Canon is just stupid - 5D3s AutoISO still crappy - EMAIL THEM HOW IT SHOULD WORK

[briansquibb]

Re: Canon is just stupid (still no usable auto iso in 5D III)

Stop arguing whether you need it or don't, no one cares, there are a lot of people who find it useful, if you don't you don't have to use it.

Fact is there are fast moving situations you want to shoot that might change from sunlight to shadow. And if you change ISO values you loose important moments. Sure you can just shoot everything with 6400 or higher to be on the save side. But its just damn convenient to have the camera user lower ISOs and faster times wich results in better quality if the light allows it.

And why not be angry about this feature? For me this would have been the main reason to upgrade from II to III. Because i shoot under those conditions a lot. And i thought they finally did it, then i read the manual and found that ridiculous limit for the shutter speed. As they said the II has Auto ISO i thought i can use it, and now 2 camera generations (7D was in between) later they still haven't figured it out

Using TV doesn't help either because you cant shoot everything with 2.8

And M, makes no sense at all Sure you could set your limit time, but in AV you could get faster if the light allows it. And in M, the camera has to use higher ISOs because 1/800 F4 just doesn't work in bright sunlight with ISO 200, and its not allowed to use faster times in M. So no gain in picture quality there.

Fact the camera is rubbish and useless in my opinion as a MII owner. And yes other people might like, want different features. Thats called freedom of thought.

As a 5D2 owner you wont have had the pleasure of using auto iso then ??? ??? ???

 

[briansquibb]

Re: Canon is just stupid (still no usable auto iso in 5D III)

@fanboys: no, one does NOT have to sell all Canon gear and buy Nikon, if Canon stuff sucks in one dimension but shines in others. It is much better to continually provide critical feedback to Canon ... so they may eventually improve theirn products. Especuially since Canon seems to have considerable difficulty to come up with meaningful improvements and to listen to its user base. So I thing, we got to repeat it more often ... and louder .. around the globe ... till its heard in Japan.

That is true.
Better then this frustration on this board.

Canon seems to have considerable difficulty to come up with meaningful improvements and to listen to its user base

Well check all the forums and read where we asked for before the 5D mark iii was announced.
-no more MP
-better AF
-better water sealing
-dual cards
-more fps
-better high iso
-shorter shutter lag.
-etc.

Seems to me Canon listened.
Some people always complain no matter what.

+1
.... and they complain about things they know nothing about either. They have seized upon a 'major flaw' when in reality it is a non problem except in their own minds

Lets state this again just so it is clear:

@5DII owners - the auto ISO now works as it should on the 5DIII
@7D owners - auto ISO on the 5DIII has a few extra features over the 7D

 

[AvTvM]

Re: Canon is just stupid (still no usable auto iso in 5D III)

Lets state this again just so it is clear:
@5DII owners - the auto ISO now works as it should on the 5DIII
@7D owners - auto ISO on the 5DIII has a few extra features over the 7D

very true. BUT ...
* Canon improved the Auto-ISO just a freakin' little bit, going from "utterly useless" to "somewhat useful"
* Auto-ISO is a really cheap to implement software/firmware feature
* it is fully known, what AUto-ISO would need to look like to be "REALLY RIGHT"
* Nikon is offering a vastly superior solution in the D800, which is 500 € less expensive than the 5D III

If Canon would want or be forced to by its user base ... they could implement a fully functional REALLY RIGHT Auto-ISO function as a firmware update for all current EOS models.

@those who don't understand or need or want Auto-ISO ... no problem, you don't ever have to use it. It will not ever get in your way or compromise your user experience in any possible way.

 

[Alker]

Re: Canon is just stupid - AutoISO in 5D3 still crappy,email them how it should work

Nikon is offering a vastly superior solution in the D800, which is 500 € less expensive than the 5D III

Yes yes yes yes we know.
I have to stop visiting these forums.
Not good for my blood pressure.

So last post for me.
I know who cares !!

And please enjoy Photography.
And stop this SAGA about nothing.

Bye all.

 

[Loswr]

Re: Canon is just stupid (still no usable auto iso in 5D III)

* it is fully known, what AUto-ISO would need to look like to be "REALLY RIGHT"

To you. To me, the 5DIII implementation looks just perfect, thank you very much.

 

[CanineCandidsByL]

I was chatting with a friend, who has nearly opposite camera needs, about this. We both agreed that just because one of us don't need a feature, doesn't mean the other should argue against the technology (unless there is a better way to do the same thing). Without this agreement, we probably couldn't talk cameras and stay friends.

But....
then we looked at our "perfect camera" with every option we would both love. The camera and its menus would be a monster. The only way to deal with it is to either allow heavy UI customization or at least have "modes of use" which would allow/disallow features. The modes-of-use idea seemed too much like programmed modes, even if they are fully manual. The UI customization seemed great, but no vendor is doing much with that.

Unless someone enters the marked as primarily a hardware vendor and lets people modify the software, I don't thing we'll ever be completely happy. Maybe not even then.

 

[iso79]

Re: Canon is just stupid (still no usable auto iso in 5D III)

You should give up photography if you use auto-iso.

the funny thing is the people who come out with the comments like that are the ones who usually turn out to have much less experience shooting

Yep, we have less experience because we understand exposure and use manual controls 100% of the time ;D

 

[JR]

Re: Canon is just stupid (still no usable auto iso in 5D III)

* it is fully known, what AUto-ISO would need to look like to be "REALLY RIGHT"

To you. To me, the 5DIII implementation looks just perfect, thank you very much.

+1 Amen! Works for me too! Exactly what I was missing in my 5D mkII.

 

[Crapking]

Re: Canon is just stupid (still no usable auto iso in 5D III)

And M, makes no sense at all Sure you could set your limit time, but in AV you could get faster if the light allows it. And in M, the camera has to use higher ISOs because 1/800 F4 just doesn't work in bright sunlight with ISO 200, and its not allowed to use faster times in M. So no gain in picture quality there.

"If the light allows it", then presumably the only 'limitation' is if the light is changing frequently - point taken, but as I read it, in M mode, there are no shutter speed limits, so I STILL only see this as a problem for P mode and Av mode, which requires us to use our judgement in M mode. Ideal no, but certainly not 'crippling'.

 

[Loswr]

Who cares? That not what it is about.

True. Instead, it seems to be about complaining about a particular feature that's already added/improved, just not sufficient for some people's needs/desires, and doing so in an irrelevant place, for pages on end. But then, that's why these forums are here - an outlet for our personal frustrations. So...let the complaining continue..... :

 

[bloodstupid]

OMG calm down and go buy a Nikon or something . Geez .

I would, but having invested 15k of money into Canon lenses wants me to have the smart stuff that Nikon does in my Canon.

 

[markIVantony]

Re: Canon is just stupid (still no usable auto iso in 5D III)

You should give up photography if you use auto-iso.

Auto-ISO is a convenience feature. Using something out of convenience shouldn't preclude anyone from being a photographer, whether they're an amateur or professional.

 

[iso79]

Re: Canon is just stupid (still no usable auto iso in 5D III)

You should give up photography if you use auto-iso.

Auto-ISO is a convenience feature. Using something out of convenience shouldn't preclude anyone from being a photographer, whether they're an amateur or professional.

Sure anyone can be a "photographer" but auto-iso isn't going to help anyone be a great photographer.

 

[Maui5150]

Perhaps you should stick to Point and Shoots for the time being.

Tv or M. 'Nuff Said.

I detect Blue Crane Introduction DVDs in your future.

As i pointed out Tv and M dont solve anything with this. Read and understand.

Sure they do.

If you are shooting in bright sunlight and need to go low and fast, then M is perfect and add either a ND or speedlight as needed.

I would be far more concerned with the camera mismetering when trying to shoot an action shot at speeds of 500 or more, especially if you are dealing with objects such as cars, or anything else that can reflect light.