Canon 7D II or 6D

For the type of thing you are doing, the 6D will be great. There can be a big difference in full frame, but it depends on your use. Portraits on FF with their shallow depth of field are nice.

I have no issue with using almost any camera for sports, just as long as I can set my shutter speeds. I long ago learned to anticipate the shot and to be ready for it. I tried 10 fps with my 1D MK IV, and got hundreds of shots to wade thru when one would have done it.

The tracking feature of the 7D MK II is going to be nice for following a bird in flight, but you don't need it for everyday type photos.
 
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Something no one has asked about is your lenses. Do you already have any? Are you planning on purchasing any specific lenses?

If you have a kit full of Ef-s lenses and only budget for a body than a crop camera might make the most sense at this time.

Give us some more details on what your kit looks like.
 
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chunchma said:
Now that the new 7D II specs have been released...

Should I go with the 6D or the 7DII, I know the one difference is the 6D is full frame. How will the new 7D II do with taking portraits and everyday shooting? Lighting ? I hear the 6D is great with low lighting.

And is there really a HUGE difference from full frame to crop?

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As someone who shoots almost every day with a FF 5D3 and an APS-H x1.3 crop 1D MkIV, (in some ways a similar pair to a 6D and a 7DII) I understand your dilemma. For sheer image/file quality it's no surprise to anyone that the 5D3 delivers more whether shooting in the optimum 100-800 iso range and even more so above 1600-3200 iso.

If you value getting the magic moment in a dynamic flow of action whether that be sports, fast moving kids or pets or wildlife, the 7DII will give you more keepers. For premium landscape, nicely lit static shots and so on the 6D will pull comfortably ahead. Like someone else said, they're very different cameras.

If your outdoor, landscape, static shots are going to be printed 20 or 30 inches, then the 7D2 will show it's APS-C limitations. But if you print small, or mainly view them on a screen you could be better off with the 7DII.

So consider what your intended output is going to be. If it's unlikely to be in the exhibition print category, between the 7DII and the 6D I'd recommend the latest...the 7DII. But will the budget stretch to a 5DIII? It has the FF advantage plus more sophisticated AF abilities than the 6D.

-pw
 
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My DSLR upgrade path was XT -> 60D -> 7D -> 5D3 -> and another 5D3. I've kept them all -- in part due to kids with an interest in photography. The kids get to use the 60D and 7D.

The 60D is very similar to the 6D in AF specs. I added the 7D because I shoot mostly indoor sports and found that the 60D had some issues with fast moving erratic subjects, like figure skating. The 7D was noticeably better at tracking sports. Does this mean that the 60D can't shoot sports? No. But, I shoot enough sports where the higher keeper rate from the 7D is valuable to me.

This is the decision that you need to make. Do you shoot enough action where the 6D AF system will hold you back?

Now let's add another dimension to the thought process. I was thrilled with the 7D/70-200 f2.8L II combo. Indoor sports was phenomenally better than the XT/70-300 4.0-5.6 that I was using. Then the kids that I was photographing got better at their sport and I needed faster shutter speeds. This meant higher ISO -- 3200 and up. This also meant a lot of post production noise cleanup.

I was definitely in the "crop body is all I need" camp. I prefer to use two bodies to avoid changing lenses and thought that I had the dream system -- a 60D/17-55 f2.8 and a 7D/70-200 f2.8L II. I didn't want to believe that FF was really that good. I didn't want to pay for it. Then I read more from those who switched (mostly on CR). Ultimately, I realized that the low-light limits of the 60D and 7D where holding me back and I took the plunge with a 5D3.

Is there much of a difference between FF and crop. YES. That's why I added a second 5D3.

Fortunately, the 5D3 has a better AF system than the 7D. The only downside for me was a slightly slower FPS and buffer rate for burst mode. But, I use burst sparingly.

To be fair. The 7D did a great job with adequate light, including portraits. Curiously, I've seen many mass production portrait photographers, the kind hired by schools, use older crop bodies for their work. So, it's not fair to say that the 7D or the 7D2 isn't good for portraits.

But, when you compare a FF body to a crop body, there is a huge difference. When my 5D3 arrived, I took test shots against the 7D around the house. The first thing jumped out at me was the greater color depth of the FF body. Images looked more alive. Then, of course, the low light performance that I hoped for was better than I imagined. The 5D3 has been fantastic in low light situations. The 6D is supposed to be better (if action isn't an issue).

Another big benefit of FF is that the 70-200 is much more useful focal range for indoor events, indoor sports, and portraits. (I love the 70-200 2.8 on FF for portraits.) FF is also sharper. With ISO 800 and up, my quick tests show that a cropped FF 200 mm image is sharper than a full crop body 200 mm image. However, I still grab the 7D for outdoor sports -- soccer and baseball -- just for the extra reach.

I'm intrigued by the 7D2, mostly with the 10 FPS and the video AF. Still, if I had to choose between the 6D and the 7D2, the 6D would be my first choice. The big question is how you value that AF and FPS performance of the 7D2. In my case, with thousands of indoor action shots, I may struggle with the AF of the 6D. I would have to rely more on my timing skills to get the shot. But, I need the shutter speed that this high ISO of the 6D offers. For indoor available light, the FF sensor holds more value to me than the 7D2's AF system.

Others have been more succinct than I -- 7D2 for outdoor sports and wildlife, 6D for everything else.

I should point out that the 5D3 offers the best of both cameras with little compromise, save for a few hundred extra dollars. But, deals on 5D3 bodies are becoming more frequent.
 
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Coming from a cropped camera background (rebel xti, t2i and t4i) the 6D is going to take better portraits, period.

It will take FANTASTIC low light shots as well as video.

Where the 6D will fail is anything where you don't have the time to line up the shot. The AF is good for static subjects but the 7D (and most likely the 7D II's) AF will outperform it everytime.

That doesn't mean the 7DII's shots will be bad, because they won't be. They'll be phenomenal as well (just not as good as the 6D in most cases because this is a cropped sensor).

There's also other issues - A cropped camera and its lenses will be cheaper then an FF for the bang. A 7D plus the 17-55F2.8 is an unbeatable combination and I think I still prefer the 17-55F2.8 to my 6D's 24-70F2.8 because it has IS and was $1000 cheaper!
 
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MichaelHodges said:
Dylan777 said:
chunchma said:
For shooting pets, outdoor, wildlife, people, landscape.

If you shoot indoor and nature light, then 6D is your camera. 7D II is more for outdoor sports and wildlife shooters.

Sure. But in-focus shots with a bit of noise in the fur trumps out of focus and no noise, every time.

I'm not saying 7DII is necessarily the way to go, just that they're two completely different cameras. I'm very happy with my 6D, and the image quality is amazing, but the in my opinion the internet community drastically overstates the difference between full frame and crop. Sure, it makes a big difference in low light, but outside of that I think the difference is exaggerated.
I'd recommend the FF for larger wildlife, too. The lack of noise in fur and feather creates much more pleasing images.
 
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If you shoot portraits and want really shallow depth of field, get the 6D. If you shoot subjects that are moving around a lot and are far away, get the 7D2. I have a 6D and honestly, my only complaint about the camera is it's terrible AF (I also have a 5D Mk III, so this is my benchmark). The AF in the 7D2 sounds pretty awesome.
 
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chunchma said:
Should I go with the 6D or the 7DII, I know the one difference is the 6D is full frame. How will the new 7D II do with taking portraits and everyday shooting? Lighting ? I hear the 6D is great with low lighting.

You have to be specific how low "low" is, and only then can it be determined if the 2 stop iso advantage of a ff is necessary. And don't let yourself be talked into believing only a ff can have a shallow depth of field or adds some general magic to each and every shot. If the 7d2 has a good viewfinder, it'll be just fine.

Fatfaso said:
I have a 6D and honestly, my only complaint about the camera is it's terrible AF

Amen to that. The op should really take not of that because the 6d's af gets worse with fast lenses, and what's the use of a bokehlicious and noise-free portait if it's way out of focus? The 6d is a good camera but you should know what you're (not) getting.
 
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What lenses do you have? What lenses would you like to have? Cost of moving up to full frame could be significant if you don't have any full-frame lenses yet. I am still using some 40 year old legacy lenses (back of closet) on adapters on my 6D. Admittedly, I like manual focus. Image quality of APS-C camera is pretty reasonable, I have enlarged some images up to 2 ft by 3 ft - but I don't stand on top of the image and count individual leaves on trees a quarter mile off, either.
 
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