Slow
There’s nothing going on in Canon land at the moment. I’m digging up nothing.
70-200 2.8L IS II
I did received an email claiming the 24th of November WAS correct but an announcement has been delayed until January.
A couple of stores in Canada I spoke to that had long backorders on 70-200 f/2.8L IS say they finally got a couple of lenses. This also happened to them shortly before Nikon announced their replacement.
Bored? Howabout a 3D Rumor?
“According to my friend after canons “disappointment” with the 7D they will be releasing a full frame version in mid-late 2010.”
Yeah, I’m stretching here… but I hate not updating the site. Have some fun :)
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Disappointment with the 7D?! Ha! Yeah right…
How was Canon “disappointed” with the 7D?
Noooooooooooo!
I don’t know. Everyone at Canon I’ve spoken to love the camera.
Wouldn’t 7D Specs + Full Frame = 5D mk III?
no.
Full frame plus non ghosting and decent ISO + solid AF = 5D3 + happy Canon customer.
I’m thinking the “disappointment” is in the sales figures and not the camera itself.
In this down economy, it is bound to affect all sales. Pros are getting less work and prosumers are sitting pat with their current cameras, IMHO.
I was ready to move from my 40D, but the things I read indicate the 40D is a decent place to park right now. The 7D is stretching my budget and I might have bought a 50D, for the microfocus, but other complaints about it having me sit out for the 60D.
I was AMAZED at the focus improvement when I sent my 17-85mm back to Canon with the 40D. It is TACK sharp now. So I know the microfocus would be awesome, but I can live with this for now. (My 70-300mm could be sharper, but it is workable for now).
I think I’d rather invest in a100-400mm if they release a new version and trade the 70-300mm instead of a body upgrade.
If you are like me, you feel trapped on the side of a large gulf between the iso performance you want and the price you are willing to pay…. ;-)
I think Fake Chuck explains the disappointment here:
http://fakechuckwestfall.wordpress.com/2009/11/17/the-end-of-tech-tips-a-sign-of-the-times/
7D image quality is really bad. Even The Digital Picture’s recent review says the images are very soft.
The Rebel XSi offers better image quality and so does the 40D.
This has nothing to do with the economy. The product sucks. Just like the 50D.
Methinks 5DIII will drop below US$2K if a 3D FF with 7D’s specs comes out at US$3/3.5K.
Yeah right! They’re dissappointed that their potential customers can’t buy them fast enough.
hummm… I won’t say “really” bad and I’m sure Brian never said “very soft”. You must read that review again and try one for yourself. For sure it could be better (lees pixels perhaps) but I won’t agree that it’s a bad or “really” bad camera. I’ve played enough with it to back my point here.
I will admit I have had Nikon envy of late and have been anxiously waiting for Canon to bring out a body that makes a move from the 40D worth it.
In a down economy, you can grow by simply stealing market share from a competitor. So perhaps we are seeing Nikon and Sony just taking Canon share and the net for the whole industry is not that positive?
I own the 10-22mm, 17-85mm, 70-200mm and the 100mm macro with a 40D body. So I have to think long and hard if I want to make the move to Nikon. Without eBay, I’d really be stuck, but these efficient markets help keep the value of product. My general feeling is that value with Canon is better (except I agree that the cameras of late are not as inspiring) and being a prosumer, I have to keep an eye on value.
I guess 2010 will be my year to decide. If Canon doesn’t turn things around, I’ll seriously consider a move. If Nikon offered in body stabilization (and even worked with that of stabilized lenses to give super benefit) it would be a no-brainer. I’d be listing my equipment on eBay right now…. because I could consider non-VR lenses for some of my choices to get me back into the value circle.
If lenses were vendor independent on their mounts, there would be a lot more competition and companies would have to be nimble (i.e. less able to tolerate stupid management decisions). I know that is what some have tried…
Maybe the internet with services like eBay has made it much easier for customers to defect to other products and Canon management hasn’t taken this into consideration.
All I know is Nikonites envied Canonites 3-4 years ago, but not now…
Oops… 70-300 instead of 70-200. I haven’t purchased any L glass yet.
Maybe it is time to start removing that anti-aliasing grid.
The removal of it by Leica in the M9 gave its pictures a sharpness, at 18MP, that far exceeded any of the 20-something MP DSLRs.
Cramming 18MP onto a crop sensor would be considered a disappointment by many.
I don’t think the 7Ds image quality is “bad”, but it’s definitely just a minor step up (if at all) from the 50D.
I echo the above posters in the fact that I have a 40D and would like to upgrade. Full frame is the only option and I’ve phased out all my EF-S lenses in exchange for L glass. Once a full frame 7D type camera comes out I’ll probably jump on it, or pick up a 5D Mark ii when I can’t stand it any longer.
I don’t get the disappointment with the 7D comment either. Granted the camera doesn’t appeal to me but everything I’ve read about it seems to be pretty positive.
Disappointment that the 7D is not FF.
Hence the rumor that a FF version of the 7D is coming soon.
Yes, I think so too.
Yup. I’m one of these.
It wouldn’t be surprising at all if a FF version of the 7D comes as early as June next year.
Canon replaced the XSi (450D) just one year after introduction – at a time when it was the No.1 in DSLR sales.
So, the fact that the 5DII sells very well does not mean that it won’t be replaced early.
The 7D and 5DIII (it won’t be caller 3D, IMO) will most likely be manufactured on the same assembly lines.
So, there are manufacturing efficiencies to be realized by starting 5DIII production earlier rather than later.
I don’t think so. The 7d is meant to be more of a sports-ish camera (hi burst rate, weather sealing, cropping, etc). If you were to add full frame onto this, you would have to change some things with the sensor to be able to keep up with the 8fps capture rate for a larger sensor.
The 5d mkii is primarily a non-action camera (hence the autofocus issues). I think they should be separate niches to fill. I just hope the 5dmk3 or the 3d will have ff and better AF.
Not FF and more than 15 Mp = not interested
Not bad, but it’s not amazing either.
I just wish Canon would focus on image quality (noise free, higher dynamic range, better metering, accurate focus & color).
I agree that the 7D image quality is a step up from the 50D, but that’s not actually a compliment. Because the 50D image quality was the worst I’ve ever seen.
The 7D image quality is worse than the 40D and even the 450D, and that is the problem.
I hope you can also live with 30mp
Yes!!! 3D with 32MP.
I hope that the 3D will be a 7D with a 1DmkIV-like sensor, i.e. 16MP APS-H sensor. That would give me the best of all worlds. I mostly shoot birds. I will not buy a camera with lower pixel-density than my 40D (the big super-teles are out of my budget) and I don’t think that it is smart to pay for a FF sensor when I mostly will be cropping APS-C size or smaller crops from the pictures. I had a 7D briefly. I was disappointed with the IQ compared to my 40D. The lack of IQ from the 7D may have been caused by a poor AF calibration though.
40D IQ is laughable compared to the 7D, what are you talking about?
If there’s anything worse than people who buy cameras based on megapixels it’s…well…people who…oh, forget it.
No, please do finish your sentence.
The better question is what are YOU talking about?
A FF 3D is just what the doctor ordered. I’d love a faster FF with better AF to compliment my 5DII. Using one FF and one crop sensor really screws up focal lengths when you use the 24-70 and 70-200 one on each body.
Nothing about back-lit CMOS technology development by Canon?
Sony seams to have taken a great advance in small sensors with their back-lit technology.
Imagine a G11 with a 1/1,7″ back-lit CMOS (size of the G11 CCD sensor, bigger than sony 1/2,3″ backlit CMOS): high speed, high video capabilities, high continuous shooting rate, great panoramic feature, and at least same image quality (maybe better)…. exactly what the G11 miss
Canon announced formerly they are building a new CMOS factory to be able to equip their compacts cameras with their own sensors, but are we sure they will be able to build sensors as good as Sony if they don’t use back-lit CMOS technology?
No rumors about this factory and the future technologies Canon is developping for CMOS?
Give me the 1DIV’s sensor in a 7D body & I’ll snap it up in a minute!
I agree with the APS-H comment. I like that as a nice compromise and it allows you to bump to say 13-14 megapixel and still support stopping down the lens for landscapes. Also, what is the point in a FF 7D and a 5D? It seems like at that point are merging the two lines. The sensor cost is a big deal and I would guess that APS-H size would be the right balance to keep the 5D, 7D and 50D well differentiated.
My 40D can’t hold up well at 1600 ISO. Too much noise. So I try to keep it at 800 or less. For me, being able to shoot at 1600 with noise like I get on my 40D at 400 would be a real treat. That way I could bump to 3200 and ‘cope’ with the noise in post processing.
Also, increased dynamic range would be a real benefit. It sounds like the P&S folks are coming up with novel ways to deal with their camera’s notoriously poor DR. Sony’s idea of taking several very rapid shots (even handheld) at different exposures and combining them for high DR sounds promising.
Sony’s entry into the marketplace has at least stirred the pot of cool alternative ideas…
I replaced my XSI with the 7d…they aren’t even close in IQ, the 7D is WAY better!!! I use mostly primes and L glass and the colors and detail are much better. Also after updating my firmware to 1.1.0 I’m not getting any ghosting issues. I am primarly a “birder” and action shooter so full frame for me at 3 frames a second and the ff sensor don’t make sense. Just my thoughts about this great camera.
the 7d is the king of what it is designed to be. Releasing such a camera is a Landmark not only for canon but for general photgraphy industry. it reminds me with the release of the original 5d.
3d ? this is a drunk man’s wish. for the most part, an 18mp 8fps Full frame sensor in a small body and a cheap price would kill the 5d mark II, 1D mark IV, and 1Ds mark III. such a specs will be sold above the price of the 1d mark IV and there is no space over there.
I hope that you didn’t dismiss the 7D completely? Give it a try once more. This time prepare yourself for precise calibration for chosen lenses. It’s not an easy process and there are several methods depending on kind of lens. My advice is use a macro lens like Tamron 90mm or Sigma 50mm. Use macro rail because the DOF involved might be as narrow as 0.5 mm. Your goal is to check resolution of the sensor and calibrate camera at least for one macro lens. Forget about the birds for a while. Set the camera on sturdy tripod on maximum stable ground/floor. Set the rail on the scratch. Mount the 7D camera on the rail squarely against a A4 sheet of graph paper in distance corresponding to 1.1-1.2 reproduction coefficient. Draw diagonals to define center. Check corners to be sharp and lines parallel to viewfinder. It’s time consuming process. The lighting must be stable all the time. Check histogram for correct metering — it’s important. Don’t use anything Auto to prevent messing by the camera. WB set according to light source. Sharpening in camera: low or standard, depending on your needs. Check if AF is on. Set mode dial on Av and diaphragm at f/2,8 and make 3 consecutive shots. Write the time of exposition, switch mode dial to M and copy the time. Switch lens to MF. Now you are fully manual. Make series of shots moving camera 0,5 mm each time using release cable. Observe the file size. The shot with maximum file size corresponds to maximum sharpness when shooting JPG. Check difference between best AF and best MF. You need now to calibrate AF so the results were very near.
Next repeat above procedure with your 40D and make decision. If you can’t do it don’t complain about the 7D.
Have you actually used a 7D and looked at the results? I have, and have been tempted to crossgrade from my 5D2.
Thanks for taking the time for the long description of how to MA. It is almost overwhelming.
However, the AF error on the 7D I had my hands on seemed to be beyond micro adjust. It was front-focusing slightly at about 10ft and badly (totally blurred) at 200ft with my 400mm that hasn’t been calibrated but focuses reasonably accurately (far better) with my 40D that I have had calibrated at a Canon repair center. Live View AF showed me that the 7D sensor isn’t bad, and I may try my luck again sometime cause I liked everything else about the camera except IQ when using normal AF. Still, if I could chose between the 7D and a 3D with a lower high ISO noise APS-H sensor, I would go for the 3D as I live so far up north that light is in short demand for about one third of the year. I would love a camera with ISO 3200 noise at the same level as ISO 400 noise on my 40D.
LOLZ
I think you are right about a FF 3D. However, an APS-H 3D would make a lot of sense in the lineup. And the 1D mkIV AF system really only works at its best with f/2.8 and a very few selected f/4 lenses. For most of Canons lenses, the AF sensors are line sensors and not cross sensors. I think I would prefer the 19 cross sensors of the 7D (3D) over the many lines ensors of the mkIV. So, yes, a 3D could have a place in the lineup.
“Landmark for general photography industry”….lol
You never heard about D300?
For me the 7D has been the best camera I have owned and used to date. I have owned the 20D,40D & 50D and there is no question the pictures are truly amazing on it, and I would never go back to the 50D. Some people might have had a bad copy, but I also beleive that majority of the issues are user error. The 7D is a diffrent camera and takes about a month to figure it out. Watching the B&H Video on the 7D really helped me alot. A semi-pro photographer friend of mine shot with the 40D and bought a 7D also,, has never used the 40D again.. going to buy a second 7D because it is that good. The features IQ is excellent. Forget about this stupid reviews of images being soft. My 40D was soft and focus was terrible. If you set the right picture settings on the 7D, even the .jpg files are great out of it. If you shoot raw, and process the image,, you get excellent results.
I think Canon is still old fashion and all they want is to win the megapixel war. Stupid canon all u have to do is to put 12mp in 7d and everything should go well. Stupid!!!
“…an 18mp 8fps Full frame sensor in a small body and a cheap price would kill the 5d mark II, 1D mark IV, and 1Ds mark III…
Well, the question is whether Canon wants to produce and sell such a killer camera, or continue sticking it’s head in it’s …. err, in the sand…. and let Nikon or Sony produce and sell such a killer camera without a Canon competitor.
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Go apply for a job. Being smarter than all current Canon employees combined, you will make it straight to the CEO’s chair. And one month later all Canon products will be perfect. It’s that simple.