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Yawn.
Canon, you are now 3 years behind Sony, and by proxy, Nikon, in introducing reasonably priced full frame, high MP sensors. You don't have anything on the market that even comes close - you just keep rehashing the same old 18-22 MP stuff.

Stop messing around and fix your sensor production issues.

Canon is behind in the two things distinguish digital camera systems: lenses and sensors. All the other bells and whistles are just firmware and marketing - including the much talked about "dual focus system". Every manufacturer will have it or some variant in short order.

Nikon's lenses were always top notch, and now thanks to widely available low dispersion glass formulas and inexpensive computer measuring and computer controlled grinding, Sony, Sigma and everyone else has caught up. And at lower price points.

Canon's super high priced L glass would be justifiable IF they had super sensors. They don't. So Canon just looks like they are abusing their customers when equal or better performing glass from their competitors sells for many hundreds or even a thousand less.

If standard chip manufacturing progress is any indication, within a year Sony will be ready introduce the next generation of its large, high MP sensors as well as reduce the price of the sensors on the market now.

So quit farting around Canon - release your high end sensor, even if it means taking a loss on the body to keep it affordable OR license Sony's tech.

Time is not you your side.

Having just announced they want to move into security devices, then showing a sensor capable of low light video is eminently sensible imho.

Secondly, expanding your lines of business when there is serious competition and reduction in your digital camera business means you are able to still invest in those lines - effectively supporting them with the newer revenue streams....

People on this forum may not like the fact that canon mix video with their stills cameras, branch out into higher end video cameras for the movie industry and now are moving into security devices. But such moves are intended to keep the company growing, or at least reduce the losses from other lines of business so they can still make lenses and cameras we are interested in.

I, for one, hope they are successful...

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Canon General / Re: procamerashop?
« on: September 09, 2013, 04:26:01 PM »
Indeed but a customer on another web site has reported that all orders have been cancelled.
I've been thinking about using them but this has put doubt in my mind hence the original post
I emailed them last night and got a reply this morning to say they are having technical problems.

I've personally used them in the past for quite a lot of business without issue, and with direct bank transfers. I've spoken to them on the phone, but also done transactions via email. I always check the item is in the UK and will ship in the normal period stated, which to be fair it always has (bar one occasion)

If you're worried, then you perhaps could consider using your credit card if it covers you against bankruptcy, but I would certainly hold off until the website appears then speak to them on the phone. I would add, as I have in the past, that I have no affiliation with them at all....

Re Warranty - fair point, of course all the lenses are made in either China, Taiwan or Japan (mainly the latter I believe), so you are taking a risk, but I've not had any problem with L gear purchased from them in the past 2 years....

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: New Canon Hi-pixel Medium format...?
« on: August 17, 2013, 05:13:55 AM »
Canons  own 2 fab lines is not enough, the cost of one stitched  MF sensor will be  very high and take resources from the old  sensors fab lines. Canon have a high internal cost regarding there own sensors and the sensor lines does not generate any money, other departments does

Hi ankorwatt, isn't this a bit like saying VW Audi (insert alternate brand here it makes no difference) engine plant makes no money, only the body line, it's not a car without an engine, it's not a camera without a sensor?
Not trying to be facetious just asking.

Cheers Graham.

well , the info I have is that that Canon is sluggish and has taken a decision that the sensor must be in the house.
Now Fujitsu are mounting together some of Canons  sensors  so the plates then leave the house anyway. Canon's sensor department is supported by other units, it would be better to put manufacturing at factories that have already invested in the right equipment, so do Aptina, Nikon, Omnivision and even Sony  with several others.
The downside of outsourcing is that you are beholden to the manufacturing tech std at that factory. And of course trying to keep NDAs enforced is far more difficult when it's not your company.

The upside is that you have more choice / competition and can leverage that to your advantage. Plus you should negate the potential loss of margin of outsource as they should be able to do it cheaper than you based on scale.

Net result I agree, if Canon cannot invest in new equipment as quick as their competitors as they're not achieving the scale, which in itself is a vicious circle, then the only solution appears to be outsource that aspect of manufacturing to specialists....

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I'd rather remain someone anonymous, so I'll change the name and places to protect the ignorant... I mean innocent.

Well, the lady's company name is... oh lets say Burrito Supreme Photography.  And her water mark is a very nice, very swirly font that spells BS photography.  Does she simply not know what the Acronym BS stands for in the rest of America... maybe the world? 

And every time she posts something on Facebook... I think... maybe she just simply doesn't know. Though I am really not one to talk since my company name is Dirty Sanchez Photography, but my acronym is DSP... so not nearly as awful.

Umm... you know the urban definition of "Dirty Sanchez" right  ;D ??

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: New Canon Hi-pixel Medium format...?
« on: August 12, 2013, 07:09:06 PM »
Hmmm....

No sense some of you say?

The lens problem is solved in the short term by the 645 lenses, they get access to tech. and if they've done their research, they're buying a profitable company and associated expertise cheaper / quicker than developing it initially in-house.

If they've been investing previously in Phase 1, maybe they already have their own "entry-level" MF camera using a combination of phase-one and Canon tech ready to release when they buy it fully  ;D. Maybe over time, they can indeed either make their own lenses or phase 1 sensors.

Not everything needs to be a perfect fit, be instantly "converted to Canon manufactured" or developed from scratch.

Two other observations... the low end of the market (the high vol side) is being impacted a lot. So is overall sales. Do you invest now in a market which is not going to be threatened by smartphones and the like, while you still have the cash reserves? I think Canon need to innovate in the entry level - I think like Tom Hogan says, it's about the ecosystem and opening it up so it is not a closed system. It's about inviting in the CHKD and ML teams by providing them with a nice API. It's about providing seamless interfacing with not just your phone, but if you pop in a sim like you can with a tablet, then you can do so much more from your camera and a touch screen (especially if you could interchange the sim with the one from your tablet).

It's about unleashing, not crippling your hardware so Canon gear's output quality is just a world away from smartphones in video and stills. Its about adding something like Android onto it, because then you really can add quite sophisticated sw to edit and do clever things on your camera with images.

Canon, Nikon etc need to play to the strengths of dslrs but also learn from smartphones and the like.

I'd love to be able to use my camera as a webcam - the quality would be awesome. Any chance of that Canon? uh-err. Hook two of them up to shoot 3D - stills or video? uh-err. All the innovation is in an open ecosystem, not a closed one.

Sorry, carried away and off thread. :-[

Buying Phase 1 is plausible. Taking Canon manufacturing and apply it to MF to bring it into the sub $10K for a 60MP beast of Phase-1 quality is achievable and would disrupt the market. But only if they're prepared to adopt a different lens mount. Lens range to cameras is like apps libraries to smartphones - starting from scratch does not accelerate market penetration and allows your competitors to react before you've captured the market...

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Agree with Distant Star


@GuyF - nope they stopped that a while back, but then you have to be pretty damned unlucky for an L to go wrong within a year, as I think that's all the warranty you get. Any UK company even if they import have to provide the warranty themselves e.g. ProCamera have to cover any faults...

There are some things I prefer to shop in person, predominantly where I do need to either try the goods for size, or get some understanding of the materials used, but eventually it will all go the same way. Where I used to live, there are just charity shops and coffee shops - it is sad to see people's lives affected through job losses...

@OP - use either Procamera or Hdew - they indeed take the hassle out of importing and it's easier to return to a company based in the UK if there are any problems....

Finally, looking at the Canadian price for the same lens, some £600 cheaper, if you were feeling adventurous you could fly to Canada off-season, pick up the lens and cover 1/4 your holiday cost  ;D

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Lenses / Re: Lee Filters for Wideangel
« on: July 15, 2013, 07:12:39 AM »
Just one addition, if you use the CPL from Lee with their filter adapter, then you get significant vignetting at about 19-20mm on a FF camera. To date, they alas have no solution  :(

Putting it before may work - I prefer the flexibility of the Lee method, with the aforementioned limitation - but just make sure you check if you go the "attach to lens" route as some of the CPL with threads can also cause vignetting

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Technical Support / Re: Hyperfocal Focusing Painlessly?
« on: June 29, 2013, 08:48:17 PM »
Use OptimumCS on the iphone, Liveview, Manual Focus and you should be good. OptimumCS calculates the minimum aperture required to get the close & far distances you plug into it, kind of like the Depth mode did on Canon Film cameras back in the day  :D

Liveview & manually focusing is how I prefer to focus on the position I'm provided and then you can do a quick preview on the first few to gain confidence in what you are doing....

Happy shooting - the colorado plateau is one of my all time favourite places for landscapes  :)


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EOS Bodies / Re: A Big Megapixel Discussion
« on: June 16, 2013, 05:45:24 AM »
Canon wanted to upgrade its glass before releasing the higher MP bodies, and now they have filled out some of the line (never going to keep everyone happy) then they have a complete env. for photographers. Releasing the body before releasing the better lenses doesn't make sense and I would guess does not need the same investment as a new sensor line. Investing in lenses means you get a better return as it appeals to all sorts of shooters, so you've got a larger addressable market than the high mp body will have

Meanwhile develop the next sensor tech to support them for perhaps the next 7 to 10 years (given previous cycles), and also watch and see how the market responds to the d800 - this in itself takes a reasonable time before you can reasonably assess the impact. And while you wait that new sensor tech is still useful for the whole of your product line.

It will be a pro body as I said earlier, and a body in between this and the 5d. Finally it will be in the 7d ii but perhaps a higher pixel density. Interesting times...
And the right   translation would mybe  be: Canon can not with its sensor technology increase the number of pixels without using the sensor line from the  compact sensor line , they can not use the old sensor lines as these are to course / rough. This means new sensors line which there are no indications that Canon have invest in, a investments of several billion dollars as for example Sony has done, or they can use the compact sensor line and stitch together an APS or 24x36mm sensor with a high cost
WE WILL soon  SE WHAT CANON HAVE IN THEIRS SLEAVES, the market outside Canon = Omnivision, Toshiba, Sony, Renesas, Aptina etc are not standing still in theirs own developments of new sensors tech from mobile sensors  up to 24x36mm sensors
When the annual meetings are  regarding  the new  sensor technology  Canon are not involved  in this  meetings, tell me what are the odds that at Canon would come with a new sensor technology before others as Toshiba, Panasonic, Sony etc?
Then they can say that they are improving the  lenses or what ever in the mean time.
Well I agree with the "maybe", as this is just guessing on all of our parts...  :D

But I was suggesting that there's more to development of a big MP camera than just the sensor, and given the amount of money involved, then it makes sense to develop the whole ecosystem and choosing where you get best return on your money, especially as new sensor tech as you state costs billions of dollars.

Everyone wants Canon need to do is improve their sensor tech - they know that, and they know that other companies aggressively develop their own further. But of those you mention, except for Sony, I don't believe the others make full cameras (so less revenue streams, more dependency on 1 line). Of course it means other (camera) companies can use their sensors, but again I'm reminded of Tom Hogan who when asked about the 1DX, 5D III, D4 and D800 essentially stated that you can take very good pictures with any of them.

Ultimately, as you say, we'll have to see what they release. But for me personally, it's still about the whole ecosystem (AF, Sensor, Ergonomics, Lens Range, Lens Quality, Build, SW Support). Your and other peoples' mileage may differ....

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EOS Bodies / Re: A Big Megapixel Discussion
« on: June 15, 2013, 10:46:08 AM »
Canon wanted to upgrade its glass before releasing the higher MP bodies, and now they have filled out some of the line (never going to keep everyone happy) then they have a complete env. for photographers. Releasing the body before releasing the better lenses doesn't make sense and I would guess does not need the same investment as a new sensor line. Investing in lenses means you get a better return as it appeals to all sorts of shooters, so you've got a larger addressable market than the high mp body will have

Meanwhile develop the next sensor tech to support them for perhaps the next 7 to 10 years (given previous cycles), and also watch and see how the market responds to the d800 - this in itself takes a reasonable time before you can reasonably assess the impact. And while you wait that new sensor tech is still useful for the whole of your product line.

It will be a pro body as I said earlier, and a body in between this and the 5d. Finally it will be in the 7d ii but perhaps a higher pixel density. Interesting times...

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EOS Bodies / Re: A Big Megapixel Discussion
« on: June 13, 2013, 12:18:35 PM »
The new MP camera will compete with the new D4x and will use the same sensor tech as the 7D mk ii but tweaked for the pro end. I'd love Canon to address low iso along with dr etc if they're aiming for landscape photographers

And I think they'll consider a body in between the 1d and 5d - the infamous 3D - to appeal to prosumers as this can be legitimately released without alienating 5d III owners...

Just my 2p :)

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Software & Accessories / Re: Adobe to Stop Making Packaged Software
« on: May 06, 2013, 08:16:51 PM »
on the current interview with Tom Hogerty via Engadget with Scott Kelby, where he mentions LR running on a tablet being in the works, I thought they mentioned a rental cost of 20 bucks per month for Photoshop - not sure if that included LR or not.

Given that an average Photoshop upgrade costs around 200 bucks / pounds, and comes out about every 18-24 months, then if they included LR into those costs, 20 dollars a month would not be completely out of sync, plus you get more regular updates on the programs.

Might not be soo bad if they can pitch the right pricing. Well, not too bad for anyone in North America :)

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Lenses / Re: Calumet 300mm & 400mm f/2.8 pricing
« on: March 29, 2013, 05:45:13 AM »
Just got the latest Calumet mag with the 300 & 400mm MkII lenses pricing is jaw dropping!
EF 300mm f/2.8 L IS II USM   Â£7499
EF 400mm f/2.8 L IS II USM   Â£11499

Not many enthusiast photographers going to be buying these, and as for pros well you'd need to making a substantial income to be able to justify either of these.

Those prices seem accurate. Same as B&H.

Canon has already sold a lot of those lens, but of course they are mainly aimed at pros, especially those that shoot sports.
For UK resellers as opposed to grey imports, I would recommend using camerapricebuster.co.uk

300mm f/2.8 mk II - £4999
400mm f/2.8 mk II - £8199

so Calumet appear to be indeed over inflating prices significantly.

If you don't mind the risk of grey import, then I just picked up the 300mm mk II (it's literally in transit) for £4577. If OP wants details look at my other posts or message me otherwise I sound like a sales person  :D

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Its about time Canon responded to the Nikon D800 and D800E. This fixation with high ISO, low DR, and high noise needs to stop. We need a quality camera to bring back the 1Ds range, a camera that is best in class.

For whatever reason Canon have been asleep at the wheel for a while now and its time they woke up. I have no wish for ISO extremes, nor do I shoot video at all, but I do shoot landscapes, so want a camera that has a minimum of noise and world beating DR. Maybe removal of the anti-aliassing filter?

It's a valid fixation.  There are many more sports and wedding photographers than landscape photographers.  Hence why Canon has dominated the market.

High ISO if clean is great for landscape shots when movement is not desirable - for instance freezing stars without wishing to get star trails. If you're taking shots from a moving plane, then faster speeds are essential (>1/1000th is ideal). Add in the desire to shoot in the golden hour, and suddenly higher iso is useful. Finally, as has been mentioned, not having to take a tripod everywhere opens up flexibility - although I appreciate that may be negated by the higher resolution.

1Dx bodies are also perhaps better in harsher conditions - be that cold, wet or sand, all often encountered by landscape photographers.

I thought as mentioned in other threads, Canon's latest L glass is not sensor limited. And certainly not by a 40MP sensor.

Finally, as also mentioned elsewhere, higher MP resolves the subject detail better.

Cropping is useful, even for landscapes, where you can't change your position or zoom - for a variety of reasons.

The simple conclusion is of course, everyone has different needs. And sure, eventually, Canon will try and satisfy them all, but they're never gonna keep everyone happy...

But then if they did, these forums would be a lot quieter  ;D

That's great!  However, it doesn't have anything to do with why Canon has neglected a high MP body.  The reason is plain and simple.  High ISO/high shutter/super AF goes to sports and wedding photogs.  Not landscape photogs.  Take all the shooters, especially pros.  What would you guess?  98% wedding/sports, 2% other?  That's all great that everyone has different needs, but is beside the point.

I don't think that's the whole story.  You can say that high MP/DR sensor is also for status symbol, bragging rights.  If you really want to be the market leader, you need to prove that you have the best or at least will compete with the best, no matter the arena.  Sometimes, it's all about reputation.  Yes, for most of us, that's not how we see it since some things are really trivial and there are other things that are more important but on the business side for Canon, there's a reputation they must maintain.

Reputation?  You mean the one they have supported by numbers, money, and sales?  Oh that one!

"If you really want to be the market leader..." you say.  Well, guess what.  They are!

You can never rest on your laurels... That's what I'm saying.  Clear?

No not really, but ok.  If you think producing a super high MP camera that only about 1-2% of the DSLR users will purchase is "stepping it up" then that's cool.  However, the majority of camera users are NOT asking for a high MP camera.  I think it will be produced in small quantities, be produced for a short time, and won't be updated for an even longer time after that.  Also, like the 1Ds Mark III, there won't be many units sold.  Look at the sales of 5D Mark II vs. 1Ds Mark III.  Even most of the pros I knew bought the 5D2 over the 1Ds 3.  Too pricy for not noticeable enough features over the other.

Guess I bucked that trend instead, bought my 1Ds MK III second hand and never looked back in comparison to the 5D II  :D

As for high MP - sure the market for MF style resolution is far lower than for "traditional resolution" dSLR, but again, I'd be interested to know how good / bad the D800 has sold for Nikon as this is perhaps the best barometer...

Given the sensor density for high MP is not significantly different from that of the current APS-C sensors, then frankly, why not? You get better resolving power and in a FF format

Again, everyone's mileage is different....

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Its about time Canon responded to the Nikon D800 and D800E. This fixation with high ISO, low DR, and high noise needs to stop. We need a quality camera to bring back the 1Ds range, a camera that is best in class.

For whatever reason Canon have been asleep at the wheel for a while now and its time they woke up. I have no wish for ISO extremes, nor do I shoot video at all, but I do shoot landscapes, so want a camera that has a minimum of noise and world beating DR. Maybe removal of the anti-aliassing filter?

It's a valid fixation.  There are many more sports and wedding photographers than landscape photographers.  Hence why Canon has dominated the market.

High ISO if clean is great for landscape shots when movement is not desirable - for instance freezing stars without wishing to get star trails. If you're taking shots from a moving plane, then faster speeds are essential (>1/1000th is ideal). Add in the desire to shoot in the golden hour, and suddenly higher iso is useful. Finally, as has been mentioned, not having to take a tripod everywhere opens up flexibility - although I appreciate that may be negated by the higher resolution.

1Dx bodies are also perhaps better in harsher conditions - be that cold, wet or sand, all often encountered by landscape photographers.

I thought as mentioned in other threads, Canon's latest L glass is not sensor limited. And certainly not by a 40MP sensor.

Finally, as also mentioned elsewhere, higher MP resolves the subject detail better.

Cropping is useful, even for landscapes, where you can't change your position or zoom - for a variety of reasons.

The simple conclusion is of course, everyone has different needs. And sure, eventually, Canon will try and satisfy them all, but they're never gonna keep everyone happy...

But then if they did, these forums would be a lot quieter  ;D

That's great!  However, it doesn't have anything to do with why Canon has neglected a high MP body.  The reason is plain and simple.  High ISO/high shutter/super AF goes to sports and wedding photogs.  Not landscape photogs.  Take all the shooters, especially pros.  What would you guess?  98% wedding/sports, 2% other?  That's all great that everyone has different needs, but is beside the point.

Sorry, I appreciate for you, High ISO / High shutter may not be a requirement for your style of landscape photography, but for me, as I tried to outline, it does have benefits from time to time. So that is *exactly* why I said everyone has different needs. Perhaps you might respect that others are not like you....

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