I really liked the Wifi on the 6D, and was kind of shocked it did not turn up on the 7D MK II... what do you think the chances of it appearing on the 5D MK IV?
Wifi on 5D MK IV?
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Probably not so good. For me, the only good it'd be is for me to get a photo or two off of it onto my phone to post somewhere while I'm out and about. Plus, it's a big battery drain when active. In addition, they'd need some kind of external antenna like they did for the 7d2 GPS receiver antenna (I'm guessing what that bulge thing is on the top next to the hotshoe is), which would be a lot more of a challenge in design & build, and might compromise the build a bit (not sure on this one).
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Diko said:
Cheap and clunky. Nobody wants to carry cables around with them if they don't have to. Cables should stay behind in the hotel room. I'd bring an SD card reader for my phone long before I'd use something like that setup, but even that means extra crap to have to carry around, all to save what, three or four bucks on the BOM cost?
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+100!
After 7D II without WiFi I consider it quite possible that Canon is also going to withhold WiFi on 5D IV. They seem to believe they can get away telling us to just shut up and buy their ridiculously expensive and ultra-clunky WTF bricks. http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17858967-lg.jpg
After 7D II without WiFi I consider it quite possible that Canon is also going to withhold WiFi on 5D IV. They seem to believe they can get away telling us to just shut up and buy their ridiculously expensive and ultra-clunky WTF bricks. http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17858967-lg.jpg
dgatwood said:
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AvTvM said:
If you imagine the 7d2 with a battery grip for extended wifi life, it probably doesn't make that much of a difference though the add-on has awkward cables connecting the two parts.
AvTvM said:
I'm sure Canon doesn't mind 5d4 customers spending another hundred €€€ to get the wifi, but that might not be the only reason:
The built-in wifi on the 6d is "nice to have", but has limited range and draws a lot of battery - making it feel kind of "amateurish". As professionals are expected to use the 5d4, it comes down to neither optics nor portability, but pure performance and "getting the job done". Looking at a full-blown camera rig with flash, bracket, battery pack and a large lens, another add-on probably doesn't matter that much.
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the extremely poor WiFi implementation in the (consumer grade) 6D should definitely not serve as an excuse for Canon to finally put wireless communciations [WiFi plus GPS plus RT-flash commander) INSIDE the 5D IV.
Plus truly kick-ass Android and iOS Apps to go with it. Current CamRanger functionality should mark the lower limit.
Nobody wants extra bricks or flash-shoe accessories, when it could all be neatly built in. As far as battery charge is concerned there are two measures for Canon to take: 1. make all those radio modules easy to switch on/off when and as required and 2. deliver better "original" batteries for the massive prices asked.
btw. up to now there seem to be no specs available for the new LP-E6N batteries (for 7D II). Exactly how much (more) charge do these hold? Specific *guaranteed minimum* mAh / Watt hrs please, no marketing fluff!
Plus truly kick-ass Android and iOS Apps to go with it. Current CamRanger functionality should mark the lower limit.
Nobody wants extra bricks or flash-shoe accessories, when it could all be neatly built in. As far as battery charge is concerned there are two measures for Canon to take: 1. make all those radio modules easy to switch on/off when and as required and 2. deliver better "original" batteries for the massive prices asked.
btw. up to now there seem to be no specs available for the new LP-E6N batteries (for 7D II). Exactly how much (more) charge do these hold? Specific *guaranteed minimum* mAh / Watt hrs please, no marketing fluff!
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For me, I think built in wifi is not only essential, but is an inevitability.
With lightroom and photoshop available on tablet/phone devices, and the speed of connections, it seems logical to me. Take a shot, and back it up to the cloud directly?
Also, new wifi HDD means you could potentially back-up directly to that too?
Fine, it could be a battery drain, but it is not as though it needs to be on all the time.
I use my iPhone cam for snap shots to share... i would love to do this easily with my 5D (as you can with the 6D).
I say bring it, to hell with the battery drain!
With lightroom and photoshop available on tablet/phone devices, and the speed of connections, it seems logical to me. Take a shot, and back it up to the cloud directly?
Also, new wifi HDD means you could potentially back-up directly to that too?
Fine, it could be a battery drain, but it is not as though it needs to be on all the time.
I use my iPhone cam for snap shots to share... i would love to do this easily with my 5D (as you can with the 6D).
I say bring it, to hell with the battery drain!
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As I principly use my 6d for landscape Ive found both the Wi-Fi and the GPS great additions. I regularly go out onto Dartmoor which is one of the last remaining wildernesses in the UK and its covered in hundreds of Tors (Granite Hills). Many are named and the GPS can pin point which one is which particularly the lessor known ones. Equally it can be very windy out on the moors and using my iPhone as the remote definately has attractions not least allowing live view.
All this Im sure is attractive to Pro Landscape photographers or even Pro Wildlife photographers and I know for instance that a couple of Canon Pro users used the 6d for this reason.
All this Im sure is attractive to Pro Landscape photographers or even Pro Wildlife photographers and I know for instance that a couple of Canon Pro users used the 6d for this reason.
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jeffa4444 said:
I admit this is beyond me. I find gps tagging w/o merging track logs is certainly convenient with my 6d. But any half-decent €50 tracker blows away Canon's implementation in battery life and precision, plus you can do find pre-set coordinates with them while the camera can only tell you where you are standing right in this moment.
If there would be any ream advantage to an in-camera gps, it's an electronic compass that remembers in which the camera was pointed and can calculate the field of view ... but the 6d (and 7d2?) don't do that either.
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adhocphotographer said:
I'm becoming increasingly perplexed by the inability of any camera manufacturer to implement wifi and touchscreen technology at a professional level.
Camera manufacturers are getting their butts handed to them by mobile devices that can take pictures and instantly move those pictures to the internet. Professional photographers everywhere, whether they are shooting a wedding or coverage breaking news, have to compete with amateurs using cell phones to get images posted to the web and they don't stand a chance.
Camera manufacturers simply have to make it easier and quicker for their professional customers to compete in this arena. We should all be able to take a picture, do some quick edits to the jpg using the back of the camera and an in-camera editing program and instantly post that picture to the web.
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Looking at that brick got me thinking... maybe they should just integrate Wifi into the next generation battery grips. The Wifi in the 6D and 70D does not add significant weight or bulk to those cameras so presumably it could easily fit in a battery grip. Then there is also a synergistic relationship between a battery grip's additional energy capacity and Wifi's lust for power.
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StudentOfLight said:
Most folks turn the camera's Wi-Fi on right before they use it and turn it off again afterwards, so aside from exceptional circumstances where you're controlling a long shoot over Wi-Fi, the battery life issue should be largely moot.
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adhocphotographer said:
The chances are near zero. Canon already said that on the 7D, the metal body did not allow for a good Wi-Fi signal. A 5D MK XX is going to have a metal body.
Cameras like the 6D or Nikon D750 with plastic panels or bodies can have Wi-Fi. Its a trade off. You can purchase a Wi-Fi adapter.
I have a eye-fi card that I use in my 5D MK III with no issues, I do not know what the range is, but it works fine within 50 ft of my hotspots. It also works far better than Canon's Wi-Fi implementation in my G1X MK II! I can pop it into any of my Canon cameras, including the G1X II, and use it without fooling around for hours to get setup. The setup is in the card, not the camera. I've bought a adapter to adapt the eye-fi card to a CF slot, so I plan to try it with my 5D Classic.
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eye-fi cards working well and with good reach within a canon 5d iii metal body demonstrate very well just how lame canons lame excuse is.
There is no technical issue whatsoever, to include perfectly implemented, easy to set up and use wifi in all and any canon eos camera from tiny eos m2 ;-) to behemoth 1d-x ... Full or partial metal body shell or not.
There is no technical issue whatsoever, to include perfectly implemented, easy to set up and use wifi in all and any canon eos camera from tiny eos m2 ;-) to behemoth 1d-x ... Full or partial metal body shell or not.
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