Is an 8K EOS-1D C Replacement Coming? [CR1]

[Canon Rumors]

<p>With the <a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/deal-canon-eos-1d-c-3999-reg-7999/">recent discount</a> on the C-Log, 4K equipped Canon EOS-1D C DSLR, there has been a lot of chatter about a possible replacement.</p>
<p>The latest is that we’ll see an EOS-1D C Mark II in 2017 and it’ll be capable of shooting 8K.</p>
<p>This is the first we’ve heard of such a camera in development, which shouldn’t come as a surprise. The original EOS-1D C, while a great camera with great video quality, didn’t sell all that well at its launch price of $14,999.</p>
<p>There are very few 8K cameras on the market that you can buy, ARRI doesn’t even have one yet. We’re not sure Canon is going to be introducing 8K into a DSLR, especially after showing their 8K prototype at the Canon EXPO which will likely end up a Cinema EOS style camera. In an interview with Tim Smith around NAB, it didn’t seem like we’d be seeing an 8K consumer product from Canon any time soon.</p>
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<p>If an 8K replacement to the EOS-1D C does happen, it couldn’t just be an EOS-1D X Mark II with the capability added, as the sensor doesn’t have enough resolution. We suspect that we’ll see 8K addressed in some way at NAB in April of 2017.</p>
<p>Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2 is the first feature film shot in 8K using the RED Weapon. <a href="https://twitter.com/JamesGunn/status/684830923913859080">¹</a></p>
<p>For the moment, we put this at highly unlikely for 2017, but If we hear anything from trusted sources on the possible development of an EOS-1D C Mark II, we’ll let you know.</p>
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[rrcphoto]

it wouldn't surprise me if canon does that.

8K 1DC II and a 120MP DSLR next year. hard drives beware!

 

[LordofTackle]

it wouldn't surprise me if canon does that.

8K 1DC II and a 120MP DSLR next year. hard drives beware!

Ouch, 4k with MJPEG is already brutal

 

[bsbeamer]

If Canon wants to continue to charge 50%+ more than their competition for similar products, being one of the first to market is the best way to have a successful launch. I hope this happens. They need to justify their prices somehow for larger market appeal.

 

[tron]

There is a CR2.5 that it will come. You will just have to increase by one the third digit of the year ;D

 

[douglaurent]

How do 7640 pixels wide come into a 1D camera?

Only 8K capable Canon camera would be a 5Ds follow up.
As even the Full HD video of the 5Ds was so horrible, that Canon didn't even mention it was their first full frame camera with video autofocus, I doubt that will happen either.

I have shot 60fps (real more like 50) raw 20MP / 6K photo series with the new Olympus E-M1II, which most likely will be implemented as short 6K video sequences in the GH5 in 3 months. This is really amazing, so Canon should start to think about more resolution than 4K. AND raw video.

4K/8MP video leaves no room for cropping, and 8K/32MP video is not really necessary and a bit too much. So the most logical thing would be to go 6K/20MP. Which means a 1DC2 with current sensor and 6K/20MP would be more realistic.

Aside from that, I'll be the first to pre-order a Canon 8K cam, as long as they are ahead with the technology, and not behind a few years as in many other cases right now like stabilization.

 

[Besisika]

it wouldn't surprise me if canon does that.

8K 1DC II and a 120MP DSLR next year. hard drives beware!

Ouch, 4k with MJPEG is already brutal

It wouldn't be that brutal if they allow it through HDMI. But yes, without it, it is a nightmare.

 

[unfocused]

The recent discount was from one dealer only, so it's impossible to know what was driving the decision by B&H to cut the cost that much. They may have overbought at some point and are trying to cut their losses in anticipation of an eventual replacement, but we can't know for sure.

Even if a replacement is on the way, there are a lot of changes that could be made other than 8K. Switching to the new sensor fabrication process might be sufficient justification to produce a new model that remains 4K, but with better image quality.

 

[RGF]

what would the resolution be? 7680 x 4320 or 33 MP frames. Imagine being able to shoot 33 MP DSLR at 30-60 FPS!!!

Do video camera shoot in a raw or jpg like compressed format?

Not sure I could afford that camera, but it would definite push the envelop.

 

[RunAndGun]

I've been saying this for a long time... There's not gonna be a new 1Dc. The original, while it did have its fans, was always a stop-gap product.

If we see a direct 1Dc replacement come to market, I will be totally surprised.

 

[Etienne]

I think they'll do it in order to make a statement and prove that they are a brand to watch. It'll make news, and see some use on big productions as a small camera that can fit in tight spaces and still produce an 8K image.

 

[Crosswind]

There aren't even 8k displays on the market...

 

[bsbeamer]

There aren't even 8k displays on the market...

Not in the traditional all-in-one monitor sense, but there 8K displays available. There were 8K broadcast tests from the 2016 Rio Olympics from NHK in Japan. NHK is planning on broadcasting the entire 2020 Olympics in 8K. TV manufacturers Sony & Panasonic are (apparently) prepping new products for release prior to then. Japan has already standardized their 8K UHDTV as Super Hi-Vision. Realistic digital IMAX acquisition is not too far off at this point, especially with the RED EPIC-W 8K and WEAPON 8K available.

 

[bsbeamer]

I think they'll do it in order to make a statement and prove that they are a brand to watch. It'll make news, and see some use on big productions as a small camera that can fit in tight spaces and still produce an 8K image.

If they want their higher end cameras like the C700 (and future improvement models) to be taken seriously and be well received by the "Hollywood" industry, then it's what they need to do. Taking a bigger bite out of the ARRI market is the best way to steal market share if they ever want to be a go-to digital cinema company.

 

[roxics]

what would the resolution be? 7680 x 4320 or 33 MP frames. Imagine being able to shoot 33 MP DSLR at 30-60 FPS!!!

Do video camera shoot in a raw or jpg like compressed format?

Not sure I could afford that camera, but it would definite push the envelop.

Canon 4K on DSLRs shoots to a motion jpeg codec. But other digital cinema cameras do shoot raw or compressed raw or ProRes/DNxHR. All of which is better in quality than H.264.

 

[roxics]

There aren't even 8k displays on the market...

That's fine. Some of us video people didn't even want 4K TVs on the market because it's overkill for many people and we wanted room to work with our 4K footage.

The same would be true of 8K, give us affordable 8K/6K cameras, but keep the TV market at 4K at most so we have some space to breath.

The ARRI Alexa for example, the dominate digital cinema camera for big productions is not even a 4K camera.

 

[drs]

Interesting idea, highly unlikely though, IMHO.

If it happens, I want one, if:
Rolling shutter is not visible.
The stored information is at least 10bit/channel.
This would give a real 4K image for sure ;o)

It would be the sensor of the 5d S/R I guess.

 

[sanj]

10 bit is mandatory. If yes, it will be a hit.

 

[rs]

I have shot 60fps (real more like 50) raw 20MP / 6K photo series with the new Olympus E-M1II

I think you'll find that's 5K

 

[davidj]

Canon's cinema lenses are for a Super 35 sized sensor, so, if my maths is correct, this 1D C II would need a 72MP full frame sensor to do Super 35 8K.