Nifty 50 or Shorty 40?

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jdramirez said:
My initial response was... 40mm if you are on crop, 50mm if you are on full frame. Since you have a 6D, I think the 50mm f/1.4 is a good option. Put a hard plastic hood on their and you should be safe from any AF issues.

I'd actually say 40mm on a full frame, "none of the above" on a crop body. I own the 40mm. On my XTi, I'd describe it as a good portrait lens. I really don't find it to be wide enough to use as a walk-around lens. As always, personal tastes vary.

Just for fun, I used sqlite to dump the focal length of every shot in my Lightroom database, then ran a histogram on the data.


10mm2406
11-30mm10518
31-45mm2582
46-60mm2376
61-120mm4262
121-600mm2130

There are two obvious hot spots around 10mm (2,406 pictures at full wide on my 10–22) and 17mm (4,195 picture at full wide on my 17-85). I took 6,526 pictures in the 16-20mm range. The median is 28mm. The mode is 17mm. Standard deviation is 69.02.

Obviously YMMV. Widely.
 
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dgatwood said:
jdramirez said:
My initial response was... 40mm if you are on crop, 50mm if you are on full frame. Since you have a 6D, I think the 50mm f/1.4 is a good option. Put a hard plastic hood on their and you should be safe from any AF issues.

I'd actually say 40mm on a full frame, "none of the above" on a crop body. I own the 40mm. On my XTi, I'd describe it as a good portrait lens. I really don't find it to be wide enough to use as a walk-around lens. As always, personal tastes vary.

Just for fun, I used sqlite to dump the focal length of every shot in my Lightroom database, then ran a histogram on the data.


10mm2406
11-30mm10518
31-45mm2582
46-60mm2376
61-120mm4262
121-600mm2130

There are two obvious hot spots around 10mm (2,406 pictures at full wide on my 10–22) and 17mm (4,195 picture at full wide on my 17-85). I took 6,526 pictures in the 16-20mm range. The median is 28mm. The mode is 17mm. Standard deviation is 69.02.

Obviously YMMV. Widely.

I would very much like to do that myself. Was it free? Was it hard?
 
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jdramirez said:
dgatwood said:
Just for fun, I used sqlite to dump the focal length of every shot in my Lightroom database, then ran a histogram on the data.

I would very much like to do that myself. Was it free? Was it hard?

Pretty easy, actually, at least on OS X. I have no idea on Windows. Lightroom just uses a SQLite database, so you can run any SQL queries on the thing and get back results. For example:

Code:
# Make a copy of the library just to be extra careful:
cp ~/Pictures/Lightroom/"Lightroom 4 Catalog.lrcat" lr4.sqlite3

# Run a query that dumps the focal length of every shot:
sqlite3 lr4.sqlite3 "select focalLength from AgHarvestedExifMetadata;" > focallengths

I then opened that in TextEdit, copied the resulting file (which contains one length per line), and pasted it into a Numbers spreadsheet. I then sorted the list and deleted everything below 10mm (iPhone pictures), though I really should have limited the query by camera type to begin with, e.g.

Code:
sqlite3 lr4.sqlite3 "select * from AgInternedExifCameraModel;

# Look at the list and create a comma-delimited list of the index number on the left
# end of each interesting row, e.g.:

sqlite3 lr4.sqlite3 "select focalLength from AgHarvestedExifMetadata where cameraModelRef in ('510367', '509132');"

Either way, once you have the numbers in a spreadsheet, you can do various sorts of statistics on the list.
 
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Harley said:
Find a good condition Canon FL or FD 55mm f/1.2 and get the EdMika conversion kit (eBay). You'll have an incredible, inexpensive, fast lens that you won't want to take off your camera body.

A Canon FD 55 1.2 SSC in good shape plus the mika conversion will amount to close to 500 USD and you have the probability of hitting the mirror in infinity. I have that combo, it does produce a particular look but wide open it is only good for portraiture (lots of aberrations that give a certain surreal look).

In your place and with hindsight experience of buying a bunch of lenses I would advice strongly to save a bit and get the very best first rate lens that you can afford later on. It is not worth spending some cash just because you have a couple hundred dollars to spare and coincidentally the 40 2.8 or the 50 1.8 are in that price range.

My advice to you would definitively be to save a bit and get yourself the Sigma 35 1.4 which used can be a very attractive proposition. The 6D deserves first rate lenses and the 35 1.4 (a top tier 35mm, sharpest of all) will serve you handsomely in moderately wide landscape, general and even portraiture. Not to mention super fast 1.4 aperture that will do wonders in low light with the sigma....

Now, if you really need to chose now between the 40 and the 50 I´d give the 40 a try.

Good luck with the choice!
 
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A lot of good answers but most of them aren't choosing one of the two options provided. I have both lenses with a 6D and it really depends on what you want to shoot.
These lenses are very similar, in my opinion the only important differences are AF speed and max aperture.

If you are shooting moving subjects in low light, the 50 1.8 will end up being too slow to focus for you. The 40mm will be much faster.

If you are trying to get a shallower DOF, go with the 50 1.8

In all other situations they are pretty well matched.
 
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fegari said:
In your place and with hindsight experience of buying a bunch of lenses I would advice strongly to save a bit and get the very best first rate lens that you can afford later on. It is not worth spending some cash just because you have a couple hundred dollars to spare and coincidentally the 40 2.8 or the 50 1.8 are in that price range.

My advice to you would definitively be to save a bit and get yourself the Sigma 35 1.4 which used can be a very attractive proposition. The 6D deserves first rate lenses and the 35 1.4 (a top tier 35mm, sharpest of all) will serve you handsomely in moderately wide landscape, general and even portraiture. Not to mention super fast 1.4 aperture that will do wonders in low light with the sigma....

I went the other way. I would suggest not losing money when you buy and subsequently sell lenses. The best way to do that is to buy a lens when it is on sale (obviously), but even more so, buy used good condition lenses and canon direct refurbs.

So let's say the normal price for a 50mm f/1.4 is a $349. There was a sale price for $285 the other day. Or a canon refurb is $320 but with a 20% discount, it would only be $256 (before tax). It's subsequent resale value is around $300 in really good condition.

So buy the lens, use it for a year or two, and then sell it for what you paid, or maybe for a little bit of a profit.

The key is keeping it in like new condition.

So buy a lens at a good price, and use it for a while and then when you are ready to upgrade, it is almost like you had that money in escrow and you are able to tap into any time you want.

As an FYI, bodies lose their value quickly because they are replaced frequently with better models. Lenses aren't quite that way because even if a better/newer model comes out, it is still cheaper than the newer model which helps keeps its value higher, and more often than not, the older lens is still really good.

3rd party lenses lose value much faster than Canon lenses. They may be good, but the market for Canon lenses is significantly larger than Tokina/Sigma/Tamron/etc.
 
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kennephoto said:
Pancake on FF is a lot of fun! You can take fun photos of you and your significant other by holding the camera out in front of you and get good fun shots! I've had the 50 1.8 and I still prefer my pancake, it makes good bokeh too!

I HATE seeing the "hold your camera at arms length to take a self portrait photo". Buy a IR wireless shutter release.

http://www.amazon.com/Opteka-RC-4-Wireless-Control-Digital/dp/B0019RGQVU/ref=sr_1_19?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1372620757&sr=1-19&keywords=wireless+shutter+release+canon
 
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a few hundred left, a small lightweight and relatively fast lens = 85mm 1.8 for me...

Otherwise, if it has to be between the two I'd get the 50 1.8 (I do have the version 1 of that lens)
 
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