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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 5DS & EOS 5DS R Press Release
« on: February 05, 2015, 03:35:03 PM »
The sony was just a painful camera to use. The evf is very hard to use as it isn't very detailed- i.e., you can't see the expression of someone you are shooting if they further back full length from the camera. The evf also lags badly and smudges when its dark.

I rented a Sony A7R to complement my 5D3 during a two-week fall trip last year.  While I loved the 36MP and better DR; the EVF was unusable for careful filter and compositional work.  Its really bad when yellow aspens look green in the viewfinder, let alone try to figure out the placement of a ND Grad.  Focus Peaking was nice however.  My takeaway after two weeks - the A7R would be a fine alternate camera back - work and composite with the 5D, then replace with the A7R.  Had Canon not announced a high MP, that would have been my 2015 strategy.  But thankfully the 5DS is here so I can work everything out in the primary.

Now this is not a slam on Mirrorless...  The A7R is a breakthrough camera.  I just think EVF technology needs to improve.   

For me personally, I think I will long-term be a DSLR guy - I see better than 20/20 at long (not so good close with contacts), so I want to keep that viewing advantage while I still have it.

This doesn't make any sense to me. :)

Why does color matter through the viewfinder if shooting RAW? You shoot RAW right?

How on Earth is it hard to place filters using the EVF? I use my Live View LCD for this very specific reason. Why is an EVF different? Why can't you use the rear LCD?

The word "unusable" brings images in my mind of people in infomercials who fall off a cliff when trying to eat their morning cereal with a regular spoon. Or can't open a cabinet without ripping the door off and having the house fall down. :)

I'm only being partially snarky, as I have not used the EVF in the A7, but I've used enough of them to question what you are having issues with? Just curious.

Unusable is completely accurate when you are shooting a advertisement and the person is very small in frame and you are trying to catch certain expressions. I guess you can look over the camera with your eyes, but that defeats the use of the EVF. I tried really hard to shoot a girl running through the woods for an advertisement and I just couldn't see what I was doing with the A7R, it was like looking at a old VHS video , delayed and smudged.

Of cause RAW is used! The colour is off with nikons, it can be fixed, but it is more work. Theres a weird green tone in the skin tones that tricky to fix. The canon skin tone are far better straight out of camera. All my retouchers have said this as well.

My post is based on shooting the sony A7R, the d800, the 810 and the canon 5dmk3 all together and alternating for a few months. I did own all of these cameras for a time (although i have sold the nikons now).

I do believe EVF's are the future, but they really aren't there yet! This is probably why arri has released a optical viewfinder alexa- i have heard all the complaints about EVF's from many DP's I have worked beside.

paul

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 5DS & EOS 5DS R Press Release
« on: February 05, 2015, 02:04:29 PM »
This is the best news I could expect for my needs for a camera. I shoot adverting and I am having to shoot multiple shots together as the file size of the 5dmk3 is not large enough. Often shots get cropped, or a wide shot has to also cover a vertical, and 23mp struggles with this.
Its been a long wait and in the mean time I have purchased a d800, d810, and a sony a7r, none of them came close to the handling and usability of the 5dmk3. both the nikons and the sony obviously had a better file, and had better dynamic range.
but the nikons focus was very inaccurate when the conditions were dark (i.e. shooting at f1.4, 60th, 8000iso). i shot alongside the canon and only the canon could focus. I tested the cameras side by side for two weeks of shooting and the nikon just couldn't focus nearly as well. The colour of the nikons file out of the camera is off as well, the canons was far better as a starting point. This was the opinion of my retoucher who far preferred the canon files.
The sony was just a painful camera to use. The evf is very hard to use as it isn't very detailed- i.e., you can't see the expression of someone you are shooting if they further back full length from the camera. The evf also lags badly and smudges when its dark. The controls are painful as well.

Canon on the other hand is a dream to use with both the controls and the menus. I bet this camera will do everything that the mk3 did but just a bit better. I would have liked decent video on this, but its not that important.
This camera should be the nail in the coffin for my use of medium format.

paul

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EOS Bodies / Re: Bingo! New Canon 5Ds has 50.6 MP new rumored specs
« on: February 04, 2015, 01:56:10 PM »
Not written in this first spec, but  I hope   I want USB3 pleeease !!

it has to be- how are you going to move 50mp files? the 7d mk2 has usb3, so my guess it will have it.

paul

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EOS Bodies / Re: FPS and Flash Sync Speed
« on: February 01, 2015, 08:42:59 PM »
I wonder why they aren't able to increase the flash sync speed past 1/200.  Would the only reason for this be that the shutter / mirror assembly isn't fast enough?  If that is the case and the camera has a relatively slow mirror, maybe we shouldn't hope for faster fps in crop modes either.

1/200 is very disappointing for a studio body, where sync speeds are important.

isn't that a 3rd of a stop?


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EOS Bodies / Re: Bingo! New Canon 5Ds has 50.6 MP new rumored specs
« on: February 01, 2015, 02:30:57 PM »
does anyone know what "EV-2 support" is?

yes ... central sensor of phase AF-system will work down to light levels of minus 2 EV [@ ISO 100]

has nothing to do with (support for) an electronic viewfinder (EVF).

bummer

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EOS Bodies / Re: Bingo! New Canon 5Ds has 50.6 MP new rumored specs
« on: February 01, 2015, 01:59:26 PM »
does anyone know what "EV-2 support" is?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Modular DSLR Coming from Canon? [CR2]
« on: October 30, 2014, 04:28:14 AM »
Modular to me would be a camera like the old F-1. I still miss the Speed Finder which was much more interesting than the Nikon Action Finder - I had both. As well, focusing screens could be swapped out with less than a surgical procedure as now. Removing the finder made this possible.
Tom

a speed finder, or an option for some kind of moveable evf (as long as its better than the crappy sony a7r evf!) would be great. after 23 years of shooting, i really miss a waist finder. i have many back problems as the camera has only got a eye level finder, and the best shots are always somewhere awkward. i envy the cine dp's that have various eye finders at different heights, and comfy seats  and even eyecup warmers! they get special treatment. but us stills guys that do this for a living get stuck with semi aperture equipment all the time.

paul

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EOS Bodies / Re: More Talk of an October Announcement of a DSLR [CR1]
« on: September 27, 2014, 10:46:13 PM »
To all the people threatening to jump from Canon to Sony/Nikon...

When you bought your Canon camera, it was obviously because you needed/wanted its performance.  It was good enough.  Now suddenly it's not good enough?  Did it deteriorate in quality?  You bought a camera because its performance was what sought, and now its performance (which is the exact same as when you bought it) is not good enough?  Y'all make me laugh.  Hah.

im an advertising photographer that has shot with canon most of the digital part of my career since the 1ds. I love canons lenses and usability of canon cameras, in my opinion the best thought out.
but the canon 22mp files have got me into trouble in several occasions with not having enough head room in the files and not having enough res. So in the past I have shot with phase and a contax when i needed the res and the file depth. Medium format is a dog though, unreliable and slow to work with. I used it, but I hated it.

So a few months ago i brought a sony a7r. I can use all my canon lenses on it, and the file quality absolutely blew away my canon. Not as good as my contax phase 65+, but very close. But the handling of the camera is awful, and the evf is so un-detailed, i really can't see what I am doing. Also, the evf doesn't work at all in even slight dark conditions, it delays and looses even more detail. so on paper its great, but in practice it isn't at all a professional camera IMO.

But being so impressed with the sony a7r, I brought a d800 to test. A very nice camera, easy to use and again, shooting the same shots side by side with the canon 5dmk3, the d800 absolutely blows away the canon file in detail and dynamic range. its like night and day- shoot a subject with strong back light at the same exposure and iso the canon looses the highlights completely, where the nikon pull so much more highlight detail.
I am so sold on nikon files, i am now buying nikon lenses and just got a d810 to shoot. This is even though my favourite lenses by far is my canon ef 50mm f1.0 and 85mm f1.2 (i shoot with a very short dof).
I am so impressed with my d810, I will no longer need to shoot with my dinosaur contax and phase p65!

I am about the last photographer out of all the dozens of professional photographers I know that has now moved to Nikon. Everybody use to shoot canon, now everyone in my industry shoots nikon. Nikon has also also taken medium format photographers away from their old cameras as well. Even the canon shooters I know are quite aware than canon files are inferior- they say they are waiting for canons next camera. But we have all waited too long. I hope canons answer will be at least as good- i would love to go back to canon, but at the moment Nikon is easily the most useful photographic tool out there.

paul

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EOS Bodies / Re: New Full Frame Camera in Testing? [CR1]
« on: May 29, 2014, 10:27:31 PM »
Canon often do this kind of thing so that their products are fully tested by trusted professionals and they get the feed back their development engineers need. If they don't do this 1D4 fiascos are likely to occurr. While this kind of leak plays to our emotions, it is necessary for the developement of better camera models. But it is also kind of cool, becuase we get to hear very loose by telling information about prototypes which are currently in devleopment. We know (via other rumours) that Canon have a sensor patent / design which uses a different arrangement of the traditional bayer RGB array. It's likely that this new sensor is a test bed for that particular patent / technology and it appears to be an improvement over the current tech.
Bare in mind that the 5DIII resolves nearly as much detail as the D800. It's only the top end optical resolution of a few of the worlds sharpest lenses which can allow the D800 to out resolve the 5DIII and even then, there isn't much between them. Amusingly, Canon have more lenses in that bracket, than Nikon currently do...Canon's new 24-70IIL is the sharpest zoom lens so far from any brand. When Canon finally releases a camera body with this kind of MP count, there will be a lot of lenses to match the sensor's capabilies, where as Nikon have very few lenses which can match their current sensor tech. Most of their lenses do not optically resolve much over 22mp.
I think this new camera's sensor point to a more efficient use of the RGB array and probably the removal of the AA filter to create sharper and clearer details with  the same resolution of 22mp. If this is the case, the new camera could easily match the D800's sharpness and detail but at a more effficient 22mp. the improvement in colour rendition sound good and i only hope that Canon have employed a simular supporting sensor design to achieve the same (if not better) shadow noise pushability in their raw files. This isn't an expanded DR as some have claimed, it's purely a better control of iso noise in the shadow areas of a raw file. Where as Canon files tend to break up and display banding with the same level of pushing in the shadows.
one could argue that the scene was incorrectly exposed in the first place...but the fact remains, Nikon / Sony currently have a 1.5 stop advantage in this single feature on their sensors. All the other features are a lot closer than the marketing / spin doctors would let you belive.   


hi, i have owned a multiple every professional canon camera since the 1ds mk1, and at the moment i own  5dmk3's.
i brought a sony a7r to test a few weeks ago and was absolutely blown away by the detail and the latitude of the sony file. it clearly blows away the canon in detail with exactly the same lenses (i have been using the metabone adaptor I've shot exactly the same thing with two cameras and there just is no comparison.

i have no idea how you can say there are similar! have you got both cameras?

I was so impressed with the file from the sony- but very disappointed with the evf and usability of the sony. so i brought a d800 and lenses. the d800 appears virtually identical file wise to the sony, and i am very happy with it.

i am reluctantly holding on to my canon gear waiting for photokina. but canon has to improve their files with both megapixels and file depth, or i will be changing completely to nikon for the first time in 15years. the 5dmk3 files have disappointed me over and over again.
almost everyone i know who shoots in my field (advertising photography) have seriously considered or already moved to nikon.

paul

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EOS Bodies / Re: New Full Frame Camera in 2014? [CR1]
« on: March 26, 2014, 03:27:00 PM »
a large promotion of the professional advertising market..

How big is that market?  Is it big enough to drive Canon's R&D and marketing strategy?  Maybe Canon is willing to let that market go (for a while) to avoid making a costly mistake.

i guess they could, but i would have thought theres credibility in owning the top end of the market. the local dealer over here also says the d800 is really well. but maybe you are right?
but i think canon would be silly if they thought like that. its the resin that car manufactures have a limited run sports car- to set their place in the market. i can't see canon just letting the D800e be the best camera on the market.
and they can sell these at a lot higher cost- i am not that cost driven - nor any of the guys i mentioned early. sure we like saving money, but the features of the camera to make life easier is more important. cameras are one the cheapest part of our kits- we didn't ask for it to be this way, but it makes it easy to have multiple bodies etc. the original 1ds cost me 15k nod (12k usd) and it paid for itself on one job. happy to pay this much again for a "niche" market version of a canon camera that can answer the d800.
i heard a while back there was 9000 professional photographers in the UK alone- not sure if this figure is right, but i wouldn't be surprised. even if these people didn't really need the megapixels- i guarantee they would not be able to help them selves if there was a higher megapixel camera available. i can see that even wedding photographers could do with more megapixels- to allow for cropping and different formats. pixel binning makes for better files as well when downsized.

paul


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EOS Bodies / Re: New Full Frame Camera in 2014? [CR1]
« on: March 26, 2014, 02:42:00 PM »
This actually makes sense to me, although I've been skeptical about Canon's "need" to release a high megapixel full frame camera.

I'll go back to a prediction I make quite a while back – I can see Canon releasing a "5D HD" that offers a pixel density somewhere in the same neighborhood as the 7D (46 mp), perhaps a little less. Same body, same basic functionality (with a slower frame rate likely) just a new sensor and maybe a little faster processor.

It would give customers a choice, but keep their production costs down since many of the components could be shared by both bodies.  Canon has see the D800 sales figures, so they know that high megapixels aren't in huge demand, but they probably also know there is a small subset of customers that will pay a premium for more resolution. Give them what they want, but keep the production costs down.

hi, im not sure where you get your viewpoint. i shoot advertising images and i do use a 5dmk3, but the files are almost always on the edge of usability. if there is cropping, or shadows pulled up(or sky recovered) the canon is terrible. the only reason i haven't changed systems is that i shoot with a very shallow dof and the canon has the best lenses for this.
I have tested the d800e and i have brought a sony a7r and in every test i have done with the cameras together the sony sensor absolutely eats the canon. i find the latitude of the nikon and sony cameras closer to my p65+ (but obvious less res) but even better with the darks getting pulled up.
i don't know about the amateur market, but a large promotion of the professional advertising market (not the editorial or sports) has moved to the nikon d800e from the canon and even a lot have dropped medium format for nikon. i could list a dozen photographers in the top of their fields in the world now shooting with nikon. and thats just out of the few advertising photographers i know personally.

im not saying the nikon is the best for usability- the canon has the best interface, lenses and AF, but the file itself is very disappointing. i say this from a lot of canon file experience (I've shot at least 400,000 files with the 5dmk3 in the last few years). the 5dmk3 is a bit of a love hate camera for me..

i really hope canon answers with a better file (latitude wise)- higher MP (which is badly needed for my market) so i can throw away slow, difficult medium format and only need one camera for everything i shoot.

paul

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EOS Bodies / Re: A Big Megapixel Discussion
« on: June 11, 2013, 11:49:31 PM »
AND IT NEEDS TO BE CHEAPER THAN THE 1DX OTHERWISE WE MAY AS WELL USE MEDIUM FORMAT DIGITAL

you obviously don't have a medium format! they are a pain in the ass to use, so far behind in technology. price isn't everything, i want it to do the best job it can, price isn't the most important factor for a big chunk of the market.

what i need as an advertising photographer is more speed, more iso and lots of megapixels. my p65+ has enough pixels, it just cant be used in many situations. if canon can release a decent high megapixel camera that can do iso 800 at 3-5 fps, they will own the high end of the market.

paul

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D L Announced, Shipping in May
« on: April 02, 2013, 02:35:20 AM »
really cool for 3d video, one left hand version, one right, without a large gap...


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EOS Bodies / Re: Big Megapixel Camera in 2014
« on: February 08, 2013, 01:56:23 AM »
In other words (like I suspected) Nikon's D800 completely blindsided Canon.

So not to loose face and stem a possible hemorrhage of photographers into Nikon's camp, Canon releases disinformation rumors.

First:  We may be releasing a high MB camera soon.
Second:  Uh, we STILL haven't released a high MB camera because it's taking longer because it's neeeewwwwwww sensor technology.
Third:  We have to upgrade the lens first.

Last one really amuses me because it implies that Canon lens suck compared to Nikon.  Nikon didn't need to upgrade their lens for people to instantly see massive benefit from the D800.  Will a whole new slew of Canon lens be needed to see a difference with Canon new high MB camera?

Sad.

i have to agree. in my world (advertising photography), so many professionals have ditched canon for nikon, and more have ditched medium format. i only know of a few photographers still shooting medium format, because its a pain in the ass. i have considered buying a d800e for the meantime so i don't need to use my p65 so much, but i have so much invested in canon lenses. and some canon lenses are really unavailable in nikon. i use my 50 f1.0, 85 f1.2, 200 f1.8 and ts17 for almost all my shoots, and nikon has none of these.

i dream of having a fast shooting high megapixel canon, my life would be so much easier. i wish it was out soon.

paul


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EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon EOS-1S the Name? [CR1]
« on: October 06, 2012, 04:53:39 PM »
9000$? Why not just get a MF system then?  :o


because it will be able to focus properly , have a decent iso, and shoot at a decent rate.

i own medium format with a p65+ (owned a lot of different systems of medium format over the years) and i am eagerly waiting for an easier to use system. i hope the canon is it.

paul

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