I really like the second pic... Just goes to show you don't need a squillion focus points and a 5D3 to take good pics!!
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Impressions of the weekend, feedback appreciated
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Janbo Makimbo said:
Why? RPL loves throwing out personal insults but always fails to actually refute my point with example images, as I so often request. Personally, I think he has the hots for me (I think it is my accent), he pays way too much attention to me to not like me...............
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RLPhoto said:
Actually I'd prefer some images from you that contradicts my post, but as always you can't supply them.
I'm not the one being emotional here though, I made a photography orientated post that others have subsequently agreed with, whereas you made personal attacks and avoided the photography, nothing new there either.
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RLPhoto said:
My my we are feisty tonight aren't we? Good to see your memory is not failing you, DOH! But we should be thankful, you are, at last, being consistent. ;D
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php/topic,18198.msg339419.html#msg339419
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php/topic,17652.msg332755.html#msg332755
Now where are your images that illustrate your comment that I don't know what I am talking about?
It is funny, I posted an illustrative image on this very subject recently.
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php/topic,17668.msg330362.html#msg330362
Not an altogether magic moment, but it served its purpose perfectly as it illustrated my point, remember that concept? And it maintained the site visibility I am comfortable with.
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So first curtain and clockwise or second curtain and anti clockwise, and what are the definitive points proving that?
As for my work, I haven't avoided the question, I will not post it here on CR, that is the answer, the same answer I have given you many times before. I don't care if that is unacceptable to you or if it means you, personally, consider my posts worthless. The points I make are normally easily checked by anybody with an interest in the specific area or technique under discussion but are often misrepresented as "deal breakers" or "issues" when often they are not, that is why I am sometimes so stubborn.
It isn't my fault that after all this time you still believe that in dance shots there is a difference between first and second curtain sync, even though I have explained why, in simple terms, there isn't; it also isn't my fault you can't see the logic and professionalism you get from normalised results by profiling your cameras/lenses/flashes. But believe me, in time, you will, I was way more "knowledgeable" and stubborn when I was your age than you are, and we didn't have the internet to prove it!
Now in the name of peace in the forums I suggest we stick to the subject of photography, I do that way better than personal relationships with people I have never met and who clearly have no respect for my opinions, even though they can't actually disprove them.
Sometimes I am wrong, if you believe that to be so then don't attack me, educate me.
As for my work, I haven't avoided the question, I will not post it here on CR, that is the answer, the same answer I have given you many times before. I don't care if that is unacceptable to you or if it means you, personally, consider my posts worthless. The points I make are normally easily checked by anybody with an interest in the specific area or technique under discussion but are often misrepresented as "deal breakers" or "issues" when often they are not, that is why I am sometimes so stubborn.
It isn't my fault that after all this time you still believe that in dance shots there is a difference between first and second curtain sync, even though I have explained why, in simple terms, there isn't; it also isn't my fault you can't see the logic and professionalism you get from normalised results by profiling your cameras/lenses/flashes. But believe me, in time, you will, I was way more "knowledgeable" and stubborn when I was your age than you are, and we didn't have the internet to prove it!
Now in the name of peace in the forums I suggest we stick to the subject of photography, I do that way better than personal relationships with people I have never met and who clearly have no respect for my opinions, even though they can't actually disprove them.
Sometimes I am wrong, if you believe that to be so then don't attack me, educate me.
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privatebydesign said:
Please see this page http://www.fotolehrgang.de/notiz_Mythos_Synchronisation_auf_den_zweiten_Verschlussvorhang.htm . It doesn't matter that it is written in German as the pictures in it describe the difference pretty well. It all depends on the look you want to achieve.
For the 2nd picture in that website you absolutely need 2nd curtain sync. Does not necessarily mean that the look which 1st curtain sync creates is bad and ruins the shot, but it just looks different - and that is the point.
Edit: Can't speak for dance photography - never done that.
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polarhannes said:
Thanks, for our German-challenged native speakers: the link (including some samples) basically says what privatebydesign wrote above ... 2nd curtain sync should be used with care as it's hard or even impossible to predict where your subject is when the flash fires, and often (like a carousel, but also dance) the movement direction doesn't matter so you can just use 1st curtain sync.
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Thanks polarhannes, that is exactly the scenario I described in this thread and linked to above, though not as graphically, which is why I often use illustrative images. http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php/topic,17668.msg330362.html#msg330362
Marsu42, thanks for the concise summary.
Marsu42, thanks for the concise summary.
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Basically I agree with both RLPhoto and privatebydesign.
RLPhoto says: It does make a difference -> Agreed, it does under specific circumstances as the website clearly demonstrates with the car pictures.
privatebydesign says: Does not matter for dance photography under some specific circumstances -> Agreed, it is very hard to predict where the dancers will be when the flash fires if set to 2nd curtain sync.
So both of you are right - no need to fight each other. I think you you just misunderstood each other.
Back to topic:
OP, thanks for sharing! I really like the pictures and the unique look you created.
RLPhoto says: It does make a difference -> Agreed, it does under specific circumstances as the website clearly demonstrates with the car pictures.
privatebydesign says: Does not matter for dance photography under some specific circumstances -> Agreed, it is very hard to predict where the dancers will be when the flash fires if set to 2nd curtain sync.
So both of you are right - no need to fight each other. I think you you just misunderstood each other.
Back to topic:
OP, thanks for sharing! I really like the pictures and the unique look you created.
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RLPhoto
Gear doesn't matter, Just a Matter of Convenience.
privatebydesign said:So first curtain and clockwise or second curtain and anti clockwise, and what are the definitive points proving that?
As for my work, I haven't avoided the question, I will not post it here on CR, that is the answer, the same answer I have given you many times before. I don't care if that is unacceptable to you or if it means you, personally, consider my posts worthless. The points I make are normally easily checked by anybody with an interest in the specific area or technique under discussion but are often misrepresented as "deal breakers" or "issues" when often they are not, that is why I am sometimes so stubborn.
It isn't my fault that after all this time you still believe that in dance shots there is a difference between first and second curtain sync, even though I have explained why, in simple terms, there isn't; it also isn't my fault you can't see the logic and professionalism you get from normalised results by profiling your cameras/lenses/flashes. But believe me, in time, you will, I was way more "knowledgeable" and stubborn when I was your age than you are, and we didn't have the internet to prove it!
Now in the name of peace in the forums I suggest we stick to the subject of photography, I do that way better than personal relationships with people I have never met and who clearly have no respect for my opinions, even though they can't actually disprove them.
Sometimes I am wrong, if you believe that to be so then don't attack me, educate me.
More Knowledgeable? and Suggesting to stick to the subject of photography? Hmmm... A Bit hard to wrap my brain around those two thing's w/o any photography from yourself. XD
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