5D Mark II Firmware Info Update

sweet, manual audio for the 5D.
I promised canon id buy a few more 5D if they gave me this, and i still plan on keeping that promise!

At this point I’m just happy for the 30fps!

5D TEAM?? where is the 60 fps you promised huh, you keep claiming you KNOW it will be part of the firmware

ps this really is much more than 30 fps with some of the magic lantern software upgrades. I guess the hardware cant do 60 fps?

Does anyone know if the new firmware will have 29.97. As a framerate?

I can has manual audio, 48KHz and histogram for 7D?

is a fake?

The “1” is the frame rates.

“Magic Lantern”?

“I wonder why they bothered to write the header in Polish when the rest of the slide is in English…”

Who knows… and with errors as well.

LOL You’re an “Indie” but you’ve never heard of Magic Lantern firmware for the 5DII…

Since when does ‘youtube’ = independent film maker. :P :P

29.97 is what is REALLY needed for NTSC TV stuff. Using 30fps will put your sound out a bit if you don’t use drop frames while editing.

Basically it’s better to just record at 29.97 instead of 30fps.

Now let’s have a so-called 7D TEAM and 1D Mark IV TEAM to make Canon (and us) crazy about firmware updates!

:P

We keep our word. We don’t make things up at all my dear.

But, as we said, we can’t decide what to keep and what to remove. The fact is that it was there and it should be. It IS in some firmware versions (there is not only one version)

We’ll see soon.

The image is a bit weird.

Title in other language, the rest in english.

The features list begins in “2” (what is the 1st?)

Note that we got 100% confirmation that it has “standard” frame rates (not mentioned in that image)

The Audio fixes are great, and almost inevitable.

We also got reports with other improvements missing in that image.

@5D Mark II TEAM ….dude how sure r u that the 720p will be included in the new firmware? You really seem sure, can you give us a a clue of how good your source is? Is your source playing with beta firmware right now? No one will know any names. What other features do you know of that will be included?

@5D Mark II TEAM ….dude how sure r u that the 720p will be included in the new firmware? You really seem sure, can you give us a a clue of how good your source is? Is your source playing with beta firmware right now? No one will know any names. What other features do you know of that will be included?

Very good oneS (plural).

If Canon doesn’t release the firmware with 720p, then they are removing it. They might have been doing changes lately (weird but not impossible).

canon says 30 but its 29.97 in the 7D

The picture shown is a camera with EF-S lens. And the camera is likely to be a 7D or 5XXD.

enoughhhhhhh

gimme more photography featuresssss!!!!!!

“Wait a year for the better product.”

Yes, do that each and every single year. Sort of like, “Free beer tomorrow.” come back the next day, and ask where the free beer is. “It’s tomorrow.”

John, the 7D is half the price because it’s half the camera. The 5D2 is full frame, worth the extra money right there. I can’t STAND crop sensor cameras… besides being noise factories, my 16-35mm isn’t really 16mm on the wide end on a 7D. It’s full frame or nothing. I’m almost getting tired of hearing about this 7D, enough already. And if 60fps is only 720p, who cares if that’s missing on the 5D2? All it’s good for is slo-mo? No loss there!

Ok! Rant over! ;-). Gimme that 24p!!

The 5DMk2 is already 29.97. I know this because my when editing video at 30fps the quality is degrades and out of sync but works fine at 29.97.

5D MKII will be known as a groundbreaking video camera, not for its still features…

The day for 24p native editing is coming…

Wow so your the only person on the planet, 5D mark II Team, that even believes 60 fps 720p will be on the firmware update, you state it as a fact and and you give us no reason why. you sound like a trouble maker to me. (If its not there its because they took it out) well anyone could say that genius.

I know for a fact that the 5D mkII firmware update will have time travel, if its not in the release they for some took it out! oh everyone look at me!

Legendary for at least a year

Indeed, 720@50 or @60 is not only for slomo ! it’s for people like me who want to have their productions broadcasted … by no means I can sell to a tv channel something in P, unless shots does not move (no pan, no moves …). So with 720@50 it’s easy to go to 50i or 60i … I don’t understand what people do with their 5D, except web or feature films … so for the moment :
5D = feature films
7D = tv

Canon was working on uncompressed or less compressed output since mid 2009.

Not sure if they will include that feature on this firmware though.

is the 5d II a video camera oder a photo camera. why not including photo functions like a reasonable 5/7/9 image bkt for example – even my girlfriends p&s & 4/3rd cameras, that cost a fraction of the 5d II are able to support that.

poor canon

How bad is it if you extrapolate 30fps to 60fps? Would it still be too slow for broadcast?

Yeah, or play soccer instead, but that’s not the point.

it’s almost impossible to film at wide apertures without any aid.

You need an external monitor or a LCD Finder to help you focus.

You can also use some aids like focus marks for specific subjects -previously focused and marked- in the scene (when that shot allows that kind of aid)

@Paulie Full Frame rules, doesn’t it? :)

me too, me too

Wow. This looks genuine doesn’t it.

And now we wait for 7d owners to scream for the same updates (not fps of course). Will they get it? And when?

dude, nobody looks up to the whining little brat mentality that if we complain enough we’ll eventually get it (even if it works). if i was canon i would hold off releasing firmware for longer than normal if people were complaining about it so much. it’s pathetic how entitled people feel these days. .

Over on DPR, Samsung’s development team VP states that, “we will be issuing firmware not as trouble-shooting but as relationship management”. That is an attitude that Canon seems to be adopting of late.

Canon did not have a track record of adding features in firmware updates, so I agree that customers who bought EOS DSLRs should not have felt cheated when–surprise, surprise– no new features were added. However, that does not mean that customers should not shout loudly that they want things to change. Customers have been shouting and Canon have started listening. Canon now have a lot of customers who think that they are dealing with a company that will listen to their concerns and improve their products even after purchase.

Far from hurting sales of the next model, this approach seems, in the case of the 5DII, to have extended the life of the current model and kept its selling price very high. It may not have 24p today, but that is not going to stop anyone from buying it, because it is going to have it tomorrow. While the upgrade churn may be lower, customer continue to pay premium prices for a model that has long since paid off its development costs. Happy customers will then buy the next model, even if it is only a marginal improvement, in the expectation–now justified–that the new model will continue to improve over time.

From my own experience, I bought an Edirol R-09HR field recorder a few years back and in a recent firmware update Edirol added some very nice new features (instrument tuners, metronome, etc.) that make it more useful than ever. I felt like they had just sent me an unexpected birthday present. If I need any more audio products in the future, I will start with Edirol, as I know they are good to their customers.

What do you want auto iso for?

Would you also be pissed off if you had purchased 4 x 7Ds and now they launch the 550D?

Welcome to the world of technology.

I think any really pro video solutions might come in the form of an add-on.

@mr canon: “for me, its like paying extra for something worthless”

Don’t worry, you pay no extra money, the hardware is the same, it’s all a matter of software. Actually, given a sufficient computing power, even older DSLR could have had video features. Digital P&S are having it since nearly their first appearance, crap quality, but they had it.

I don’t have time.

LOL reading comprehension fail

Canons high end prosumer video cameras have always been expensive. It will be interesting to see of they do come out with an affordable video camera that has a full size ship. If they don’t do it they will lose the video market to the 5D and the Red Scarlet or Red epic cameras that are supposed to launch this summer.

da, stiu

insa daca mai am de asteptat inca un an sau mai putin pt 5d mk iii cu af mai bun, atunci mai astept si folosesc 50D-ul intre timp

I’ve read exactly the opposite in other places — the claim was that the 5D2 does true 30fps, but the 7D does 29.97

At first look you are right but some code is embedded in ROMs and hardware controllers. You cannot customize these interface elements easily. Also mechanical end electronic properties are not so flexible, so there are limitations you can’t overcome. The idea of open code is as good as idea of co**unism — is good only on paper. Example: lin*x and shi**y web browsers.

Of course it is the point. If you doin’t want to pay for video features on the camera then buy one that don’t have video features.

Thank goodness a few of the comments get just how important this life cycle change in Canon product support is. The big picture (for still and video shooters) is Canon now seems to understand they are in the software business, and that they have an opportunity to reward customer loyalty with incremental improvements supported by the original hardware.

I’ve got to believe this is a positive for Canon’s own developers who now can get a public pat on the back every six months when they release a firmware update that makes customers happy.

Thanks to the folks who signed petitions and voiced their rational opinions in forums across the web. It has made a difference. Canon deserves praise when they do the right thing, and some healthy criticism when obvious functionality seems to be missing.

Canon, keep the firmware updates coming for all the cameras… and you’ll keep me a loyal customer

I only use the 5Dmk2 for video. Just purchased another 5Dmk2 (used one).
AF? dont you mean FA (first assistant)?
If your focus isnt fast enough, fire your FA and hire another that knows how to pull focus.

Didnt even know there was a photography mode to the thing. You can take still images with this camcorder?! =)

I’m so happy for the 24FPS. No more painstaking conversions.

Thanks, Canon! Now release it.

Nikon & Sony are both incorporating video in their future top tier releases.

There’s a group of old farts that inhabit the photography sphere, that can’t comprehend that the world is changing.

They’re the dinosaurs of the era when cameras were primarily mechanical beings, and do not realize that cameras these days have more in common with ipods than their previous mechanical incarnations.

They rant and they moan when users of today, expect that Canon will fix or improve things that are merely the changing of a few lines of code or the adding of some, without physically altering the product.

What these old farts don’t understand is that Canon is now in competition with the likes of Sony, a company that released the PS3 and continually provides free updates to it’s products, giving it’s users more incentive to stay with the company, and no doubt will do the same with it’s camera division.

Canon can continue down the path of here’s a camera with bugs and easy fixes, we don’t care if you have problems or suggestions, just give us more money for a new model, and see how that works out for them once their current demographic of old farts dies out, but thankfully, if at least partially for now, they’re not listening to this old, out-dated confused demographic.

Whatever, but I am certain that there IS a link between MagicLantern and the features they added. I also think they want to remove interest from MagicLantern. Why did people use it? Audio and some features concerning exposure control. Well, these would be features added to the new firmware, at least to some extent. And then there is timecode. Well, timecode will be dealt with with the FCP plugin that will come out at the same time as the new firmware.

However, there is one really cool feature of ML that is missing in the list and that is programmable focus control. I hope they did not make it too difficult for Tramm to hack this update. We should support Tramm, since his progress forces Canon into the concessions it recently made.

I agree. I had it on my HVX200, and it was a nice feature but if you are shooting 1080p and mixing it is noticable having 720p thrown in the mix. Now it would have been nice if they threw in alternate frame rates like 2, 12, etc and interval recording (built in) though like my old HVX had. That was a nice feature for differing effects with the video.

Maybe that is asking too much though,

This guy was pretty pissed off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdF-jHkO4AE

just don’t forget that “the brain” of a scarlet is not the same as a body of a dslr. with a brain you only have a very expensive paperweight which can do absolutely nothing. you need to buy a solution for monitoring, a batterypack and a solution for controling (redmote) if you want the same as a body does (aka, everything but the lens) so you can double that 2500 for a workable setup

Good post, Bob. I would add one additional thought. If we assume that Canon would rather have you purchase a 5D2 than a 7D (or other brand), they really had no choice but to upgrade the 5D2 (or release a 5D3). No informed consumer interested in DSLR video would choose a 5D2 with its original feature set over a 7D. Either Canon upgrades the 5D2 or watches 5D2 sales get cannibalized by lower margin units.

true it may come out to 5000$ for a decent red scarlet setup but what’s the difference between that and what most people spent on a 5d? I spent 3000$ on the body alone and 2000 on the lens. If the scarlet delivers everything they said it’ll do then your looking at the next revolutionary camera. Keep in mind the 5d is not good at run and gun situations, The Scarlet will deliver amazing resolution for photo/video and you’ll be able to hand hold it unlike the 5d. Don’t get me wrong I love my 5d but i’m fully aware of it’s limitations as a real video camera and i’m sure Canon realizes this too.

in the same range of price and picture quality, don’t forget the Ikonoskop, it’s a real camera with a full frame sensor, made by cinematographer, not a vaporware like the scarlett … they are suppose to start delivering the camera this summer … and with the PL mount you can adapt Canon lenses, and get raw pictures, not a compressed mp4 …

Exactly! I’m astonished that people can complain about features not being present in a camera, yet are completely fine with waiting to see if it will be in the next.

It’s great to see that consumers could press Canon on this one. Congratulations!

i’m not picking sides between red or canon here. proud owner of a 7D and frequently working with red one footage :)

I just think that when you’re throwing numbers you have to give the full picture. Scarlet is more expensive then the label says and you can get canon videotechnology in the 550D as well (going by the firmware currently available) … where this leaves the 5D is for time to decide, i’m sure we havn’t seen the last of this evolution :)

Don’t think 60p is easy just because it’s on the 7D and T2i. Remember the 5D2 sensor is 2.5x larger than the 7D/T2i and it’s much more intensive to poll/refresh the sensor quick enough to get 60 usable frames compared to 30 with larger sensors than it is with small ones, even moreso considering the methods that Canon seems to be using to get a usable video signal on the 5D (pixel-binning, rather than sampling a smaller central area of the sensor) . RED has talked a lot about this in fact.

I just don’t think the relatively old hardware in the 5D is capable of getting 60fps off that large sensor.

I’m wondering this too. Please have pulldown…PLEASE!

I understand what you say but it works for many without so much issues. It will also depend on the shutter speed you use. At 30p and 1/30 you won’t have strobe movement at all (too smooth in fact)

What conversion soft do you use?

LOL grammar fail (sic). :P

Don’t we all. LOL

But in Australia it already IS tomorrow! Free beer in Australia! Yay!

Right, auto ISO is for noobs.

Who’s “we” you and 5DmarkII team?

:P

I am in no way an old geezer (under 30) however I have my awards and degrees and have been shooting professionally for the last many years living soley on the sales of my photographs and fully believe in you get what you pay for and EVERYONE bought into the 5d2 fully knowing what they were getting. As far as I’m concerned, yes, it was a revolutionary camera at the time and is a great camera to this day. Is it as good of a feature set as the newer offerings, no. Should canon be responsible to add the feature set of the 7d or the rebel? Heck no. If they do, awesome, it’ll be a nice present to us. Also, I understand that the 5d or even the 7d may fall short in some peoples opinions compared the the red franchise or other ‘pro’ video cameras but since it’s even in the conversation to be considered near the same catagories should speak volumes on canon’s first try with video in dslr’s

In fact the canon dslrs seems to be born for ntsc rather than pal … as the available shutter speeds are 30 or 60, they should be 25 or 50 for pal …. but that’s not a real issue … I think you misunderstand spatial and temporal resolution. Having a smoother picture with a kind of frame blending using a low shutter speed does not compensate the too low number of frame you take per second in P …
I really doubt that someone sells to tv broadcasters something shot in P … The only way for big budgeted productions is to use an expensive “magic box” dedicated to generate missing frames (the same used as a ntsc pal converter) that some post-producers owns.
It might be interesting to start a thread somewhere about the P issue for TV, as everybody claims that’s a tool for indee tv productions but it’s not so simple (once again …)

What exactly is the use of 30? 29.97 for NTSC and utube

does not care. Why would they bother with a such a

restricive frame rate?

Just noticed that image on that slide is of the 550D http://a.img-dpreview.com/previews/CanonEOS550D/images/EOS-550D_BEAUTY_3.jpg

Soon Nikon D800 is here,and than Canon need more than a firmware update to 5D Mark II.

If it’s not here in early mars,i dont think it ever will come.

Canon seems to be more and more after again.

Everything depend on how big stepp Nikon this time choose to take.

Old D700 are in many ways a better camera than 5D MkII ,but lack Video .

Digital cameras get cheaper and cheaper,with more and more stuff in them,is it possible that Canon wait for this D700 replacement ?

If so,i will leave Canon for any costs.

For me Canon make errors after errors.

Also look at lenses,not much happens on Canon,why never a EF400/5,6 IS.

EF70-200/2,8 IS was old but you also must make something new.

Soon also that advantage will be a memory.

Really hoping this firmware information is not a fake posted out of frustration. Everyone is so happy about the audio part. If Canon does not implement that change it will be devastating for their sales. Even if Canon had nothing to do with this information and it’s a fake, the outrage will be overwhelming. The Polish “slide” doesn’t look right. Canon would never allow misspellings and bad grammar. Perhaps it’s a local presentation, but with security so tight at Canon, I doubt this would pass. I will wait and hope for the audio change, but not count on it as real. Perhaps I shall contact Canon and let them know they may not do well to ignore this groundswell that is either going to be very good or very bad for Canon when the firmware does surface.

Improved video features are fine,

but they need to acknowledge and fix the serious

pattern noise bug at low ISOs (100 and 200).

Canon acknowledged and fixed a similar noise bug

in sRAW1, but as of two weeks ago Canon-USA repair

center do not acknowledge there is a problem.

If you aren’t familiar with the bug here’s Daniel

Browning’s high quality analysis —

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=750731&highlight=noise+pattern

or just do a search on “5d mk ii pattern noise”

I found a workaround – shooting ISO-L (50) avoids it,

but that’s a fairly severe handicap.

Contact Canon???

Talk to your self,than you get an answer.

I somtimes wonder if them ever read any forums.

It must be the easiest way to find out what way to go,and if you compare Nikon with Canon the last 3 year’s,than i cant understand why my 5D Mark II only have this old AF, 3,9fps,bad sealing(compare with Nikon D700)and wrong design on the card door.

Yes,21Mp and perhaps HD filming was the only thing that make me choose Canon.

And of course all Canon gears that i already have.

But i order it in october 08 and still when i get the massage from the seller(Mid jan 09) that it was ready for delivery,i still was not sure if i would choose Nikon D700 or keep my Canon gears.

Now i’m happy that i choose my Canon 5D Mk II for good picatures and the HD film,and i will not buy a new Mk III only to get this Firmware.

For me it’s a mystery if it will come with only 720/30,25,24fps.

7D have that on 1080 and 720/50fps(Pal)60fps(NTSC)

I understand if it’s impossible numbers with this large sensor,but thats why i cant understand why them wait?

Something seems to be wrong/odd with this delay.

maybe it’s the sound?

Or something with the AF on HD filming ?

well said

yeah EC is the one thing taht still limits autoiso even on the 7D

*** CONFIRMED: Firmware is already at Canon Tech Services since Q1-Q2 of February.

CHECK POST: http://bit.ly/1mxjVG

It would be better for Canon to hurt their video line sales with their own products and not loose the momentum and let other companies do that.

So we had the firmware released, and there was 24/25p.. and audio fixes which is great.

So where does this leave 50fps at 720p? Can we expect it in another firmware update?

I tried to contact Canon as it would effect future purchases, but they say they have no information.

I can’t believe AUTO-ISO in manual mode is still broken.

If I set ISO to AUTO, means I need AUTO, not 400.
Braindead Canon engineers.