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Photography Technique / Re: Cropping
« on: September 19, 2014, 12:53:07 PM »
Sorry for the delay in answering, but I just got back from my travels.

I thought a screen capture video would better illustrate the technique so here it is.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/12hc32ci12qscvx/content%20aware%20scale.mp4?dl=0

Obviously I am not very good at videos and was using a laptop through my desktop screen and kept using the wrong keyboard, and the audio sucks! But hopefully this is a good illustration of the technique and will continue the discussion.

Of course you can fine tune the technique and do the conversion in stages to better control what gets pulled etc, as I said, every image and output will probably require a different combination of techniques.

Fantastic! Thanks so much for taking the time to do this. This exemplifies a couple of things.
- My total ignorance about PS
- Logan had correctly pointed out that I was thinking too hard but what PS can do is even beyond my imagination!
Thanks again!

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Photography Technique / Re: Live View and Remote Release
« on: September 17, 2014, 09:56:11 PM »
for night shots, if you have trouble with manual focus (use 10x live view zoom to help), focus once, then switch to manual focus at the lens. then if you dont change subjects or bump the focus ring, you can easily keep the same focus.

you should be able to take note of when the camera is struggling to find focus, it will cycle back and forth through the whole range looking for something. if you have the focus points in blackness it will not work, you need something there for it to "see". if its not even trying to focus, then its a problem with the settings and your release, like others suggested.

Good suggestion. Will do. Thanks

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Photography Technique / Re: Live View and Remote Release
« on: September 17, 2014, 09:55:33 PM »
Try this - go into the Live View menu settings and then into the Silent Live View shooting mode settings. Change the setting to “Disable” and it should work.  The first two silent Live View settings also disable the use of flash and screw up the older TS-E lens and extension tube exposures and I think it screw up the the cable release function as well.

Done. Haven't tested it though. Any downside of leaving in the disable mode? I just want to keep it simple and not have to switch back and forth unless I really need to. Thanks

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Photography Technique / Re: Live View and Remote Release
« on: September 17, 2014, 09:53:51 PM »
I have noticed the live view focus is a lot slower in low light, so my guess is it couldn't get focus. You could try "quick focus" in live view, manual pg 207, and see if that helps. But I would use manual focus at night.

I think this was the problem. Is there a downside to leaving it in the "quick mode"?

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Photography Technique / Re: Square or not?
« on: September 17, 2014, 07:10:51 PM »
Square. The subject gets more isolated and hence gets more emphasis that way.

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Photography Technique / Re: Cropping
« on: September 15, 2014, 08:17:22 AM »
its stretched out, but that might work for you. check the stairs in the bottom left and the tree.

ray, you are over thinking this buddy. you have a rectangle A, and you want it to be a rectangle B. forget the numbers. how do you make one rectangle into a different shaped rectangle?

ADD some material (white space to cut off, cloned sky, black silhouette if possible)
SUBTRACT some material (crop to the correct aspect)
STRETCH it (only works with some subjects)

if you wanted a tall narrow print and you took a wide thin panorama, what would you need to fix it? think about it. the differences between your picture and the available print sizes are smaller, but no different.

PS: metal prints are available in any shape or size you want. even custom shapes. try a different source maybe. regardless, it will look great, black and white night shots look amazing on aluminum.

http://www.adoramapix.com/app/products/metalprints

8x12 is 29.99 i think...

Logan,
I agree that I am thinking too much into this. I need to be patient and learn. I think I got a bit frustrated that I'd rather spend more time shooting than behind the laptop but I understand that the latter is important as well. Though I would love to know what PVD did to stretch the image without it appearing distorted. What I did eventually is had a 12 by 18 metal done offered by the same lab. This will be my first so lets see how it turns out. They are expensive. Adoramapix is cheaper than the lab I am trying but I was not happy with the trial paper prints that they sent. They are sending a second set without the color corrections, so lets see. Thanks for you kind words.

it IS distorted, look at the bottom left. the tree is fat and the lines in the sidewalk are jaggy.
you are looking for a magic bullet. there isn't one. in limited circumstances you can edit more content into the picture, depending on your skill in PS, but that is the exception, not the rule. leaving the subject filling less of the frame gives you more room to crop. you filled the frame with the tower, and you have no room to crop.
Sure it is stretched but to me it is within acceptable range. What I meant is with the stretch it was still within acceptable distortion. I think what I am finding out is I have to keep these factors in mind when composing the shot. So far all I did was get the best shot disregarding everything else connected to post processing.  I understand that the magic bullet doesn't exist. Thanks

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Photography Technique / Re: Cropping
« on: September 12, 2014, 12:21:18 PM »
Yup, have been reading some interesting posts. Feel slightly better now.  ;)

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Photography Technique / Re: Cropping
« on: September 11, 2014, 08:46:40 AM »
its stretched out, but that might work for you. check the stairs in the bottom left and the tree.

ray, you are over thinking this buddy. you have a rectangle A, and you want it to be a rectangle B. forget the numbers. how do you make one rectangle into a different shaped rectangle?

ADD some material (white space to cut off, cloned sky, black silhouette if possible)
SUBTRACT some material (crop to the correct aspect)
STRETCH it (only works with some subjects)

if you wanted a tall narrow print and you took a wide thin panorama, what would you need to fix it? think about it. the differences between your picture and the available print sizes are smaller, but no different.

PS: metal prints are available in any shape or size you want. even custom shapes. try a different source maybe. regardless, it will look great, black and white night shots look amazing on aluminum.

http://www.adoramapix.com/app/products/metalprints

8x12 is 29.99 i think...

Logan,
I agree that I am thinking too much into this. I need to be patient and learn. I think I got a bit frustrated that I'd rather spend more time shooting than behind the laptop but I understand that the latter is important as well. Though I would love to know what PVD did to stretch the image without it appearing distorted. What I did eventually is had a 12 by 18 metal done offered by the same lab. This will be my first so lets see how it turns out. They are expensive. Adoramapix is cheaper than the lab I am trying but I was not happy with the trial paper prints that they sent. They are sending a second set without the color corrections, so lets see. Thanks for you kind words.

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Photography Technique / Re: Cropping
« on: September 10, 2014, 08:53:46 PM »
Wow! I'll wait for the detailed method. Your brilliance is equally matched by my ignorance ! The more I learn the more appalled I get at how little I  know. Thanks a lot!

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Photography Technique / Re: Cropping
« on: September 10, 2014, 08:25:18 PM »
So here is a problem. Attached is a image I took. Now I want to print in a 8 by 10. When I use that aspect ratio I can't get the image I want. I want the water below the tower and some sky above. Unless I keep the aspect ratio of the original I just can't get the composition I desire. :o
Had I wanted a simple paper print that might be okay with the white bars that the lab printed so they could use their standards but I want a metal print and obviously that wouldn't work on that. So do I have a way out? Or am I limited to maintain the original aspect ratio and print that size i.e 1:1.5
Which would mean a tiny 4 by 6 or a huge 16 by 20. Neither of which I desire. Thanks

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Photography Technique / Re: Cropping
« on: September 10, 2014, 12:59:49 PM »

Ok. So far my pictures are saved in iPhoto. Since I have now started to take interest in PS, I was going to find a way to now move all past and future images to ACR, but not started yet. I am hoping there is a way to do it. So if I now get LR I guess I should move to LR instead? Is there an easy way to get the older images in LR? In the interest of space and memory should I delete CS5 entirely and just default to LR? Thanks,
Ray

yes, lightroom will let you import a large number of photos at one time, copying/moving/renaming them and even processing them as per your settings. you will confuse yourself if you think of them as "saved in iphoto". they are saved in the folder they are in, you do not need to "move" anything to edit them in a different program. once you understand how cataloging works i think it will be more clear, maybe someone has a link explaining sidecars vs databases etc.
I am not sure I understand. When Iedit them, I have to open the image in ACR or PS from iPhoto. What I do want to do is make PS or LR as my default intake program from which I can edit as needed. Secondly, empty my iPhoto entirely and port and store all past images in the same place as well.

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Photography Technique / Re: Cropping
« on: September 10, 2014, 08:25:27 AM »
Since I am learning Photoshop I want to keep it simple if possible.

"Photoshop" implicitly contradicts "simple". If you are ok with the tool ACR provides, you could probably have a look at Lightroom - it's much more streamlined for a digitial photography workflow and the answer to question such as yours might be more obvious.

How do I make my cropping non destructive?

Could you elaborate what "non destructive" means here? Until pdb wrote the opposite I though if you crop traditional pixel image and then save, the cropped area is gone, but I'm not familiar with the newest PS versions. In any case that's again where Lightroom and the ACR tools in Photoshop excel - they're always non-destructive and you can quickly make several virtual copies with different settings and croppings.

 :D
I agree that PS and simplicity do not go together.
What I have done a bit is play with the sliders in ACR and then ported the image to PS. I like the global sliders in ACR. I also saw some videos which made an average image into an awesome one using PS. I am not sure I want to do that but that is a separate discussion.   It does amaze me how capable PS is.
Before I jump for another software which is million miles ahead of my capability what does Lightroom offer that PS does not? Or is it just easier for a novice like me to use?
Your next question has been answered by PVD.
Thanks,
Ray

Cropping in ACR is totally non destructive.

Lightroom is a better buy for most photographers than PS. LR is an asset management program that has the complete ACR module under the Develop tab, everything you can do in ACR you can do in LR, and a lot more besides. LR is more like an integrated version of Bridge, ACR and PS, though it can't handle all the file types Bridge can and it can't do many of the complicated stuff PS can. It is a very good program and I recommend it as the best $125 a keen photographer can spend, just being able to manage all your files is worth the money but it does so much more too.

Everything you do in Lightroom is non destructive, you have to try really hard for it to actually ever touch your original image file.
Ok. So far my pictures are saved in iPhoto. Since I have now started to take interest in PS, I was going to find a way to now move all past and future images to ACR, but not started yet. I am hoping there is a way to do it. So if I now get LR I guess I should move to LR instead? Is there an easy way to get the older images in LR? In the interest of space and memory should I delete CS5 entirely and just default to LR? Thanks,
Ray

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Photography Technique / Re: Cropping
« on: September 09, 2014, 03:35:47 PM »
Since I am learning Photoshop I want to keep it simple if possible.

"Photoshop" implicitly contradicts "simple". If you are ok with the tool ACR provides, you could probably have a look at Lightroom - it's much more streamlined for a digitial photography workflow and the answer to question such as yours might be more obvious.

How do I make my cropping non destructive?

Could you elaborate what "non destructive" means here? Until pdb wrote the opposite I though if you crop traditional pixel image and then save, the cropped area is gone, but I'm not familiar with the newest PS versions. In any case that's again where Lightroom and the ACR tools in Photoshop excel - they're always non-destructive and you can quickly make several virtual copies with different settings and croppings.

 :D
I agree that PS and simplicity do not go together.
What I have done a bit is play with the sliders in ACR and then ported the image to PS. I like the global sliders in ACR. I also saw some videos which made an average image into an awesome one using PS. I am not sure I want to do that but that is a separate discussion.   It does amaze me how capable PS is.
Before I jump for another software which is million miles ahead of my capability what does Lightroom offer that PS does not? Or is it just easier for a novice like me to use?
Your next question has been answered by PVD.
Thanks,
Ray

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Photography Technique / Re: Cropping
« on: September 09, 2014, 02:39:15 PM »
Likely CS6, I have the CS5 and didn't see that box

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Photography Technique / Re: Cropping
« on: September 09, 2014, 08:31:25 AM »
So lets say you don't have a final size in mind for a print(or have no plans for a print) and are just editing the image. Do you crop to a specific aspect ratio? Or do you edit but not crop? Thanks

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