X4 Circular Polarizer breakthroughphotography: My experience: BAD!!!

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Graham,

First, I'll say that I appreciate your presence on the site to address some members' concerns. I also appreciate that you're a photographer endeavoring to create a superior product, and from a technical perspective, seem to be succeeding. I also appreciate both the challenges of sudden growth and the heartburn that impatient and unreasonably aggressive customers can produce. I also recognize that dealing with angry people starts to wear one down and anyone can have a bad day and sound a little put-off because of it.

That said, I hope you'll take my comments about "bedside manner" in a constructive way. You have no obligation to read them and it's no skin off my nose if you ignore them. 8)

You are a photographer...who chose to become a business man. Like it or not, that means elevating the cordiality and patience in any and all communication -- even with those that are behaving unreasonably. That elevation doesn't require assumption of blame or acquiescence to every angry demand, but it does mean removing emotion from the communication. It means taking the high road every time.

As an operations manager with management of customer care within the scope of my duties, I would be very concerned if a representative of my company, at any level, used sarcasm in a response to a customer on a public forum. Seeing it from a founding member of a company is unsettling.

You might consider the difference between the following responses:

A) "Don't appreciate you throwing us under the bus on our first few manufacturing runs. Thanks for that."

B) "There were certainly challenges in the first few manufacturing runs, and I can understand your concerns. Thanks for your patience and feedback! In the last year, we've implemented three levels of quality control and are confident that the products we're shipping will meet expectations in both quality and performance."

One carries an attitude of "don't let the door hit you on the way out of our store" while the other fosters confidence that your product is backed by people who stand by their customers as much as they stand by their product. With D's post, you had an opportunity to restore good will and even build loyalty (some of our most loyal customers are those who initially had a concern and were impressed by how it was resolved).

I understand that the majority of your customers are highly satisfied. However, there is a subtle but significant difference between overall satisfaction rate and customer service experience. People are easily satisfied when nothing goes wrong. That speaks more to the process than the service, though. Good customer service is defined by how the hiccups and concerns are handled -- even when dealing with the occasional rotten apple -- irrespective of the proportion those issues might represent in the overall satisfaction rate.

Okay...I've blathered on enough. I hope there is something helpful to you in this feedback. Good luck with your product and company.

Captain Preachy-Soapbox signing out... :P
 
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grahamclarkphoto said:
As for throwing us under the bus, I was referring to you jumping on this thread which is completely unrelated to your problem. Completely off-topic for a customer to say to one of our chat representatives "fudge you" for me to respond to that situation and then for you to jump in the middle with your isolated problem, in my opinion.

It appears to me that poster d had multiple problems, including the unresolved problems of not receiving a refund of postage as promised and having subsequent attempts to resolve the issue ignored by your company. Both of those are quite clearly failures in customer service, and reducing those issues to early manufacturing problems is deflecting the issue.

Posting about 'old' but still unresolved problems with poor customer service in a recent thread about poor customer service is quite germane, because it highlights the fact that the issues are long standing.

Having read posts from scottkinfw over the course of many years, he seems like a reasonable and level-headed individual. Such people don't generally initiate a conversation with foul language, so perhaps you should investigate the interaction which led to that, and the role of your CS rep in that escalation. What I've read in this thread suggests that problems with customer service at your company are not so isolated as you seem to believe. Your responses on this forum really aren't helping your case.
 
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Famateur said:
Graham,

First, I'll say that I appreciate your presence on the site to address some members' concerns. I also appreciate that you're a photographer endeavoring to create a superior product, and from a technical perspective, seem to be succeeding. I also appreciate both the challenges of sudden growth and the heartburn that impatient and unreasonably aggressive customers can produce. I also recognize that dealing with angry people starts to wear one down and anyone can have a bad day and sound a little put-off because of it.

That said, I hope you'll take my comments about "bedside manner" in a constructive way. You have no obligation to read them and it's no skin off my nose if you ignore them. 8)

You are a photographer...who chose to become a business man. Like it or not, that means elevating the cordiality and patience in any and all communication -- even with those that are behaving unreasonably. That elevation doesn't require assumption of blame or acquiescence to every angry demand, but it does mean removing emotion from the communication. It means taking the high road every time.

As an operations manager with management of customer care within the scope of my duties, I would be very concerned if a representative of my company, at any level, used sarcasm in a response to a customer on a public forum. Seeing it from a founding member of a company is unsettling.

You might consider the difference between the following responses:

A) "Don't appreciate you throwing us under the bus on our first few manufacturing runs. Thanks for that."

B) "There were certainly challenges in the first few manufacturing runs, and I can understand your concerns. Thanks for your patience and feedback! In the last year, we've implemented three levels of quality control and are confident that the products we're shipping will meet expectations in both quality and performance."

One carries an attitude of "don't let the door hit you on the way out of our store" while the other fosters confidence that your product is backed by people who stand by their customers as much as they stand by their product. With D's post, you had an opportunity to restore good will and even build loyalty (some of our most loyal customers are those who initially had a concern and were impressed by how it was resolved).

I understand that the majority of your customers are highly satisfied. However, there is a subtle but significant difference between overall satisfaction rate and customer service experience. People are easily satisfied when nothing goes wrong. That speaks more to the process than the service, though. Good customer service is defined by how the hiccups and concerns are handled -- even when dealing with the occasional rotten apple -- irrespective of the proportion those issues might represent in the overall satisfaction rate.

Okay...I've blathered on enough. I hope there is something helpful to you in this feedback. Good luck with your product and company.

Captain Preachy-Soapbox signing out... :P
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grahamclarkphoto said:
As for throwing us under the bus, I was referring to you jumping on this thread which is completely unrelated to your problem. Completely off-topic for a customer to say to one of our chat representatives "fudge you" for me to respond to that situation and then for you to jump in the middle with your isolated problem, in my opinion.

It appears to me that poster d had multiple problems, including the unresolved problems of not receiving a refund of postage as promised and having subsequent attempts to resolve the issue ignored by your company. Both of those are quite clearly failures in customer service, and reducing those issues to early manufacturing problems is deflecting the issue.

Posting about 'old' but still unresolved problems with poor customer service in a recent thread about poor customer service is quite germane, because it highlights the fact that the issues are long standing.

Having read posts from scottkinfw over the course of many years, he seems like a reasonable and level-headed individual. Such people don't generally initiate a conversation with foul language, so perhaps you should investigate the interaction which led to that, and the role of your CS rep in that escalation. What I've read in this thread suggests that problems with customer service at your company are not so isolated as you seem to believe. Your responses on this forum really aren't helping your case.

Thanks for your thoughtful response. I agree with you, and it's something I need to work on.

Graham
 
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I'm a big supporter of Graham and Breakthrough Photography. The process of making and selling products is never going to be a perfect experience for every person that participates, especially when you throw crowdfunding into the mix.

Breakthrough Photography is the ONLY Kickstarter campaign I have ever promoted, because I trusted Graham was going to be able to deliver (which is still not the majority of KS campaigns) and he has and will continue to do so. I get requests weekly from people wanting me to promote their campaign on Kickstarter.

However, be reasonable as a customer and you're more often than not going to get reasonable treatment in return.

I've decided to lock this up, but it will remain on the forum.
 
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