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EOS Bodies / Re: Update on the EOS 7D Mark II Spec List
« on: August 23, 2014, 09:01:26 PM »
In Germany a lot of professional photographers Change to Sony

In Podunk, Michigan a lot of professional photographers have switched to watercolors and canvas.  I expect that'll have about the same impact on Canon's market share.

ROFLMAO  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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EOS Bodies / Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« on: August 23, 2014, 08:50:29 PM »
I think a lot sports photographers are taking pictures and focusing on the sport. Big agencies have runners who grab the cards, while the photographer flips to the other card and continues. Transferring GB of data over wifi? I doubt this would be quicker for the qty that a Pro photographer shoots....

That may be true for the few at the upper end of the profession but the pros I've met are paid garbage and often do it as a second job or as part of other journalistic duties.  They certainly don't have assistants at beck and call. Transferring an entire card's worth of data?  Probably not a good idea, no, but that one rad shot/series of that amazing play?  Sure, preview shot->upload to editing desk->publish->done.  That would be amazing and in this day and age its gonna start being a lot more common. 

My question, that I've asked others and still haven't got an answer to, is why should wifi be specifically excluded? It would cost nothing to the end user and it would have use to some percentage of photographers.  In fact, a well implemented, fully integrated wifi would be a godsend for many.  The opposition just sounds, to me, like curmudgeonly old men complaining about kids these days with their idroids and googlefaces.

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It's going to be a mini 1DX with extra reach, but not as good high iso quality and not the same frame rate, otherwise it eats too much into the high end range. That for me is sound economics, not so much marketing.

e: I keep seeing people say that they understand Canon purposely limiting the burst rate because of marketing.  So, another question:  who here that owns a 1DX would sell it off for a 7DII, spec'd as listed, if it shot 12fps and pocket the extra cash?  Who here would purchase a 7DII, spec'd as listed, that shot 12fps over a 1DX if money were not the limiting factor?  I sure as heck wouldn't!

How many Pro's want a 2nd body when they do events? Heck, I'm not a pro, but I take 2 bodies everywhere I go. Now, if you can get a cheap variant which will do 90% of your Pro body, would you? What about if it only did 50%?

If you were looking into becoming a Pro, which would you buy?  The MK II or the 1DX? And surely value for money is an important factor for most Pro's - whatever the invest they need to recoup, so money is rarely no object.

If you could afford a 60K Porsche, and then they bought out a better spec'd model for 30K, just how ecstatic would you be?

Sometime cannibalization of your high end kit works. Again, I'd like to think that Canon know their audience (1DX owners) better than we do, and therefore what their reaction would be like.

Back to the wifi - I've not seen the implementation in the 6D or other Canons personally but I thought the implementation was not so clever (in terms of the SW). Canon, Nikon and others are indeed poor when it comes to an integrated system and understanding the benefits of good workflow and expandability. Another reason why smartphones are so popular. And I don't think they should go away and do their own thing, i think integration into smartphones is easiest - be part of that ecosystem, allow simple transfer so the phone can edit and publish. I think trying to get your dSLR to log in with credentials to your blog or website, name it something, allow you to put some caption and then make it ready for publication is just too much right now. In fact I think that boat has gone. No, integrate with your phone, hence why maybe BT would be better in that respect.

Would I like wifi in every Canon body & GPS? Yes please. Until then I use a camranger and either Iphone gps logging or an external GPS. I previously used eye-fi for the same purpose.


@Jrista - you shoot with a 7D. You've shown that you can take good pictures with it. I get your frustration with Canon's release schedule. Who knows the exact reason. But as a complete solution, if you can get better elsewhere then you would have moved. Is a 70D sensor really that bad? Based on it's target market, I think the MK II will do well. Even with a tweaked 70D sensor.


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EOS Bodies / Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« on: August 23, 2014, 08:29:52 PM »
Too many replies for me to browse through.  I just registered in order to comment.

Very simple:  If these are truly the Specs, then this camera should have been released 2 years ago.  Why the secrecy for such Specs?

Nowadays I shoot mostly birds and use ONLY the centre focusing point.  My main upgrade requirement would be for more pixels to define the tiny subjects.  Second upgrade requirement would be faster focusing speed.  Subjects are extremely flighty.

I broke my 7D to unrepairable condition and ignored the service department's offer to allow me to purchase a replacement body for a price greater than local stores were charging.  Instead I purchased a 70D and it gives me more pixels on the subjects and focuses faster than the 7D.  One feature I would like is GPS.  If there isn't a built-in GPS, then I shall not purchase an add-on, but instead do a time-synch to a portable GPS and use Lightroom's feature to add GPS data to Exif data.

A camera with these Specs just is insufficient to bother with an "upgrade".  Very disappointing.  I may pick up a Nikon 7100 and obtain lens conversions for the long lens.

I think the DPAF feature took a while to develop....

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EOS Bodies / Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« on: August 23, 2014, 09:36:14 AM »
This camera screams "Mini 1DX". And if I was a sports shooter, I'd be very excited about it.

It's fast. Possibly only second to the 1DX in AF. Dual Digic 6. Excellent build quality.

I agree with the keeping shutter speeds above 10fps for premium cameras. That's a total marketing reason. As is the lack of built-in WiFi. The only reason for an SD slot is a WiFi card. And if you can fit an add-on WiFi card into the camera, it's about half the space and less to build it in. Again, it's a marketing reason. If you had dual CF, WiFi and 10fps+, it would seriously eat into 1DX sales....

If I were an aspiring sports photographer, I'd be very excited by this camera. And for sports photography, the absolute latest and greatest sensor shouldn't be highest on your list. Speed, AF THEN super colors. I've done plenty of action photography on my lowly 50D and as long as you have good glass and you have decent light, colors are fantastic.

For wildlife photography, I think the 'Fine Detail' bit was for you folks. The sensor might be tweaked a little to get a bit more detail in your images.

If this camera is in the $2000 - $2500, I think it's going to sell extremely well for years to come.

It's going to be a mini 1DX with extra reach, but not as good high iso quality and not the same frame rate, otherwise it eats too much into the high end range. That for me is sound economics, not so much marketing.

I agree with you, this camera will sell, like the MK III. I think Canon understands it's target market far better than most of the people here...

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EOS Bodies / Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« on: August 23, 2014, 09:33:01 AM »
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If this turns out to be the same old sensor technology, good luck to Canon, because all other manufacturers aren't setting on their asses or resting on their laurels...


what some people don´t realize is, that the majority of customers does not seem to care about who has the best sensor or how much you can push the shadows.

only the minority of geeks on forums like this care about sensor performance.
there are millions of canon users out there.. how many member has this forum?

otherwise you can´t explain the business numbers of sony, nikon and canon.

http://petapixel.com/2014/05/18/nikons-financial-woes-relentless-prompt-restructuring/

http://nikonrumors.com/2014/08/09/nikon-cuts-yearly-forecasts-after-reporting-lower-sales-and-income-in-first-quarter.aspx/

canons camera sector suffers from the market situation too.
but for nikon it really looks bad. despite all the geek world praises their better sony sensors.

and i bet the 7D MK2 even when it comes with a dissapointing sensor.. will not change that. it will sell well compared to the competition.

from the eight 7D owners i know only 2 use RAW. all other shoot JPG.
and they don´t care much about post processing.

they have jobs and don´t want to spend 80% of their free time on internet forums arguing about nonsense or editing images.  ;)

i guess that´s the reality out there....

+1

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EOS Bodies / Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« on: August 23, 2014, 09:32:20 AM »
Resolution aside, I think the specs make sense.  I find it hard to believe that some would be "meh" about a camera with 65 all cross-type AF system!  That is huge! 

The 10fps is awesome.  Not quite as awesome as the rumoured 12fps, but still superb.  I wonder if the dichotomy relates to a latent engineering capability in the camera?  It's possible they engineered the thing to achieve 12fps, then firmware limited it to 10.  Then if a competitor starts to close in on or exceed it's frame rate, voila--a firmware update brings you to 12fps (or faster).  :o

It's not about marketing, it's about economics. And not alienating those Pro's buying your top end kit.

Ditto 4K...

Sony already dropped a crop camera with 79pt AF system (granted, not all cross-type, but still excellent by all accounts), 12fps burst, and a better sensor earlier this year for less than $1700.  There is no reason that Canon should be falling behind Sony of all companies.  As others have said, this is basically the bare minimum that Canon could come out with as an update to the 5 year old 7D and its really just iterative and not revolutionary.  It will really depend on the asking price whether this is a good camera or not.  At $1500 this will be fantastic.  At >$2000, not so much.

I was kind of hoping that Canon would have built a 7DII that would make me seriously think about upgrading from my 1DIV but this spec list, if true, isn't really tempting me.  Also, I'm pretty amused at all the people on this forum who have said that marketing guys have no sway over the engineering department now sagely acknowledging that they are probably purposefully gimping frame rate purely for marketing reasons.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« on: August 23, 2014, 09:31:29 AM »
Straight from the camera?  You want to run lightroom on a 3.2 inch screen?

Most sports togs run everything through a laptop, and most of the software isn't adobe.  And laptops have usb ports for cards and wifi chips.

Do they carry their laptops on the sidelines, pull their cards and upload in between plays?  Because, personally, I think it would be pretty rad to have the ability to tap a menu item on the display and have that upload a photo/photos to a laptop or straight to the editing desk rather than waiting for a timeout to rush back to the computer, pull the card, copy the files and then upload to the editing desk and risk missing action. 

I'd pay less for a good camera that just takes photos thanks.

This is just absurd.  How much of the cost of any modern electronic device is tied up in wifi in this The Year of Our Lord Two Thousand and Fourteen?  Please.

No. They either pay extra for the wifi add-on that a lot of folk don't want, or they do it at half time / full time.

I think a lot sports photographers are taking pictures and focusing on the sport. Big agencies have runners who grab the cards, while the photographer flips to the other card and continues. Transferring GB of data over wifi? I doubt this would be quicker for the qty that a Pro photographer shoots....

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EOS Bodies / Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« on: August 23, 2014, 09:29:04 AM »
Does make you wonder though, if these end up being the final specs, why didn't they bang out a 7D replacement right after the 70D was announced? Why did we have to wait (still waiting) for a 2fps bump from the previous model and what seems like the exact same sensor from the 70D? There is nothing groundbreaking here, which is prob the reason a lot of people are feeling a bit peeved. It's the lowest end of what we expected. The bare minimum. Still, it'll more than likely be an awesome camera for sports and wildlife.

But will it still be awesome in 5 years time??  ???

Maybe the JapaneseCanonfangirlsPost had it right:
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Information from Japanese Canon fan girls, who are working @Canon:

Information about the successor of the 7D and the 5DIII are under total NDA. And total means total. There is just an small circle of engeneers and managers who know all of these Cameras. Others are just working on fragments of this Cameras to avoid leaks. If anyone says, he knows details on these products, he is not telling the truth.
In earlier times print jobs for tranportation and manuals were given to the printeries weeks before announcement. This time, there ist still just printing time reservated. No files have been sent to them (status from 08/12).


Canon is still thinking that they do not have to produce the best and most innovative products in the low and mid price segments. Sales figures show that the market analysts are right. Canon is still the best power seller on the market. And the analysts know that in future time, the market wil not grow and other brands are coming in. Sony will be very active, maybe an 5DIII and 1DX mirrorless competitor is coming in the near future.
The slow reaction on the D7100 and the still "no reaction" on the excellent D800/810 is well calculated. No need to hurry, Canon products are still sold well. There are not many persons switching to Nikon, because the majority of Canonians will not be able to spend a lot of money on new expensive lenses. The average Canon customer will be satisfied by new Canon products, even if other brands will produce superior products.


And the rumored prices of the 7D successor are just rumors. Some Canon fans in Japan think that there will be an hefty price increase on Canon products on coming products. Analysts say, that customers are willed to pay the increase. The increasing number of tests and scores, where Canon products are often just a few points /percents better than e.g. third party lenses, will prompt the average (and scores fixed) Canon fan to buy this "bettert product".

If you can see that in their pictures? I do not know."

Kind of sad if the once glorious Canon has sunken to such lines of thinking.

Isn't it all about investing your money wisely, especially after the global economic downturn?

Why are mobile phones killing compact cameras? Because you always have them and the quality is good enough for most people.

Canon need to differentiate and show the benefits of an slr - but investing huge amounts if the average punter does not have huge amounts of disposable income, nor appreciates the differences, is fairly silly.

It's about economics, not marketing, and if the analysts conclude Canon are doing it right in terms of keeping their revenues, then that's good for us.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« on: August 23, 2014, 08:49:43 AM »
Sure but a 20MP vs a 24MP is 10% difference on X and Y axis approximately. Are Canon that much behind the competition?

No they are not. Not too long ago I spent an unreasonable amount of time comparing files from the Sony A7 (24 MP AA filter) to the A7R (36 MP no AA filter). I always resized the 24 MP file to 36 MP with very light sharpening (scaling tends to soften) so that size (and therefore magnification) differences didn't affect my judgement.

You're looking at a nearly 25% axis gain in this comparison vs. 10% for the APS-C sensors.

My conclusion? Occasionally an area of very, very fine detail would be rendered better on the 36 MP sensor. This would be visible while pixel peeping but never in print.

I came to a similar conclusion when I mixed in 5D3 files, though the 5D3 file must be RAW. The JPEGs fell behind. Also, when converting the 5D3 file you have to be a bit more aggressive with the detail and sharpening settings. The Sony sensors would handle heavy processing a bit better because of this.

At the resolutions we're dealing with today I would say you need a 50% gain on each axis before differences become visible in print, all other differences (i.e. sensor size) being equal.

Erm, yes they are... the OP was complaining about a 2MP hike in comparison to the current 7D. Current APS-C is around 24MP and the difference is about 10% per axis (cf 20MP). I was indeed saying the same as you - there has to be a significant gap in MP before for you to notice. So 20 / 24MP gap, really not that much...

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EOS Bodies / Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« on: August 22, 2014, 05:41:35 PM »
the 7D MK II will have continuous AF like camcorders. It's not necessarily required on their higher end cine slrs, and it's the reason the # AF points has increased. Does that not align with the new video features and is a result of the new sensor features. That would put it ahead of everything else?
The number of focus points refers to the amount found on the AF chip, which is completely bypassed when the mirror is up for videoing. That's where DPAF comes in, which has substantially more than 65 AF points - 20.2 million to be precise. There is no increase in numbers here over the 70D. Processing power is the big sticking point, and that's where the 7D mk II could gain.

65 AF points, all cross type, is a big gain for any situation where the mirror is down.

Good point, well made  :(
Still think it will have continuous AF for video  ;D

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EOS Bodies / Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« on: August 22, 2014, 05:40:02 PM »
5 years for a 2 megapixel bump?????? >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Thanks for nothing Canon

Sure but a 20MP vs a 24MP is 10% difference on X and Y axis approximately. Are Canon that much behind the competition? I appreciate it would be nice and in terms of those who want the bragging and don't realise then sure Canon are missing out.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« on: August 22, 2014, 05:31:46 PM »
the 7D MK II will have continuous AF like camcorders. It's not necessarily required on their higher end cine slrs, and it's the reason the # AF points has increased. Does that not align with the new video features and is a result of the new sensor features. That would put it ahead of everything else?

It will appeal to sports / wildlife also, based on the specs.

I still recall a comment made by Thom Hogan and others. If you can't take a decent shot with the current cameras available from Canon and Nikon, then it's not the camera at fault. It seems that a lot of people are expecting huge changes for a camera with a designated target market that does not require those things.

It won't need huge DR, as has been discussed elsewhere. And even if the sensor does not improve order of magnitude, will it not still take good pictures and therefore sell? Why has the 7D sold so well, and what in the MK II will not re-enforce it?

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Canon does not let customers talk with their technicians, so that is no surprise.  The tech should have got your note though, something is wrong.

They do in the UK - I always get to talk to the technicians. I've even had a long discussion in their reception where there was definitely an incompatibility between the 600 MK II I had purchased (from Canada) and the 1DX - it never focused correctly at infinity but CPS could not find a problem. v2.0.3 of the firmware fixed it.

I agree with the advice to write to them formally, and I would be interested to hear if / how they reply.

For me, sharing experiences like this, especially using Focal to check lenses, is what makes Canon Rumors useful. I'm sorry for your problems, R1-7D, thank you for posting.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D3 No Longer in Production
« on: August 17, 2014, 04:44:59 AM »
March 2012 the MK III shipped, so Q1 next year is definitely a possibility unless Canon want to grab the Xmas sales. I'd doubt they would go out of stock however in August unless there's a lot to clear...

If the sensor is that much better on the 7D MK II, eclipsing the MK III and 1DX, then I can see launches in the first half of next year. Bearing in mind how much money Canon make from the MK III and the rumoured release of a new FF nikon at Photokina which I think will directly compete with the MK III (not like the D810), then I think Canon releasing a replacement in 2015 is not so far fetched....

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Photography Technique / Re: 46 Photography eBooks You Can Have for Free
« on: August 17, 2014, 04:38:30 AM »
Thanks for posting, just grabbing some of them now. I definitely know Darwin Wiggett so I'm sure there'll be some good reads. Thank you

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