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Title: Third-pary Grip. Safe?
Post by: eyeland on April 29, 2014, 09:17:35 AM
Hi
I have been doing alot of lengthy outdoor video shoots on my 5D lately. Even without ML raw, this can cause quite the power drain, so I am looking at different budget options for extended shooting. So far I am using extra cells and a car charger, but it is still not enough.
Rather than just buying more cells, I am thinking about getting a grip for the option of using normal AA cells in case of emergency. (If you badly need more charge than expected, you can send someone to pick up a load of AA's at a gas-station)
So, my question is if anyone here has any good/bad experience with the really cheap third-party no-name grips from ebay like this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/331137824745?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/331137824745?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649)
 
I know quality will not be the same as an original grip (possibly worse than the more expensive third-party options) but do you think its safe?
If it's DOA or stops working after a while, that's fine. Ebay buyer protection actually works, and I have always gotten full refunds in those cases. My only concern is if it could cause damage to my camera even though my intuition tells me that this would depend on the cells I use rather than the grip?


Nb. No need to preach about using cheap stuff on paid gigs. I am doing what I can with what I've got (rigging a DSLR for real video production is expensive) and this is meant to be a backup solution rather than something I will rely on regularly.
Title: Re: Third-pary Grip. Safe?
Post by: apacheebest on May 06, 2014, 01:35:46 AM
Hi, Meike and DSTE are well known third party brands

Check this Link: if has 24 month warranty too : http://www.ebay.com/itm/200811910218?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT (http://www.ebay.com/itm/200811910218?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)

Has 2 batteries also coded ones, You can see Power on LCD Screen. Can be Charged with your Orginal Charger.

You can also buy without Batteries , pls check ebay .

All the Best.

Anil George
Title: Re: Third-pary Grip. Safe?
Post by: Stewart K on May 06, 2014, 03:01:37 AM
I owned a 3rd party grip for my old 550D and it worked fine, there was no name on it, it came with 4 higher than stock Mhz output batteries and it cost me 28 quid ($42) off Ebay in the UK, never had a single problem and with two fully charged batteries I never ran outta juice, at the last 24hour race at the Dubai Autodrome I snapped around 2000 pics and the LCD said my battery was 1 bar off full when the race was over!!!
Hope this helps, sorry the photo is fuzzy.
Title: Re: Third-pary Grip. Safe?
Post by: eyeland on May 06, 2014, 09:02:52 AM
@apacheebest (http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=372356)
The one you link isn't available for shipping to my current location.
Will probably just go for the one in my OP and see how it works out :)
Title: Re: Third-pary Grip. Safe?
Post by: TrabimanUK on May 06, 2014, 09:39:14 AM
I've had a Meike grip on my 40D for several years, and my wife uses them on her 5DII, 60D and 7D. They are solid, and the one on my 40D has been bounced a few times and is still going, as is the camera!  ;)

Original Canon grips give you confidence, but at one hell of a price.

Go for Meike.
Title: Re: Third-pary Grip. Safe?
Post by: DRR on May 06, 2014, 10:09:11 AM
I had a Zeikos grip for my 7D and was very happy with it. Worked as advertised, full featured (as opposed to some cheap grips - they won't give you battery information for example)

I tried a cheap Opteka grip for my 5DII and was sorely disappointed. The door never closed quite right (was always a bit loose, which bothered me when I shot portrait orientation) and it did not pass through battery information to the camera. Sold it at a loss on eBay, bought a Zeikos grip for the 5DII, and I'm happy again.

The Meike grips also seem to have a pretty good reputation.

I also do not scrimp on batteries. I've tried the cheapo batteries that are supposed to replace the LP-E6 but none that I've found are worth it. I use opteka batteries in my EOS-M and they're fine though, but I don't do serious shooting with my EOS-M so that's a tradeoff I'm willing to make.

Title: Re: Third-pary Grip. Safe?
Post by: Mt Spokane Photography on May 06, 2014, 11:28:07 AM
I've never heard of one damaging a camera, there were a rash of failures when the 5D MK III first came out, but I've not heard a lot lately.
 
I wouldn't worry about damage to the camera.  Its also a good place to use third party batteries, since they will not ruin your camera if they swell up or explode.
Title: Re: Third-pary Grip. Safe?
Post by: lescrane on May 06, 2014, 01:05:59 PM
I have a cheap 3rd party grip for my 70D. It never "hurt" my camera or stopped functioning.

Only problems..shutter button extremely sensitive, goes off if I just brush it against something or lightly touch it
The button labels poorly printed and have rubbed off after a few months.

At some point I may buy the Canon but I can live w/the no name for a while
Title: Re: Third-pary Grip. Safe?
Post by: Lightmaster on May 06, 2014, 01:26:50 PM
i used delamax/phottix BG for years.
was in the desert and on iceland with them.... no problem at all.

a BG is not exactly hightech.
canon just want to much for their original BG´s.

Title: Re: Third-pary Grip. Safe?
Post by: WPJ on May 06, 2014, 04:55:29 PM
I have one original which I got with a used 7d camera and one Hong Kong aka original looks and feels the same as the original cost 75usd shipped from eBay and takes the correct as batter holder.

I was getting anywhere from 2000-4500 pics with 2 brand new originals now that the originals are a few years old and have lost one bar on there quality meter I am getting about 1500-3000 pics per set of two.
Title: Re: Third-pary Grip. Safe?
Post by: Roo on May 06, 2014, 05:10:25 PM
I got one for my 60D awhile ago.  One of the batteries that came with it was dead and the other was fine but would run out of juice faster that a Canon original.  The grip itself worked fine but would occasionally cause the main dial to stop working.  Once I moved the dial on the grip all was fine again.  For the price I paid it was ok.
Title: Re: Third-pary Grip. Safe?
Post by: sagittariansrock on May 06, 2014, 09:17:49 PM
I wouldn't use a third party grip if I was hanging my camera off the tripod mount.
You don't want the mount to pop off and dump your first-party camera and lens on hard concrete.

Otherwise, IMO, 3rd party grips are equally functional (experience with 50D and 7D grips).
Title: Re: Third-pary Grip. Safe?
Post by: wsmith96 on May 06, 2014, 10:37:39 PM
I've used Vello grips with no issues.  Reasonably priced and work as advertised.
Title: Re: Third-pary Grip. Safe?
Post by: pwp on May 07, 2014, 06:38:26 AM
I wouldn't use a third party grip if I was hanging my camera off the tripod mount.
You don't want the mount to pop off and dump your first-party camera and lens on hard concrete.
Otherwise, IMO, 3rd party grips are equally functional (experience with 50D and 7D grips).

I've had a mount pop out of a grip...fortunately when I was attaching a SpiderPro Plate to the camera so no drop.  :P 

This was a genuine Canon grip on a 5D classic. My fault, I was just plain over-tightening with the supplied Allen Key. I replaced the grip with a Meike. Years ago I gave the camera & grip to an assistant and from all accounts it's still going fine. BTW, the shutter count on that body is up near 600,000 now on the original shutter. Crazy!

-pw
Title: Re: Third-pary Grip. Safe?
Post by: eyeland on May 08, 2014, 06:41:37 AM
Thanks for the advice :)
Title: Re: Third-pary Grip. Safe?
Post by: lescrane on May 23, 2014, 11:58:13 PM
I have a cheap 3rd party grip for my 70D. It never "hurt" my camera or stopped functioning.

Only problems..shutter button extremely sensitive, goes off if I just brush it against something or lightly touch it
The button labels poorly printed and have rubbed off after a few months.

At some point I may buy the Canon but I can live w/the no name for a while

Well, after 4 months I dumped my knock off (neewer) and plunked down 175.00 for the real thing.  I had a failure in the field....the main dial of my 70D stopped functioning, but ONLY when the grip was powered on. Pulled the batteries,etc. eventually it worked again.  But not a good thing to happen. Plus I got tired of the shutter button on the grip activating with barely light incidental contact.  I don't regret trying the cheapo, but learned my lesson.
Title: Re: Third-pary Grip. Safe?
Post by: ewg963 on June 19, 2014, 01:20:17 PM
I'm using a vello grip it seems to work out fine for me. http://www.amazon.com/Vello-BG-C9-Battery-Grip-Canon/dp/B00AE1M31Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1403198341&sr=8-1&keywords=vello+battery+grip+5d+mark+iii (http://www.amazon.com/Vello-BG-C9-Battery-Grip-Canon/dp/B00AE1M31Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1403198341&sr=8-1&keywords=vello+battery+grip+5d+mark+iii)
Title: Re: Third-pary Grip. Safe?
Post by: captainkanji on June 19, 2014, 02:36:18 PM
I've been using a Meike grip on my 6D since it came out.  No issues.
Title: Re: Third-pary Grip. Safe?
Post by: ashmadux on June 19, 2014, 02:48:16 PM
third party grips ROCK. Try to stick to newer/mieike. the first on ei eve bought im at three now- was so well made i felt like i robbed canon.

Since these grips use cheaper rubber and glue, the hotter the environment, the less time these will last. I will need to replace my old t2i grip as its smoothed out and began to peel off.

Also, if its for a 70d/full frame camera, sometimes the camera doesnt properly ready the battery status. no big deal.
Title: Re: Third-pary Grip. Safe?
Post by: lion rock on June 19, 2014, 03:57:35 PM
I have 4 third party grips, one for my 40D, 2 for my 5DII, and 1 for my 5DIII.
All worked well. 
I do have two observations:
First, the wheel at the back of the camera stopped responding when the grip is turned on.  Turning it off returned the wheel functionality.
Second, the battery seems to drain faster when the grip is turned on.  Probably because of the internal electronics in the grip.

On the 5DII grips, I took one apart so I can modify the electronics to accept a remote shutter release receiver so I can reduce the external wiring for the remote.  But, with the complex electronics modules in the grip, it just became too daunting a job.  But what I found out through the process is that on the top mount where the 1/4-20 screw going into the camera tripod mount, there is a metal plate the size of the grip!  The same is true of the bottom of the grip.  So, there are 2 plates within the grip, securely screwed to the shell.  It is satisfying to know that the structure is very secured in terms of construction.  There is no need to worry of the camera breaking off from the grip.

Know this, I feel confident about using the grips.

-r
Title: Re: Third-pary Grip. Safe?
Post by: mdmphoto on August 14, 2014, 05:12:00 AM
I've joyfully used 3rd-party grips for 40-, 50-, and 7D for the longest time.  I started with a canon grip on the 7D,but when the battery door failed I bought a polaroid branded one which added features: an intervalometer & remote control amongst them, at a fraction of the canon price, and it seems a lot sturdier, and has lasted me more than twice the life of the canon.  I enjoyed similar results with the xxD grips.
HOWEVER:
I bought one for my 6D and quit using it after a couple of months.  When I used it the camera exhibited various malfunctions including freezing (shutter not functioning on camera, turning itself off, shutter sticking, and not awakening from sleep mode.  Missed several shots.  It wasn't the 3rd party batteries which were marketed as chipped for 6D, as they have continued to work once I ditched the grip...
Title: Re: Third-pary Grip. Safe?
Post by: Lightmaster on August 14, 2014, 06:25:02 AM
using delamax and phottix grips for years.
there is some china stuff that comes under at least 4 different brand names.

never had a single issue.
Title: Re: Third-party Grip. Safe?
Post by: Keith_Reeder on August 14, 2014, 07:16:02 AM
Been using aftermarket grips since my 30D back in 2006 - no problems whatsoever, as long as I've stuck to better-known brands like Meike.

As to the risk of failure of the tripod mount: it can happen, but I routinely hang my Sigma 120-300mm f/2.8 OS + 2x TC off my cameras, and avoid the stress of worrying about the tripod mount popping out, by not using it.

My strap of choice is the Op/Tech Sling Strap, and it comes with two mounting loops. I attach the upper one to the right-hand strap mount on the shoulder of the camera, and the lower one on the right hand strap mount of the grip, and it's bomb-proof.

This arrangement also lets the rig hang against my right hip in the most comfortable and safest way possible (lens pointing back and down), so it's win-win... 
Title: Re: Third-pary Grip. Safe?
Post by: marceloshak on August 14, 2014, 08:13:10 AM
I have a Pixel Vertax battery grip for my Canon 60D. Very well built and sturdy, I only have 1 complaint: when you let the batteries inside the grip, they will deplete completely in 3 or 4 days.
Title: Re: Third-pary Grip. Safe?
Post by: dgatwood on August 23, 2014, 09:22:39 PM

The only problem I've had on my 6D is a little quirk where I'll occasionally (three or four times over the course of a year) lose the ability to use the main exposure dial on the camera until I nudge the exposure dial on the grip.  I have no idea why that happens—probably a software bug.
Title: Re: Third-pary Grip. Safe?
Post by: MichaelHodges on August 23, 2014, 11:23:00 PM
I only use third party grips, and in poor weather.

The only problem I've had is the paint wearing off on one grip. It made the camera look older/more roughed up than it was.