mhm... open letter to canon?

[Canon-F1]

with all the complains about canons 6D autofocus why is no website, that cares about canon in one way or the other, writing an open letter to canon... demanding a statement?

i mean.... dpreview wrote it´s a rather dissapointing camera and i have yet to read a preview that is not puzzled by the low-tech AF.

if we complain here in a forum .. canon cares a sh*t.

but if a popular and frequented website writes something and is not afraid to tell the truth... maybe canon will take notice and feel obligated to react?

or maybe it´s to late here and im just bored and tired.....

 

[Loswr]

or maybe it´s to late here and im just bored and tired.....

Bingo.

 

[Canon-F1]

or maybe it´s to late here and im just bored and tired.....

Bingo.

well yeah we know you like to complain in dark corners, quietly about the 6D.. but that will for sure change nothing.

 

[Gothmoth]

to be honest, i like to see a website raise uncomfortable questions.

but today it´s all nice "blahblah".

when a website is lucky enough to get an interview, it looks like they do everthing to keep the manager comfortable.

the result is an interview that is nothing more then boring PR.
cheap advertising for the companys.

when have you read an interview with a canon manager where the interviewer asked question you would ask?

 

[Loswr]

Lol. Since I use a 1D X and love it, I honestly couldn't care less if the 6D is a rebadged 20D or a 5DIII for hundreds less...

 

[Canon-F1]

Lol. Since I use a 1D X and love it, I honestly couldn't care less if the 6D is a rebadged 20D or a 5DIII for hundreds less...

nevertheless

And a happy 0th birthday to the ugly, red-headed stepchild of the FF family, aka the 6D

Only one cross-type sensor, and that one not even a dual cross.

Now that the 60D's 9 cross-type AF with center f/2.8 dual cross has trickled down to the T4i/650D, IMO the Rebel line has a better AF system than the 6D.

Weak. Very weak.
.....

 

[RuneL]

To put it bluntly.

Who really gives a shit. There are more pressing issues in this world you should be penning angry and frustrated letters about. So I can't really do anything than shrug and laugh this off as utter bloody madness.

 

[Canon-F1]

To put it bluntly.

Who really gives a S___.

i guess those complaining here in this forum?

There are more pressing issues in this world you should be penning angry and frustrated letters about. So I can't really do anything than shrug and laugh this off as utter bloody madness.

all im saying is, it will sure make more sense then complaining in this forum.

 

[Loswr]

Lol. Since I use a 1D X and love it, I honestly couldn't care less if the 6D is a rebadged 20D or a 5DIII for hundreds less...

nevertheless

And a happy 0th birthday to the ugly, red-headed stepchild of the FF family, aka the 6D

Only one cross-type sensor, and that one not even a dual cross.

Now that the 60D's 9 cross-type AF with center f/2.8 dual cross has trickled down to the T4i/650D, IMO the Rebel line has a better AF system than the 6D.

Weak. Very weak.
.....

Touché, Sir.

 

[Zlatko]

with all the complains about canons 6D autofocus why is no website, that cares about canon in one way or the other, writing an open letter to canon... demanding a statement?

i mean.... dpreview wrote it´s a rather dissapointing camera and i have yet to read a preview that is not puzzled by the low-tech AF.

if we complain here in a forum .. canon cares a sh*t.

but if a popular and frequented website writes something and is not afraid to tell the truth... maybe canon will take notice and feel obligated to react?

or maybe it´s to late here and im just bored and tired.....

The 6D is supposed to excel at low-light autofocus. If you don't need that, then it probably wasn't built for you but rather for users who need that. If you have different needs for AF, Canon offers the 5D3 and 1DX. If none of those meet your needs, there are Nikon and Sony and others. Why complain that Canon isn't making the exact camera you want at the price you want at the time that you want it? No manufacturer can satisfy everyone. If Canon builds the exact camera that you want, then other potential buyers can rightfully "demand a statement" as to why Canon didn't build the camera that they wanted at the price that they wanted at the time that they wanted it. There would be no end to such statements. Besides, who has tested the 6D's AF and found it lacking? People are complaining before they can even try the camera.

 

[RuneL]

Demanding a statement about what, exactly? That Sony right now produces some bloody good sensors and have some patents that Canon are having a hard time working around? That Nikon right now are better in some areas?
That Canon cameras are so bad right now that you can't make any money compared to Nikon shooters? That Canons pricing is wrong compared to Nikons?

We are all free to choose any manufacturer we want.

I'm not a Canon fan or anything, but this is just insane. People are doing awesome things with old consumer cameras.

If you are saying people should cram their complaining, yeah, then I agree completely.

 

[dr croubie]

Well, if you know anyone at Luminous Landscape, they could possibly help you out, they've just done an Open Letter to Sigma (down the bottom) about the lack of RAW-support for their Foveon sensors (and apparently their own software is horrid).
I'm not sure how much coverage they give to Canon stuff though, there's a few reviews of older equipment, but nothing recent (seeing as Canon doesn't exactly have a 'Landscape' camera, it's all events and sports lately), LL does mostly MF bodies and the occasional Street.

Of course, even if they do write open letter, there's also the point that whether it acutally amounts to anything is another thing entirely...

 

[bdunbar79]

I honestly think the 6D will be a very good FF camera.

 

[pz-photography]

I tried the AF of the 6D last tuesday @ photokina in cologne as one of the very first people. I'm sick of all the complaning about the AF system. The only thing that is not as good as my 5D III is the spread of AF points, they are more in the center of the frame than the ones in the D600, too. But in terms of speed? Seriously, I didn't find any difference in focussing speed with the center AF point compared to my 5D. It was accurate and really fast! there is not that much light at the canon booth and they had not the fastest lens on it (24-105 4.0) and even in that conditions it was totally accurate and fast while focussing pretty dark and structureless targets, also with the other AF points. I think we can believe canon that it can focus in half as much light as the 5D III. I tried the AF for 20 minutes and was pretty impressed. It's a completely diffrent system then the 5D II or 60D, so it doesn't matter if its 1 cross/dualcross/wtfcrosspoint or 10 or 100. It works absolutely fine! So STOP COMPLANING until you had the camera in your hands, took it into dark environment and experienced something completely diffrent!

 

[Loswr]

It was accurate and really fast! there is not that much light at the canon booth and they had not the fastest lens on it (24-105 4.0) and even in that conditions it was totally accurate... It's a completely diffrent system then the 5D II or 60D, so it doesn't matter if its 1 cross/dualcross/wtfcrosspoint or 10 or 100. It works absolutely fine! So STOP COMPLANING until you had the camera in your hands, took it into dark environment and experienced something completely diffrent!

What looks spot on when reviewing on the LCD is often OOF when reviewing on a monitor during post. 'Totally accurate' with the deep DoF of an f/4 lens is not the same as totally accurate with the razor-thin DoF of an f/1.2 lens and a close subject. How was the AI Servo tracking performance?

I'm not complaining, just suggesting that the jury is still out, and 20 minutes with a camera at a trade show does is not sufficient for a thorough test.

 

[7enderbender]

Indeed, Canon will not care about some letter from a bunch of camera gear geeks like all of us here or elsewhere. Vote with you feet. I personally doubt that the 6D will sell very well. But I'm sure Canon has done their market research and have their reasons to believe that it is a good model for them to release as it is. Maybe it's just there to drive the sales of other models. I really don't know. There is not enough detail in their financial statements to fully figure it out - or at least I couldn't the last time I looked at their data -yes, I'm really geekish enough to actually do such a thing; I do, however, draw the line at specialized industry market research reports that you can buy for big chunks of money...

Canon (and very few others) has a fascinating business model in a very difficult environment that has dramatically changed over the last decade and a half. They have done many many things right and at the right time. The fact that they still exist is somewhat of a miracle and attests to the fact that their marketing folks are as savvy as their developers at least.

By the way: the next industry changing wave of disruptive innovation is well underway. And it may be more difficult for Canon and Nikon then the digital revolution. With the capabilities of iPhones and such the market for P&S cameras and even entry level DSLRs may shrink. That's a problem because for these companies that's where the money is - not counting Canon's "professional" (non-camera related) business line or Nikon's medical devices, etc.

So instead of whining and complaining about this, that and the other we should be glad that we still have options. I could see a future where professional grade cameras might be very expensive items for a small market segment. Think Leica's business model. This kind of stuff has happened in other sectors. I'm thinking of professional audio equipment for instance. While a lot of things have become digital and dirt cheap - and surprisingly good, other high grade pieces of gear have become very very expensive for those who need it or think they need it. Or try finding a real watch maker these days. Mechanical watches have become a pure luxury item and the handful of people who can service them charge an arm and a leg.

If we are moving into a direction where large(r) format SLRs or beyond become considered obsolete by the vast majority of users you are going to end up paying dearly to the few specialized manufactures who still make this for you.

 

[verysimplejason]

I feel there's no need for an open letter. Sales performance alone will be enough for Canon to finally listen. So I love the more negative comments Canon receives, the more a lot of people will buy Nikon. When that happens, maybe Canon will finally listen. Besides, I think Canon marketing people are always listening to all those whinings from Canon users. It's one of their responsibilities after all.

 

[andy]

This is my first post here at Canon Rumours. Don't laugh... yesterday I ordered a 6D with the 24-105L lens. I am promised delivery in December. I currently have a T1i and four canon lens (two L's and soon three). Over the past three years I have taken quite a few photos and gradually become more interested in and able to produce better photographs. I have read quite extensively which has helped my photos quality progress and I have been looking at getting a better camera for months. I like the Canon system and would rather not have to learn a second one. Not being a pro, and not wanting to be, I am looking for a camera that will allow me to be more creative and get the shots I envision. I want to explore nature videos and night and landscape photography, although most of my current photos are of people. I decided on the 6D since I expect it will be at least as good as the 5d mark ii and since it is new it should serve me well for a number of years. Some of the features that convinced me to go for this camera were the built in lens correction using downloadable lens profiles (I have a 24mm 1.4II that really needs a better camera), the focal adjustment, the wifi, the full frame sensor (I like that it has a bigger pixel than the 5d mark iii even if fewer). None of the lack of features that people have been complaining about on the site seemed like deal-breakers to me. Since I am still collecting lens and trying many different types of photography I am not set on buying the "ultimate" camera at this time. By not buying the 5D mark iii I am able to buy a camera and another lens. For me, the 6D suits me more than the other offerings out there at this time and I am so excited. I can't wait for December.

 

[bdunbar79]

This is my first post here at Canon Rumours. Don't laugh... yesterday I ordered a 6D with the 24-105L lens. I am promised delivery in December. I currently have a T1i and four canon lens (two L's and soon three). Over the past three years I have taken quite a few photos and gradually become more interested in and able to produce better photographs. I have read quite extensively which has helped my photos quality progress and I have been looking at getting a better camera for months. I like the Canon system and would rather not have to learn a second one. Not being a pro, and not wanting to be, I am looking for a camera that will allow me to be more creative and get the shots I envision. I want to explore nature videos and night and landscape photography, although most of my current photos are of people. I decided on the 6D since I expect it will be at least as good as the 5d mark ii and since it is new it should serve me well for a number of years. Some of the features that convinced me to go for this camera were the built in lens correction using downloadable lens profiles (I have a 24mm 1.4II that really needs a better camera), the focal adjustment, the wifi, the full frame sensor (I like that it has a bigger pixel than the 5d mark iii even if fewer). None of the lack of features that people have been complaining about on the site seemed like deal-breakers to me. Since I am still collecting lens and trying many different types of photography I am not set on buying the "ultimate" camera at this time. By not buying the 5D mark iii I am able to buy a camera and another lens. For me, the 6D suits me more than the other offerings out there at this time and I am so excited. I can't wait for December.

Congratulations on your purchase! The 6D will certainly offer at least as much or more in regards to IQ as the 5D Mark II and if anything, possibly better AF performance in low light. Enjoy it and I hope you don't have to wait too long to get it!

 

[distant.star]

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"Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed: everything else is public relations."
-George Orwell

I have seen no journalism in the photography equipment field. The nearest we have to journalism is Roger at Lens Rentals, and that's a sad situation for consumers.

to be honest, i like to see a website raise uncomfortable questions.

but today it´s all nice "blahblah".

when a website is lucky enough to get an interview, it looks like they do everthing to keep the manager comfortable.

the result is an interview that is nothing more then boring PR.
cheap advertising for the companys.

when have you read an interview with a canon manager where the interviewer asked question you would ask?