Canon and NAB 2015 in April [CR3]

[Tugela]

I guess their GH4 competitor could actually be more of a GoPro competitor than a GH4 competitor. If it's small enough to be placed virtually anywhere it could be a really nice asset. It would never be used as an A camera so it makes sense that it will have a fixed lens. Sometimes having a a fixed lens can be a huge plus since it's one less thing to worry about. I mean, Canon makes pretty good lenses as it is so I'm sure it will be just fine. It might end up being a bit slower though.

I see this as being more of an action camera to be used seamlessly with other Cinema EOS cameras. It's likely not going to be an entry level filmmaker's camera. So people looking to get a good all around camera can buy their GH4 and be happy. I think it might be wrong to compare something like this to a GH4.

Time will tell.

Both the GoPro and the GH4 start with the letter "G", so it is easy to see how the folks at Canon could get confused, since they are so on the ball when it comes to current trends in the industry. They most likely think that those two cameras are quite similar to the G30, since that also starts with a "G", so they are ahead of the game. All they need to get ahead is to upscale the output from the G30 to 4K and call it the G30Pro, and then they would have done enough innovation to remain competitive for the next three years.

 

[Tugela]

Blackmagic and AJA both use CMOSIS CMV12000 sensor for their 4K cameras this is an "off the shelf" sensor so I doubt Blackmagic have anything that would be new sensor wise if using CMOSIS. They certainly don't have in-house capability like Canon.

Go here: http://www.atdelectronique.com/our-offer/bae-systems

And check out the LTN4625A entry. "Fairchild imaging is pleased to invite you to visit our booth at the Automate Trade Show, taking place at the McCormick Place Convention Center, Chicago, Illinois, United States, 23-26 March 2015. Come to our booth for a live presentation of the LTN4625A - our 12M pixel, 240 fps, 88dB high dynamic sCMOS Image Sensor! We will have people on hand to answer any questions you may have. Find us at booth# – 1196"

So, don't count BMD out just yet. (fingers crossed)

No doubt they will announce their latest product...to be delivered in 2017....maybe....

 

[PureClassA]

I'm interested to see this C300 II. If it's a 10-15% more expensive than an Fs7, so be it. It will have the lens mount everyone wants. Also depends what other sort of internal capabilities it is has.

A fixed lens camera is NOT, NOT, NOT a GH4/A7s competitor. If this is true, and that's all Canon is planning to unveil, then that is very disappointing. Had hopped for a true Cinema built 5 body I'll have to wait and see what the 5D4 has to offer or go ahead and jump and buy the A7s

 

[PureClassA]

PS - Yes, I too would be anxious too see what Blackmagic offers If they can find a sensor without that dreaded FPN, they would be the golden child.

 

[OMD]

What's the "FPN"? I think the Blackmagic footage is gorgeous, very film-like.

 

[Mitch.Conner]

I'm just constantly reminded that this is a canon site by the repeated mentions of "G4H"

The funny thing is that when I typed "G4H" - it felt wrong. It didn't seem right to me. "Isn't it the GH4?" I thought. So I scrolled up and read the first post by the admin. He spelled it "G4H" too. So I figured I must be wrong and it's spelled "G4H" instead of "GH4".

I should have Googled when I had the hunch.

 

[Filmmakingyeahbaby]

I wonder where all this leaves the 1080p C100 Mk2? Surely they must be planning a firmware update to make that capable of 4k (via external recorder)? Otherwise it's a bit of an anomaly as an HD only camera in their whole new line up...? They upped the image processor in it, didn't they? So I think after these all cameras come out, they must be planning to release an update for that one...

I'm very interested to see the C300 Mk 2, but I can't see them making it a competitor to the FS7 on price. They probably aren't going to sell it for anywhere near $10k, given the Mk 1 is still on for $11.5k. That's just not the market they are going for.

But I think the only way they can really justify charging much more is if they offer something that the FS7 doesn't. Even if they fall short of the FS7 in lots of ways, as long as they have one key feature it doesn't have, they can justify the price. And I'm not sure the native EF mount is enough.

I wonder if they're adding ProRes as a capture codec. On the FS7 you have to add an extra unit to capture ProRes. If Canon have licensed it and it's built in, they could definitely charge more... ProRes has been a huge success on the Alexa/Amira range. If they could get a Canon color, 10bit ProRes recorded on board, I think it would sell very, very well... at their target price range.

But this is all probably just very wishful thinking!

 

[PureClassA]

What's the "FPN"? I think the Blackmagic footage is gorgeous, very film-like.

Fixed Pattern Noise. Specifically in under exposed areas. A well documented and highly complained about problem in even their own forums that seems to be way more problematic with Black Magic 4k cameras than others. It's a sensor issue.

 

[Etienne]

I wonder where all this leaves the 1080p C100 Mk2? Surely they must be planning a firmware update to make that capable of 4k (via external recorder)? Otherwise it's a bit of an anomaly as an HD only camera in their whole new line up...? They upped the image processor in it, didn't they? So I think after these all cameras come out, they must be planning to release an update for that one...

I'm very interested to see the C300 Mk 2, but I can't see them making it a competitor to the FS7 on price. They probably aren't going to sell it for anywhere near $10k, given the Mk 1 is still on for $11.5k. That's just not the market they are going for.

But I think the only way they can really justify charging much more is if they offer something that the FS7 doesn't. Even if they fall short of the FS7 in lots of ways, as long as they have one key feature it doesn't have, they can justify the price. And I'm not sure the native EF mount is enough.

I wonder if they're adding ProRes as a capture codec. On the FS7 you have to add an extra unit to capture ProRes. If Canon have licensed it and it's built in, they could definitely charge more... ProRes has been a huge success on the Alexa/Amira range. If they could get a Canon color, 10bit ProRes recorded on board, I think it would sell very, very well... at their target price range.

But this is all probably just very wishful thinking!

The C100 mkII is an oddball today. It is so close to the perfect camera for me - great size, good lens options - but sub-par codec, 8-bit, no nice tricks at all (120fps 1080p for example), and Canon has no servo zooms that could increase ENG usability. I'm not even concerned about 4K, but a good solid codec, 120fps mode, and an available servo zoom controllable from the handle would change the equation enough.

 

[Tugela]

I wonder where all this leaves the 1080p C100 Mk2? Surely they must be planning a firmware update to make that capable of 4k (via external recorder)? Otherwise it's a bit of an anomaly as an HD only camera in their whole new line up...? They upped the image processor in it, didn't they? So I think after these all cameras come out, they must be planning to release an update for that one...

I'm very interested to see the C300 Mk 2, but I can't see them making it a competitor to the FS7 on price. They probably aren't going to sell it for anywhere near $10k, given the Mk 1 is still on for $11.5k. That's just not the market they are going for.

But I think the only way they can really justify charging much more is if they offer something that the FS7 doesn't. Even if they fall short of the FS7 in lots of ways, as long as they have one key feature it doesn't have, they can justify the price. And I'm not sure the native EF mount is enough.

I wonder if they're adding ProRes as a capture codec. On the FS7 you have to add an extra unit to capture ProRes. If Canon have licensed it and it's built in, they could definitely charge more... ProRes has been a huge success on the Alexa/Amira range. If they could get a Canon color, 10bit ProRes recorded on board, I think it would sell very, very well... at their target price range.

But this is all probably just very wishful thinking!

Nope. No firmware update (hardware can't do it most likely anyway). As a professional they know that you will do the professional thing and pony up more $$$$ when their next camera comes out.