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Mirrorless 5D Mark II
Someone has done this to a 7D already and called it the PL7D, but here's a mirrorless 5D Mark II. The camera can still take still photos but is really geared towards video.
See the complete tear down here.
thanks mochapaulo
85 f/1.1L?
NL read on a Linkedin discussion that Canon was readying an upgraded 85 f/1.1L. Take it for what it's worth. :)
Big White Lenses
We've heard before some big white lenses will be tested at the World Cup in South Africa. There's another suggestion that we won't see any new models for consumption until 2011.
I've also heard Photokina in September still may be the place to showoff at least 1 new big white lens. The 600 DO perhaps?
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what does it add to remove the mirror ?
I was wondering the same thing… I get if it is geared for video, but that pretty much cripples half of what makes that camera amazing.
You’d loose the viewfinder and autofocus right off the bat.
This made me hate hate the whole DSLR video thing. People have gone too far…
After all, everybody is free to do anything he wants to his camera.
85 1.1L
I do not believe
agreed. that’s perverting. That IS a photo camera!
But I can understand these guys if it is a good possibility to have cheaper Video Camera with a sensor that big. But it still looks sick to me :)
It allows you to mount PL lenses (Pro Film lenses used in major film productions).
If the mirror is left in place you cannot mount (for instance) Panavision lenses as they go too far into the camera and hit the mirror.
Chill out, this is not childhood lukemia, someone has modified their own camera to do something they would like it to do.
FInd better things to hate.
PL mount cinema lenses will hit/damage the mirror if you leave the camera unmodified.
If anything they need to work on the AF speed.
Indeed, the auto-focus on the 50 mm f/1.2 and 85 f/1.2 lenses is totally useless at full-aperture. Canon should raise its quality standart.
These things are being rented out by camera houses with sets of PL lenses to match. Pairing these cameras with a set of anamorphic lenses sounds like a very fun way to spend an afternoon.
I wonder if someone shoe horned the guts of a 5DII into the body of a video cam like the XH-A1.
If Canon doesn’t upgrade the 100-400mm by Sep and there aren’t a lot of bad reviews I’ll be getting the Sigma 50-500mm OS. I’m tired of waiting for Canon to upgrade the ancient IS & AF. What other company can get away with charging todays prices for something that is completely outdated?
You are welcome to find f/1.2 primes that auto-focus faster ;)
I gave up on canon bringing out new lenses, the 24-70 2.8IS was so many times announced bla bla bla .. and yet nothing has appeared.
like Whitbomb07 said we pay a lot of money for lenses that should be update by now, 85 1.2 turtle slow AF, 135 might be nice to have weather sealing, and yes the 24-70 some IS.
Big lenses well they can say their coming as much as they want, with canon my theory has become … see to believe!
Canon announced new DO lenses in 2001, but they never appeared.
From ” luminous-landscape.com”
December 21, 2001
A few days ago Canon Germany posted a PDF file of their “Profile” newsletter. One of the sections featured the 400mm f/4 DO IS lens. But, at the bottom of the article was a mention that there were two more DO IS lenses coming — a 500mm f/2.8 DO IS and a 200-400mm f/4 DO IS zoom.
This announcement quickly caused a flurry of excitement on online forums, but within less than a day the article had been revised to remove any mention of these two lenses. Clearly a mistake had been made. It either was an ad agency copywriter inventing some new products, or much more likely an inadvertent slip.
It is frustrating to wait for new lenses. My take is that since Canon just released a very expensive update to the 70-200 2.8 IS that they want to spread apart the releases for profitability and maybe for manufacturing reasons too.
What makes the waiting bareable these days is the quality coming from Canon R&D. The latest releases like the 100 IS L, 70-200 2.8 IS II L, 24 3.5 TSE II, 17 4.0 TSE, 15-85 3.5-5.6 IS speak volumes for the quality we can hope to expect in future releases.
I think if and when a 24-70 successor arrives it will be a barn burner.
But yes lots to painfully look forward to swirling around in the rumor morass.
Bah. The 85 f/1.2 II is only a couple years old. Absurd.
600 f/4 DO….yes, please.
The Super-Teles are all more than 10 years old, with version 2 of IS only, and outdated optical coatings. I thought they’d be here by now, but it seems VERY likely to me they are next up. These are Sports and Nature mainstays, and their ready availability and price are hammerblows to Nikon…I know a few Pro’s who switched to Nikon and waited over a year to get a 500 or 600 VR – in fact, the 600 is still out of stock at B&H right now…and, it is about the cost of Canon’s 800 f/5.6, several thousand more than Canon’s 600 f/4 IS.
Canon superteles came out in 1999, I’d bet the bank on an announcement ~soon…
I’d like to see some new DO lenses, even though I would never buy one – too much money.
Canon hasn’t done a lens faster than 1.2 in a long while, ever since the 50 F/1.0L, which I remember reading had terrible issues with being too soft even when stopped down. I’m sure lens technology has improved since then, so maybe it’s time for another go?
As for that 5D Mark II mod, my hats off to the person who did it. I’m sure you could make that your day job with the interest from the film industry in the 5D Mark II.
you are absolutely right. I’ll do that too
was that mod performed by Hot Rod? They put a PL mount on a 7D previously
We’ve been modifying cameras for years for astrophotography, infrared, etc., and there are already bunches of firmware hacks on practically every camera around to do specialized things. Didn’t start with taking a mirror out. The video quality is so awesome – if I didn’t already have one, i might buy it just for the video.
Come to think of it, I have modified workshop tools to help with certain tasks.
…because Canon’s lenses are so terrible
No, that’s not the reason, nor has anyone claimed that is the reason.
The 24-70 2.8IS has been announced before?
Never announced. Only rumored for a few years and suspected for a few more.
don’t be so narrowminded.
Someone was curious to do it so he did.
If we do everything by the books world would be a boring place…
Let me simply explain the whole ideas of the crazy guy (In fact, quite making sense) that make such a mod.
The guy modified 5D mark II for 2 purposes, one is for using PL mount movie lens which is the working field he is. The other reason is to try harder for the possibility of using Leica M lenses if the lenses can go further.
The initial state is 5D mark II can still usable when mirrorless. He did it first from a 550D and find it can take photo and movie by live view. So now he try the bigger version to satisfy two dreams for himself. In fact, this is quite economic solution that 5D Mark II is far cheaper then RED Scarlet using PL mount movie lens; the other is Leica M9 is unreasonably high priced (Almost $9K USD in Hong Kong because of over demanding) that it seems worthwhile a try that Leica M need nothing about AF or IS.
By the way, if you google PL7D, you may find a Germany Company just modified 7D purely for movie shooting and have product for sales.
I have to say his action is quite inspiring. It gives a great hints that Canon is able to (or must be to ) produce EVIL. Market is already there and no one would say no to a compact camera which can use Leica M! But of course, the main concern of Canon is such change should impact the product line of lens design that new flange distance and mount size mean new investment and research. The domination of M4/3 over 4/3 may repeat if Canon make such a move. Just see how can she make a balance between the old and new popular products.
Really prefer a 300 f4L IS mkII with the latest IS ASAP already. But a 100-400 L mkII would be great also — just lose the push-pull design!
Tens of thousands fantastic FD lenses waiting for a home on a very evil full frame Canon. 2 long years ?
My guess is that they were in the R&D pipeline but never made it past the prototype phase.
Canon may have postponed the release due to lack of sales & feedback.
Actually it’s only PL mount that you have to remove the mirror for.
Panavision mount has a shallower depth so you can fit a simple mechanical adaptor on to the Canon mount and the lenses clear the mirror.
Panavision has been doing this for at least 15 years when they used to rent the Panavision Kodak PREView system, which used Canon mount Kodak DCT 520 cameras.
Oops, I meant longer depth, not shallower depth.
pull push isnt that bad… and its nt a vacume as people say.
“What other company can get away with charging todays prices for something that is completely outdated?”
Nikon would be the first that comes to mind :)
Good post, 100% agree.
No need to tear up your canon DSLR in order to use cinema quality lenses.
The new Ziess cinema canon mount lenses will soon be here, they are based on the ZE lenses, but are made in Germany from the best handpicked glass.
i wouldn’t mind having one ot two of them for still images either.
http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2010/02/19/the-big-players-are-coming-to-join-the-hddslr-party-part-i/
Kirk, what would Angie say if she knew you were dissing Canon Lenses like that?
That would indeed be interesting. It also fits with the patents that Canon filed recently, and that were reported here.
If indeed they put the DO elements further back in the optics, maybe the contrast and odd bokeh problems get resolved.
get the sigma 120-400mm or the 150-500mm
they are great lenses with fast HSM and great optical quality.
I wonder if Canon will be Testing Gear at the Commonwealth Games in October this year in India?
It’ll be 3 massive sporting events this year. Olympics, World Cup and then Commonwealth Games.
I saw the teardown photos. I’m gonna go out on a limb and say he’s probably voided his warranty.
I wish someone would tear the LCD out of the 5DmkII and remount it in an external wired case. Then it could be pivoted, or attached in various positions to aid in hand-held and low or high-mode shooting.
Wouldn’t that be nice?
I have the 85mm f1.2 II and it’s just fine.
Perhaps you own the MKI lens? AF was quickened with the MkII.
Don’t forget, this lens has an extremely shallow depth of focus hence the focus has to be so much more precise than others. All considered, it’s not actually slow.
Does your lens give better AF at less than full aperture? …
It is a good idea and a good effort, but I think it was a waste of time.
I’ve repeatedly modified my 1000D. One of the mods I did was to simply latch the mirror up (I won’t go into why). There’s no need to rip all the innards apart, instead leave the mechanism in and simply unhook the mirror arm and use a separate spring (or whatever) to hold it up.
Doing this has several advantages:
1) no risk of light leakage from viewfinder port
2) easily reversible (without the need for recalibration)
3) far less work
It must have been fun to do anyway :c)
Aha, I am also going to doe the same thing in fact. From the experience of the DIYer who has also mod his 550D to be mirrorless, the most important thing is to remove the barrier for the shorter flange distance lens especially the one for movie. Also, it is a must if Leica M lens is used on the EOS body. Just kept mirror in the same position is easy but it won’t let you use more lenses. Using 1000D costs the least in 2nd market, I will try it out. :)
YEARS.
goddammit canon, do it!
Modding the 1000D to hold the mirror is easy; it can’t be all that different for other cameras in that range (no I won’t try it on my 5DII lol). Only the front and rear covers need be removed (in fact the rear cover only need be dislodged to get the front cover off). Just under the lens release button is the mirror swing arm. Just unhook it (using good tweezers with a serrated grip), remove that loose spring for safekeeping and find a way to hold up the mirror lever (or the mirror itself). I did that by use of another spring I had laying around, but I also had to remove the swing-arm from the shutter unit to make room for it (easily done).
Be sure you have a system so that you know exactly what screws go where. These DLSRs use many different types of screws.
She would recognize the sarcasm :)
you can get professional built 7Ds with PL-mount at fgv-schmiedle in Germany (at least for rent AFAIK)
http://www.fgv-rental.de/fgv09/download/technik/fgv-pl7d-faq-e.pdf
the people on that website was wondering where that magnesium alloy structure and the anti-water-seeping-thingys were, as shown (and promised) in the link below
http://www.dchome.net/viewthread.php?tid=854905&page=2#pid9999961
No… you serious?
I rented the 85 f/1.2 II, and it autofocused a bit slowly (I own the 135 f/2, and nothing has come close to its focus speed). AI Servo on this 85mm simply made it slowly cycle and hunt. Good thing I intended to use it manually anyway. I used liveview for focus. My crop sensor camera would show things in focus through the viewfinder, but at the sensor via liveview, they weren’t in focus. However, when I did use autofocus via “one shot” mode, it did so accurately, without any microfocus adjustment.
So basically, to manually focus it on my camera, I HAD to use liveview…which was a shame, because I loved the bright vivid image through the viewfinder.
I tried the lens on my cousin’s 5D Mk2, manually focusing on a mosquito window screen via viewfinder, then checked with liveview, and it was dead on. So I guess EF lenses like this one weren’t meant to focus accurately via the viewfinder…Has anyone else ever noticed this?
I’m sure the blowhards in residence will be quick to say my camera is junk or defective…well those of you know what you can do, lol…