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Gear Talk => EOS-M => Topic started by: Canon Rumors on February 11, 2013, 04:59:29 AM

Title: EOS M Firmware Coming Soon
Post by: Canon Rumors on February 11, 2013, 04:59:29 AM

Improved AF performance?

We’re told new firmware for the EOS M will be coming “soon”. Possibly in the next two weeks. The firmware will address various things in the camera, the biggest being improving AF performance.


Do not expect miracles about how much it can be improved, but the camera should “hunt a lot less” in lower contrast situations. We’ll also see an improvement in AF tracking.


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Title: Re: EOS M Firmware Coming Soon
Post by: CanNotYet on February 11, 2013, 05:24:04 AM
Well, this is welcome. Although it should probably have shipped with the "improved AF performance". At the current prices, and with an at least useable AF, it is starting to look competitive.

Lets hope Canon learns a lot from the EOS-M release and brings it's A game in the next M body.
Title: Re: EOS M Firmware Coming Soon
Post by: botw on February 11, 2013, 09:31:01 AM
The AF is slow, but certainly useable, as is.   Improvement will definitely be welcome though. 
Title: Re: EOS M Firmware Coming Soon
Post by: mrzero on February 11, 2013, 10:25:08 AM
What about a similar update for the G1x?  It has the same issue, and everybody talked about how there would be a firmware update to fix it, and I haven't seen or heard anything.  I realize it may not be a big seller, but the fix might give it a bump.  It debuted around the same price point as the EOS M, too.  Anybody else waiting around for this?
Title: Re: EOS M Firmware Coming Soon
Post by: JerryKnight on February 11, 2013, 12:54:24 PM
anyone with high hopes that this FW update will bring a noticeable performance boost of the AF system?

I'm hoping this will be the case. I'm currently renting an M to try it out, and I can see where all the autofocus complaints are coming from. If you're comparing it to a point and shoot, it's fairly normal. If you compare it to a DSLR, it's almost comically slow.

Supposedly, it has the same built-in phase-detect pixels on the main sensor as the T4i. How quick is the live-view focusing on a T4i? Because the EOS M should theoretically be able to perform just as well.

Currently, it sure does act like a purely contrast-based system. Phase detection should be able to tell which direction it's out of focus, so it shouldn't have to hunt as much, but as much as the M is hunting around, it seems like it has no idea which way it's out of focus. Maybe a firmware update can adjust the balance phase and contract detection.

Still, if Fuji is able to get the AF performance the X100S has in the preview videos, it's a little disappointing that the M has to be so sluggish.
Title: Re: EOS M Firmware Coming Soon
Post by: Rocky on February 11, 2013, 04:19:14 PM
I am really puzzled by SLOW AF of  all Canon  P & S (high and  low end) and the mirrorless. Casio is A LOT faster than  Canon even 4 years ago. Now Olympus, Panasonic, Nikon and even Sony  etc. are "near DSLR" AF speed and Canon is still a turtle. I have only one sadistic reason: Canon P & S user getting fustrated and move to Canon DSLR. I am one of them.
Title: Re: EOS M Firmware Coming Soon
Post by: Act444 on February 11, 2013, 07:00:21 PM
This would definitely be welcome by me. Having used it in a few "real-world" situations (not just firing test shots in my room), I do find myself occasionally missing shots because the camera didn't focus fast enough (or at all).
Title: Re: EOS M Firmware Coming Soon
Post by: wickidwombat on February 11, 2013, 07:02:42 PM
all they have to do is make the AF using the shutter button the same as using the touch to shoot and it will be great. touch to shoot af speed is really quite acceptable and snappy its only using the button that it's a laggy mofo

Now I'm hoping they add in at least a basic intervalometer function since there is no way of connecting one :(
it would be a great little time lapse camera with this function
Title: Re: EOS M Firmware Coming Soon
Post by: noncho on February 12, 2013, 02:29:24 AM
You see how much interest is gathering this topic Canon?

YES - your mirrorless is not good rival to micro 4/3 and Nex. 
Title: Re: EOS M Firmware Coming Soon
Post by: verysimplejason on February 12, 2013, 08:15:45 AM
anyone with high hopes that this FW update will bring a noticeable performance boost of the AF system?

I'm hoping this will be the case. I'm currently renting an M to try it out, and I can see where all the autofocus complaints are coming from. If you're comparing it to a point and shoot, it's fairly normal. If you compare it to a DSLR, it's almost comically slow.

Supposedly, it has the same built-in phase-detect pixels on the main sensor as the T4i. How quick is the live-view focusing on a T4i? Because the EOS M should theoretically be able to perform just as well.

Currently, it sure does act like a purely contrast-based system. Phase detection should be able to tell which direction it's out of focus, so it shouldn't have to hunt as much, but as much as the M is hunting around, it seems like it has no idea which way it's out of focus. Maybe a firmware update can adjust the balance phase and contract detection.

Still, if Fuji is able to get the AF performance the X100S has in the preview videos, it's a little disappointing that the M has to be so sluggish.

Please don't compare EOS M with X100 with regards to AF performance.  Fuji has a smaller sensor thus focusing is a little bit better.  Focus is much more forgiving for smaller sensors.
Title: Re: EOS M Firmware Coming Soon
Post by: waynew on February 12, 2013, 10:49:53 AM
Please don't compare EOS M with X100 with regards to AF performance.  Fuji has a smaller sensor thus focusing is a little bit better.  Focus is much more forgiving for smaller sensors.

Focus is more forgiving for smaller sensors, but the X100 has a sensor which is as big (if not larger) than the M.
Title: Re: EOS M Firmware Coming Soon
Post by: waynew on February 12, 2013, 10:54:58 AM
all they have to do is make the AF using the shutter button the same as using the touch to shoot and it will be great. touch to shoot af speed is really quite acceptable and snappy its only using the button that it's a laggy mofo

Now I'm hoping they add in at least a basic intervalometer function since there is no way of connecting one :(
it would be a great little time lapse camera with this function

You should look into Magic Lantern.  It is only in Alpha for the M, but this will give you time lapse as well as some great video tools.
Title: Re: EOS M Firmware Coming Soon
Post by: JerryKnight on February 12, 2013, 10:57:46 AM
...

Still, if Fuji is able to get the AF performance the X100S has in the preview videos, it's a little disappointing that the M has to be so sluggish.

Please don't compare EOS M with X100 with regards to AF performance.  Fuji has a smaller sensor thus focusing is a little bit better.  Focus is much more forgiving for smaller sensors.

waynew beat me to the punch, but yeah - You might want to check your facts before you make claims like that.

EOS M Specs (http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/slr_cameras/eos_m_ef_m_22mm_stm_kit#Specifications) - APS-C sensor: 22.3mm x 14.9 mm
X100S Specs (http://www.fujifilm.com/products/digital_cameras/x/fujifilm_x100s/specifications/) - APS-C sensor: 23.6mm x 15.8mm

A little bit of a tangent, but Fuji is proving that APS-C sensors with built-in phase-detection can perform quite well in autofocus. Of course, they've been in the mirrorless game longer than Canon.
Title: Re: EOS M Firmware Coming Soon
Post by: jal2099 on February 12, 2013, 12:00:55 PM
You should look into Magic Lantern.  It is only in Alpha for the M, but this will give you time lapse as well as some great video tools.

I second this.  It seems remarkably stable.  I have some older, manual lenses, when used with focus peaking really bring a lot of fun to this camera.  The only nit pick with the current ML release is the overlay sits atop the Canon menus, but it sounds like they have a fix in the works.

I'm not expecting a "new camera" with a firmware update, but an improvement will be nice, though I dont' have a big beef with the AF performance outside of a handful of times.

I agree with many that the tap to focus option is faster than the half-pressed shutter release.
Title: Re: EOS M Firmware Coming Soon
Post by: wickidwombat on February 12, 2013, 06:20:34 PM
another interesting note this is a pic of part of the eos m box
it had a little white sticker over a feature icon when i removed it
it was digital video zoom! i really hope the new firmware adds this back in!
Title: Re: EOS M Firmware Coming Soon
Post by: waynew on February 14, 2013, 11:38:18 AM
You should look into Magic Lantern.  It is only in Alpha for the M, but this will give you time lapse as well as some great video tools.

I second this.  It seems remarkably stable.  I have some older, manual lenses, when used with focus peaking really bring a lot of fun to this camera.  The only nit pick with the current ML release is the overlay sits atop the Canon menus, but it sounds like they have a fix in the works.

I'm not expecting a "new camera" with a firmware update, but an improvement will be nice, though I dont' have a big beef with the AF performance outside of a handful of times.

I agree with many that the tap to focus option is faster than the half-pressed shutter release.

The overlay issue has been fixed, but I don't think they have released a new download.
Title: Re: EOS M Firmware Coming Soon
Post by: wickidwombat on February 14, 2013, 06:07:21 PM
You should look into Magic Lantern.  It is only in Alpha for the M, but this will give you time lapse as well as some great video tools.

I second this.  It seems remarkably stable.  I have some older, manual lenses, when used with focus peaking really bring a lot of fun to this camera.  The only nit pick with the current ML release is the overlay sits atop the Canon menus, but it sounds like they have a fix in the works.

I'm not expecting a "new camera" with a firmware update, but an improvement will be nice, though I dont' have a big beef with the AF performance outside of a handful of times.

I agree with many that the tap to focus option is faster than the half-pressed shutter release.

The overlay issue has been fixed, but I don't think they have released a new download.

have they got the intervalometer features working?
Title: Re: EOS M Firmware Coming Soon
Post by: waynew on February 18, 2013, 04:39:00 PM
You should look into Magic Lantern.  It is only in Alpha for the M, but this will give you time lapse as well as some great video tools.

I second this.  It seems remarkably stable.  I have some older, manual lenses, when used with focus peaking really bring a lot of fun to this camera.  The only nit pick with the current ML release is the overlay sits atop the Canon menus, but it sounds like they have a fix in the works.

I'm not expecting a "new camera" with a firmware update, but an improvement will be nice, though I dont' have a big beef with the AF performance outside of a handful of times.

I agree with many that the tap to focus option is faster than the half-pressed shutter release.

The overlay issue has been fixed, but I don't think they have released a new download.

have they got the intervalometer features working?

Yes. 
Title: Re: EOS M Firmware Coming Soon
Post by: wickidwombat on February 18, 2013, 07:22:13 PM
I've installed the alpha and it works pretty well so far
I havent done any extensive use of ML on it yet but it looks good
the intervalometer is nice and easy to setup and use too
Title: Re: EOS M Firmware Coming Soon
Post by: botw on March 04, 2013, 01:53:20 PM

Still waiting on this alleged new firmware...
Title: Re: EOS M Firmware Coming Soon
Post by: tallrob on May 03, 2013, 07:42:26 AM
AND?  We're waaaaaiiiiiiting.