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EOS Bodies / Re: February & March are Announcement Months for Canon [CR2]
« on: November 19, 2012, 02:06:40 PM »
Without understanding too much of tech here, if that is the case with the 6D, a next 5D could be fully equipped with 180nm sensors. Which would yield more than an incremental upgrade, right?

Right. This should not prevent you from enjoying your (excellent) 5DIII, though :P.

You bet I do! I try out all the ISOs as high as 102k. Well, if I go for another 5D body by skipping the next, I just hope it gets about the same 51k ISOs as the 25k are looking now. As I really like to take photographs of a black cat in the dark ;-) Won't replace it with the next cycle I guess. It is plenty of camera for an amateur like me. According to my frames per year my 5D3 shutter is good for about 15 years;-) So, what I am hoping for is some real improvement in ultra high ISO IQ within the next eight years...thanks to the real tech cracks here I know it takes quite some time, as we are getting to the limits if not some like this fancy new sensor tech really changes the scene. This is holding me back quite a bit from dreaming about ISO 204k photographs in 5D3 51k quality. In upcoming 5D bodies I would love to see 51k as native ISOs. So one could easily try out the 36k range instead of a one step boost up to 51k.

EOS Bodies / Re: February & March are Announcement Months for Canon [CR2]
« on: November 19, 2012, 04:07:52 AM »

Based on the available info, though, I'd say that the 6D will end up having better image quality than the 5DIII.
Note that the rumors floating around are saying that only parts of the 6D sensor are made on 180nm.
So, the 6D sensor is essentially a 180nm/500nm hybrid.

The question is, are the new APS-C sensors from Canon going to be fully made on 180nm?
If they are 180nm/500nm hybrids, performance might not be all that different from current sensors.
But if they are fully made on 180nm, they are certainly going to match/beat the current 16mp Sony sensors.
Without understanding too much of tech here, if that is the case with the 6D, a next 5D could be fully equipped with 180nm sensors. Which would yield more than an incremental upgrade, right? So if the thesis is right, even the next 5D might be called a dream cam again. I am currently in my 5D3 learning curve and the cam is fantastic. First time in 30 years I am back to fullframe again, and it reall rocks!


EOS Bodies / Re: February & March are Announcement Months for Canon [CR2]
« on: November 18, 2012, 03:34:34 PM »

as for lenses

14-24 is long overdue, new 50 1.4 to fix the finicky af mechanism.  I thought the 35L needed upgrading, but now that I own it, it's stellar as is.  I'm not interested in a mirroless camera unless it's FF ILC with acceptable af performance.  The first company to produce it will get my money.  A 7DII for action and a compact FF mirrorless for everything else would be my perfect combo.
I have plenty of camera with my 5D3 purchased by the end of August. A 14-24 (2.0 ?) would be a great addition to it.

Pricewatch Deals / Re: Sigma 35 f/1.4 Available for Preorder
« on: November 09, 2012, 03:55:34 AM »
Okay, fine to have a fast third party prime updated....But I'm wating on a 12-24 f2.8 by Canon... A although I am a happy 5D3 camper, wish they would come out with such a lens along with the rumored high MP landscape body! Fall 2013? Early 2014? You've read it here first  8)

Lenses / Re: Thinking about a 17-40 f4L USM. Thoughts?
« on: November 03, 2012, 05:21:18 AM »
I've heard lots of good comments about the 17-40. I had it on my radar as a combo with my 5D3.

But I kinda hold back now. As I do quite some nightsky/nightscape photography avoiding the star trails, exposure values get a bit short compared to my 28 2.8 non IS. Applying 600 rule with longest reach of 40 as divisor I get only 15 seconds out of it.

OTOH I struggle buying a Samyang 14mm 2.8 for just that photographical area.

Sorry for bringing that up again, but I strongly hope Canon will come out with a 2.8 12/14-24 within my camera's body cylce at a "reasonable" price. There is a third party lens outthere (Sigma) but the bulb design of the lens is not very handy for my purposes. As I am using strong ND filters while taking daylight longexposures of seacapes or lakes.  Or are they forced to design it in that certain manner at this range?

Well, that's my two cents...

Pricewatch Deals / Re: Canon EF 500 f/4L IS II in Stock at Norman Camera
« on: November 02, 2012, 10:10:25 AM »
Mine has finally arrived at Dale Photographic in the UK and will be with me tomorrow. My misery is at an end! Bloody thing better be good, its cleared out my bank account. Luckily, i have separate bank account to my wife. Sneeky but a great way to hide your ill gotton gains. And shes no good at maths hasnt got a clue what lens's cost and doesnt know what i earn. Sweet!

Is that a joke? I hope it is kind of bizarre humor. Although I never have the money for such a purchase, I guess I wouldn't do that to my wife. 10.000 bucks take me halfway round the world...WITH her. The other one I'm struggling with: I always thought marriage is based on trust and mutual respect.

Pricewatch Deals / Re: Canon EF 500 f/4L IS II in Stock at Norman Camera
« on: October 31, 2012, 10:43:48 AM »
I'm going to get this when they kit it with the next Rebel.
good one!

Pricewatch Deals / Re: Canon EF 500 f/4L IS II in Stock at Norman Camera
« on: October 31, 2012, 10:42:42 AM »
Well, I will wait for the price to come down. Have been an "early" adopter of the 5D3 (August 26) although I don't regret that...so next year maybe ;-))) Nope, joke only. Not my money wallet's size at all ;-)

Lenses / Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS [CR1]
« on: October 29, 2012, 11:18:28 AM »
If it really appears, will it have...
1. IQ of 24-70 2.8 II and  price over 3k$
2. IQ of 24-70 2.8 I and price over 2.5k$
3. IQ better than 24-70 2.8 II and price over 3.5k$
If I am right on this one, IS today is a much required element due to the whole movie stuff. Well, still hope that there will be a 12-24/14-24 f2.8 NON IS by Canon sometime in the next two to three years....Although, non IS seems as unlikely as the rumored lens (wishful thinking?) itself...And 1.8k might not be enough for purchase once it is announced...;-)
Cheers, Pedro

@Daniel Flather: this is a good one! ;-)
@Drizzt321: Thanks. I know it is a difficult question, I just wondered what  might come according to your ideas....

Hi all,

I bought my 5D3 by the end of August still at a premium from a reatailer nearby.  While I am using it at every possible high ISO including 51k and 102k for b/w I just like to ask the experts here, what can be expected in high ISO IQ and sensor tech by the time the overnext 5D (whatever it will be called)
hits the shelves?

Is it likely to make ISO 51 k look like today's ISO 12800 or 25600? this would be like one or two stops better high ISOs.

Cheers, Pedro

I really like the 5D3, here's a nightscape at ISO 10.000 (slight NR)


Hey gang,

I'm shooting handheld indoors without flash with my 5D3 all the time these days, it seems.  Shame on me, I know, but these are often social / performance events where the flash would not be welcomed.

In these situations, I leave the zooms at home and shoot either my trusty 50/1.4 or the surprisingly good new 28/2.8 IS.  To avoid wide open softness, I am pushing ISO into 3200-6400 levels to allow either lens to be stopped down a bit.  I won't lie that I push ISO even beyond 6400 periodically.

I am shooting RAW in these situations with the High ISO NR turned off as it seems to do nothing to RAW files (I presume it's a JPG-only feature?).

I generally prefer capturing sharpness + detail with noise than softening up the image by cranking up the noise reduction.  That said, if I can chase the noise intelligently without much detail being sacrificed, I'd love to hear how.

Can folks on this fine forum please give advice on:

1) Best RAW processing parameters to managing noise in Camera RAW.  I get lost on the five noise reduction sliders (Luminance, L Detail, L Contrast, Color and Color Detail) -- so pointers on which to use and when would be terrific.

2) Are there other settings in camera that are recommended for shooting in these indoor/handheld/low-light situations?

3) Is Camera RAW is the best tool for noise reduction work?  Should I use another RAW handler?  Does saving noise work for Photoshop to manage a better path to take?  Advice appreciated!

Thanks for your help!

I can comfortably shoot ISO 12,800 Color Images and 25,600 B&W's on my 5D3. 51,200 B&W's if needed.

I use LR4 and its Noise Reduction software. I generally apply color NR until its gone, and enough Luminance NR to lower the grain, Not to remove it. (which can be done to smooth-en portraits if needed.)

You can Use the Median Distort tool in Photoshop and selectively remove noise from an image. Its usually not needed.

The best thing for noise is to nail your exposure. I've gotten Usable ISO 3200 Files from a 5Dc because I nailed the exposure.
ISO 51k bw. +1
So amazing...some NR and that's it.
Depending on one's taste, up to ISO 25k in color...

Lenses / Re: Canon Announcements Next Week? [CR1]
« on: October 17, 2012, 05:51:22 PM »
As we are talking about 2013: A 12/14-24 f2.8 by Q4 (November) ?  8)

Just struggled this monday night with the 5D3 due to non red AF points while doing moonless nightscapes.
Darkest night. Distant lights. My trusty old  30 D always locked on without having any trouble...hmmm.
Can't be an 1DX update only. Too many wedding togs outthere. Not me, but you have my vote, gentlemen!

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