do you hope for sony sensors in the 5D MK 4?

[jrista]

If Canon used Sony sensors, it reduces Sony's incentive to innovate. You'd have Sony, Canon and Nikon all using the same sensors. You want to talk about a company riding sensor technology for as along as it can? That's exactly what such a non-competitive scenario would encourage!

You're missing the other sensor manufactors in that equation - its not a Sony/Canon duopoly, there are quite a few other players in the game.
On the other hand just look what that self imposed lock in did with DPAF. What could be top of the line is hamstringend by legacy decisions while others deliver what DPAF should have brought.

There are other players, but not necessarily in the digital photography space. Toshiba is another, but for the most part, Sony has a very, very dominant position in the space for digital photography. Other brand sensors, such as Aptina and Omnivision, play mostly in the small form factor segments. Smartphones, video, embedded and machine vision, astrophotography. Sony plays there as well, but in the digital photography segment, particularly the higher end digital photography segment? Even the MFD players have moved to Sony. Nikon is slightly more diverse, with some Toshiba sensors. Panasonic has their own sensors, but a lot of their innovations also don't seem to be getting used in the digital photography segment. Samsung may be moving in, but they don't have much at the moment. That makes Canon and Sony the big players. Canon moving to Sony would remove the only other significant player in this particular market segment...I think that would be very bad, at least for a while. Maybe Samsung could fill in the gaps, but I think they would have a tough time competing against an 1800 pound gorilla.

 

[Lawliet]

There are other players, but not necessarily in the digital photography space.

We also have STM, building for example the sensor for the Leica 240. At the first glance that's not much, but this impression is misleading - the usage of smaller structures left them with at least as much currently mothballed producion capacity, both for large area/small structure lithography and 300mm wafers, as canon has in total. Order in sufficient quantity and I'm sure they'll open one or more lines. Anything less the active 300mm line can handle.
That company isn't a big blip on the radar for DSCs, but they have tons of experience making stuff others find challenging or impossible, and doing it on a large scale. Coincidently multispectral imaging sensors for military usage, something that requires ideas that mirror those foveon-like patents from a while ago.

 

[RGF]

Hope yes

Expect no

 

[Omni Images]

I just want a high MP camera from Canon. "like the one in the Sony A7r" 36mp
Don't care who it's from ... would be good if it was a canon sensor .. I have faith in you Canon.
I don't care what they call it.

 

[Maui5150]

The language I use tends to be very precise

I'm sure you believe that's the case. Metacognition is not everyone's strong suit.

Not to mention people tune out pompous pedantic people

 

[AUGS]

I absolutely hope Canon do NOT use an external sensor in their dSLRs.
1. Competition is good for everyone.
2. Outsourcing only provides short-term relief, and rarely long term gain.
3. Would you prefer to be independent in your development cycle or rely on someone else?
4. Sony is hemorrhaging cash at the moment. Would you rely on that source for your parts? What if Sony decided to sell off the sensor division while it was worth something? Where would that place the 5D5 or ongoing production support for the 5D4? You have just outsourced your expertise and potentially jeopardized that camera development - and possibly every other one too. Will you ever recover?

No, I love my 5D3 and what Canon currently offers is perfectly okay with me. Canon should stick with Canon sensors.

 

[zim]

wee eck will no be happy at this poll!

 

[JohanCruyff]

I hope for good sensors inside any forthcoming camera.

I never tried tha fabulous 8) Canon's Dual Pixel AutoFos, nor the holy Exmor/Sony Sensor, so I can't figure out which would be the best option if I had to choose between the two.

Let me dream to be able to see the blazing fast DPAF 9.0 plus 56 stops of DR in the same sensor.
Before I die.
Which could mean, more or less, before 2050 a.C.

 

[Mitch.Conner]

Why is this thread considered trolling?

Why the harsh response to this thread initially?

The topic is "Do you hope for Sony sensors in the 5D MK 4?"

This seems like a legitimate question given the recent rumor that Canon's next DSLR will sport a Sony made sensor. If you don't like SonyAlphaRumors, how about CanonWatch - which posted the same rumor. In fact, SonyAlphaRumors learned about it from "Steve from CanonWatch" according to the SonyAlphaRumor rumor posting.

With the recent G7X also having what is believed to be a Sony sensor, it certainly doesn't seem impossible. However, as the poll indicated (along with responses to the OP's question), people indeed have mixed feelings about it. 32 members voted "Yes" making up 36.4% of the vote, no small number. 56 members voted "No" making up 63.6% of the vote. More easily understood, roughly 1/3 of those who voted, voted "Yes" - how can that be ignored and scoffed at? Are they all trolls?

Many, myself included, would prefer that Canon continue using its own in-house sensors. A good point was raised by at least one poster that effectively creating a monopoly where Nikon and Canon depend upon Sony is an undesirable situation. Personally, my reason is that I just like the Canon look and assume the sensor plays some role in it. On the other hand, there are some that would like to see a Sony sensor in a Canon camera. Why are they shunned? It seems ridiculous to me when this is a rumor site and there is a rumor about this being a possibility.

 

[jrista]

It surprises me that people don't know that Canon has been using Sony sensors in their small form factor cameras for years, maybe even more than a decade. The use of a Sony sensor in the G7x is nothing new, it isn't even surprising, it is really to be expected as that is more the norm than Canon using one of their own sensors.


On the other hand, Canon using any other brands sensor in their pro-grade DSLRs would be unheard of, and go very, very much against the grain of Canon as a company, the culture they have cultured over decades, their mission statement, everything that is core to Canon as a photography company for professionals. There IS value to Canon's integration...it's just that, to some such as myself, we see that integration being held back by decades-old technology. I'd rather see Canon improve the least common denominator in their integrated ecosystem, than have them buy into the monopoly and potentially stifle innovation.

 

[lintoni]

Re: Why is this thread considered trolling?

Why the harsh response to this thread initially?

Because the thread was originated as a troll poll?

Have a look at the OP's posts on Canon Rumors and make up your own mind.

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=373924