Canon Developing New RF-S7.8mm F4 STM Dual Lens for EOS R7 Camera for Recording Spatial Video For Apple Vision Pro

[Canon Rumors]

Canon has teamed up with Apple. I’m unsure how I feel about this. But it will be interesting to see how this develops in the future. Canon’s Press Release MELVILLE, N.Y., June 10, 2024 — Canon U.S.A., Inc. today announced that its parent company, Canon Inc. is developing the RF-S7.8mm F4 STM DUAL lens for its

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[Berowne]

Thanks Richard. This is interesting and i would like to know, what the difference is to the dual Fisheye lenses.

 

[Richard CN]

if I recall the patent application from the top of my head, this one isn\'t a full 180 degrees

 

[frankchn]

if I recall the patent application from the top of my head, this one isn\'t a full 180 degrees

Could it be rectilinear (or able to be corrected in camera to rectilinear)? Also do you have a link to the patent?

 

[koenkooi]

if I recall the patent application from the top of my head, this one isn\'t a full 180 degrees

Both of the 'VR' lenses announced yesterday do less than 180 degrees, the dual fisheye one does 144 degrees, to, as Canon claims, better match your eyes and not show your shoes or tripod legs.

 

[frankchn]

Both of the 'VR' lenses announced yesterday do less than 180 degrees, the dual fisheye one does 144 degrees, to, as Canon claims, better match your eyes and not show your shoes or tripod legs.

The name of this lens doesn’t include the word “fisheye” unlike the other two “DUAL” lenses so I am wondering if it is intended for rectilinear images.

 

[Richard CN]

Sorry - i had to look it up, i was thinking of another aps-c variant.

as far as 7.8mm as far as I can tell it would be around 80 degree AoV

so in theory you may get distortion, but it wouldn't be a full effect that you get with a fisheye.

these two announcements at the same time for the same thing for slightly different reasons is hurting my lizard brain today

 

[Jose Rubio Rodrigu]

Creo que ahora si vamos a tener la Canon R7 Mark II, igual junto a estos objetivos.

 

[P-visie]

Blackmagic Design has announced an video camera to support Apple Immersive Video on Apple Vision Pro:

Media | Blackmagic Design

 

[thatguywitha.camera]

Thanks Richard. This is interesting and i would like to know, what the difference is to the dual Fisheye lenses.

If the Panasonic Lumix H-FT012 12.5mm F12 3D Lens is anything to go by, you will get two rectiliniear images (with a lot of vignetting) side by side, and the camera might save it as an MPO file for direct viewing on a compatible device.

HTC, back in the early Android days, made the EVO 3D with a similar lens design and a display that could actually show these stereoscopic photos and videos without the need for any special glasses.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

The autofocus is interesting.
RED cameras were a better, albeit pricier, alternatives for the manual focus lens.
I am guessing R7 support is only for autofocus unless Canon is going to add external 7K RAW video.
It is only a development announcement.
Maybe we will get more info and more cameras before then.

 

[Navism]

It would have chance R7 mkii would be 45mp APS-C 8K.
Last time, Canon said 12K is good for Apple Vision Pro.

 

[LCDVS00]

Does it imply that R7M2 is coming soon? The slower rolling shutter of R7 makes it limited in video.

 

[koenkooi]

It would have chance R7 mkii would be 45mp APS-C 8K.
Last time, Canon said 12K is good for Apple Vision Pro.

The new black magic stereo camera is 2x8k, at 90fps!

 

[koenkooi]

Does it imply that R7M2 is coming soon? The slower rolling shutter of R7 makes it limited in video.

The HQ mode being limited to 30fps is a bummer as well.

 

[clearlyed]

Not sure how you feel? I think canon partnering with apple is a huge bonus and advantage. They own pro-res. They are the largest tech company in the world. They are making the most exciting advances in computational photography and video. Looks like black magic also see the advantage too.

 

[Canon Rumors]

Not sure how you feel? I think canon partnering with apple is a huge bonus and advantage. They own pro-res. They are the largest tech company in the world. They are making the most exciting advances in computational photography and video. Looks like black magic also see the advantage too.

Apple is a lost company at the moment and in dire need of a new CEO. They released a $3500 product that no one is buying because no one wants to wear a giant thing on their face, never mind a battery on your belt. This VR nonsense in the consumer space has been a 30 year promise, and it's still extremely niche for industrial, medical and military applications.

All of the YouTuber grifters returned them after their "reviews". It is by far the most returned product percentage wise in Apple's history.

Huawei, Xiaomi and Qualcomm have passed them in hardware, which wasn't hard because Apple doesn't actually make anything. Software? Everyone has passed them.

Apple's greatest strengths are customer retention (the walled garden), marketing and infographics.

 

[cycomachead]

Thanks Richard. This is interesting and i would like to know, what the difference is to the dual Fisheye lenses.

Also, maybe I'm being daft, but is there anything specific to the R7 with this new lens?
The Apple version of spatial video is actually a little more intriguing to me than other VR approaches, but I have no intention of getting an R7...

Could I not just use an R5 in cropped mode to get the same effects?

 

[ShowMeTheEagles]

Apple is a lost company at the moment and in dire need of a new CEO. They released a $3500 product that no one is buying because no one wants to wear a giant thing on their face, never mind a battery on your belt. This VR nonsense in the consumer space has been a 30 year promise, and it's still extremely niche for industrial, medical and military applications.

All of the YouTuber grifters returned them after their "reviews". It is by far the most returned product percentage wise in Apple's history.

Huawei, Xiaomi and Qualcomm have passed them in hardware, which wasn't hard because Apple doesn't actually make anything. Software? Everyone has passed them.

Apple's greatest strengths are customer retention (the walled garden), marketing and infographics.

1. Apple’s been “lost” since SJ died. TC is just smart enough to have known how to capitalize on/ milk SJ products for a very long time and not totally screw up Apple’s design or ease of use appeal.

2. Agree w/ VR as a consumer product. Seems like its failure/niche here should be obvious to all but it’s not. I think it does have value in commercial use as a virtual trainer for tasks that are expensive, risky, or impractical to do so in real life.

3. That Apple is a walled garden so is every other platform. Very little interoperability between them. Even Canon is a walled garden. But Apple products are more than marketing. They are actuall good which is why they are popular and so many choose to be in its garden.

 

[ShowMeTheEagles]

The irony here is that the software needed to extract the files is either Canon or Adobe Premiere. Apple didn’t bother to get Canon to release a Final Cut Pro plugin.