32 PM
I strongly suggest you chill.

If you read the article carefully you would realize your comment is rather silly and totally misses the point. What was presented was a reasoned and calm description of one person's point of view on what has been going on here. I think it needed to be said and it will resonate with many here.

I kind of agree with this and will rearrange...

Here goes...
AnselA, you make a number of valid points. I read it a number of times.

Like Daniel, I agree, you need to absorb the useful stuff and loose what you do not need. I strongly suggest you chill. The "rest" will get by. Do what you do best.

I strongly recommend 2 to 4 shots of single malt whiskey (of your choice) followed by a walk on the beach - without reaching the waterline...


That better?
 
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unfocused,

I think the Karma system was useful for very little. We differ on that. People would nick other people simply because they had a different opinion or just because they were in bad way that moment. When I first got started I wondered what was going on and then I realized, for a few people, this gave them a sense editorial power, such as it was. It may have restrained some people (probably ones it shouldn't have) but the real ones with harsh opinions would not be stopped by that. It is like locks on a door - they stop the honest - the robbers will get by them easily.

unfocused
Aside from the snarky and superfluous comments about the pictures the some persons post here, there are some good points made in the original post. (Frankly I find the average quality of images posted here to be quite high)

I read the posting differently - to be focused on the images provided as proof of problems with the 5D Mark III. I have to admit I searched and searched for good photos to show the camera actually took any decent pictures at all and found few here. Most of what was provided was pretty sad. That does not impugn some of the great work that people routinely post here on a variety of subjects. I think there are some very talented photographers here.
 
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To the original poster, I am in 100% agreement with you. I am very sick of all of this whining -

- I am so disappointed with the 5D3 specs. I cannot believe they did not add 3D and warp drive.
- The Nikon D800 is so much better. My grandmother said so.
- I have the 5D3 right now and it keeps eating my son's homework.

Seriously, what I find sad is the utter stupidity of so many people who earn enough to afford a $3500 camera. It's just a camera! Get over it!

People really need to get out and take photos. I had the 5D2 and I now have the 5D3. They are both very nice cameras and they both enable one to take very nice photos. Instead of all of this bashing and whining, why not spend your time improving your photography skills.

What I would really like to see CR do is change the algorithm that displays the top posts on the front page to display the more helpful threads - such as advice on lenses, how to take particular types of photos, or asking for critique for particular photos.

The alternative is to let this site continue to be dominated by the same morons that make most sane people avoid DPReview.
 
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