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Lenses / Re: Introducing the Canon EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS II
« on: November 08, 2014, 03:40:04 PM »
I said it many years ago, but I'll repeat it here.

The 7D2 + 100-400L II + 1.4x TC is pretty much the ultimate in handholdable reach.  Assuming it's as good as it should be, and that it works with the 1.4x, as it should.

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Lenses / Re: Introducing the Canon EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS II
« on: November 08, 2014, 03:36:21 PM »
No mention of TC compatibility, but I'm guessing the Canon TCs will mount and work.

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Lenses / Re: Introducing the Canon EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS II
« on: November 08, 2014, 03:35:13 PM »
$2,200.  I'll stand by my prediction that it will be available for under $2,000 at some point during the first year.  I'd love it to be $1,100, but this is reasonable from Canon.

My opinion on the 400/5.6L IS - there's no need.  This lens will likely be the 400/5.6L IS.  It should have just as good of optics, it's not too heavy, and it's not really any more expensive than a 400/5.6L IS would be.  If you want a 400/5.6L IS, buy this lens and tighten the zoom friction with the lens at the long end.

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Lenses / Re: First Image of the EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS II Lens
« on: November 07, 2014, 12:54:25 PM »
I'd be interested to see a comparison when these are out.

100-400L II at 400mm and f/5.6 upresed 50% compared to Tamron 150-600 at 600mm and f/6.3.
100-400L II + 1.4x TC III at 560mm and f/8 compared to Tamron 150-600 at 600mm and f/8.

My prediction as that both would be a near tie, except the Canon will have less CA and faster focusing on the first test.

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Lenses / Re: First Image of the EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS II Lens
« on: November 06, 2014, 11:02:03 PM »
As hypothesized above, it looks like it's capable of being operated as a twist zoom or a push pull.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Focus problems with the Canon 7DII?
« on: November 06, 2014, 07:38:19 PM »
When all points are selected, it's going to try to focus on the closest object - the fork in her right hand.

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Lenses / Re: First Image of the EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS II Lens
« on: November 06, 2014, 12:48:23 PM »
you're really not comparing this to the 200-400/4 are you? o.O

Why not?  It's only one stop of difference.  The 100-400 has the 100-200 range while the 200-400 has the built-in TC.  I'd bet the optics are similar and that it would be really hard to tell the difference between them at the same focal length.

I'd say "it's a WHOLE stop of difference". Night and day in those focal lengths. Compare 300/2.8 and 300/4 or 200/2 and 200/2.8 - there is also "only" one stop difference, yet there is quite surprising PRICE difference :)

Yes, and that's one reason I find Canon superteles so hugely overpriced.

Compare a 70-200/4L IS and a 70-200/2.8L IS and you'll see a difference that I think is much more justified than the difference between a 300/4L IS and a 300/2.8L IS or a 100-400L IS and a 200-400/4L IS.

A lot of that price difference has to do with the size of the optics.  It costs much more than 2X the $ to make a lens that is 2x the diameter.  You have a much greater volume of high quality lens glass and a much longer time of grinding it to tolerance.

The rule-of-thumb is cubic with diameter.

So, a 300/2.8 is just short of 3 times as expensive as a 300/4.  But that's just for the front elements.  The rear elements and the rest of the lens are close to the same.

So, I think the 300/2.8 should be about 1.5x-2x as expensive as a similarly high-quality 300/4 or 200/2.8 (about the same size).  And that's just about what the old one was.  When I was considering it, the 70-200/2.8L IS was $1,700 and the 300/2.8L IS was $3,600.  Now, Canon is off in la-la-land.

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Lenses / Re: First Image of the EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS II Lens
« on: November 06, 2014, 11:56:49 AM »
you're really not comparing this to the 200-400/4 are you? o.O

Why not?  It's only one stop of difference.  The 100-400 has the 100-200 range while the 200-400 has the built-in TC.  I'd bet the optics are similar and that it would be really hard to tell the difference between them at the same focal length.

I'd say "it's a WHOLE stop of difference". Night and day in those focal lengths. Compare 300/2.8 and 300/4 or 200/2 and 200/2.8 - there is also "only" one stop difference, yet there is quite surprising PRICE difference :)

Yes, and that's one reason I find Canon superteles so hugely overpriced.

Compare a 70-200/4L IS and a 70-200/2.8L IS and you'll see a difference that I think is much more justified than the difference between a 300/4L IS and a 300/2.8L IS or a 100-400L IS and a 200-400/4L IS.

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EOS Bodies / Re: The 7D2 gets pooped on by DXO... to no one's surprise.
« on: November 06, 2014, 11:19:36 AM »
Just to put the record strait, for everyone reading Neuro's post, at least in regards to myself. I care about sensor IQ as a whole, not just low ISO, not just high ISO, not just one thing or another. I care about it overall, top to bottom, and I see sensor IQ as the one single area  that Canon could, if they would invest the resources, realize very significant gains.

Significant gains would be nice, but it's not like they're way behind as many people (including DxO) thinks they are.  Read what I wrote above.

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=23547.msg459899#msg459899

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Lenses / Re: First Image of the EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS II Lens
« on: November 06, 2014, 11:16:03 AM »
you're really not comparing this to the 200-400/4 are you? o.O

Why not?  It's only one stop of difference.  The 100-400 has the 100-200 range while the 200-400 has the built-in TC.  I'd bet the optics are similar and that it would be really hard to tell the difference between them at the same focal length.

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Lenses / Re: First Image of the EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS II Lens
« on: November 06, 2014, 10:51:46 AM »
I think its fake. No point for smooth/tight ring on zoom ring lens.

Both of the new Sigma 150-600s are twist-zooms and have zoom lock switches.

http://vimeo.com/107165203

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Lenses / Re: First Image of the EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS II Lens
« on: November 06, 2014, 10:45:59 AM »
   Show of hands, how many people would buy this at either of those prices over a 70-200 IS2 plus a 2.0 EX III?  That's a far more versatile combination for the price even considering the larger size.  Thoughts?

Probably all the wildlife photographers who want to throw a 2.0 EX on the 100-400.    Which is the real question -- does the new 100-400 have better optical quality and can it handle extenders better than the old one (which goes super soft even with a 1.4 extender).

No it doesn't.  This is with a 2x on an 18MP 1.6-crop body.  To be clear, I'm no fan of the old one, but with the right settings, the optics are pretty solid (and with the wrong ones, they are pretty terrible).


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Lenses / Re: First Image of the EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS II Lens
« on: November 06, 2014, 10:38:58 AM »
All due respect to some folks, but I think some of these price guesses are going way too high. This lens is not going to priced north of the 70-200 IS Mk II, which is now $2299.  Remember a few months ago tons of people were speculating on a $2500 7D2.  and out came $1799.  This lens will be $1999ish or the same price as the 70-200 IS2 is now.  $2500 or $3k for this would be corporate suicide.  Show of hands, how many people would buy this at either of those prices over a 70-200 IS2 plus a 2.0 EX III?  That's a far more versatile combination for the price even considering the larger size.  Thoughts?

My though is that it'll come out high to get some extra cash from early adopters that are willing to pay more, and quickly fall below $2k during the first year.

Of course, I have absolutely no real information, just speculation.

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Lenses / Re: First Image of the EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS II Lens
« on: November 06, 2014, 10:11:43 AM »
I hate the inner pinch lens caps ...

Why? They still retain the outer pinch capabilities of the old-style caps.

Here's why I don't like them.

When I reach inside a hood to remove the lens cap, and the cap is already in my pocket (this happens sometimes), if I'm reaching for a center pinch cap, I smear my greasy fingers on the front element of the lens.  When I'm reaching for the edge of a standard cap, I just touch the metal edge of the lens and don't goober up the front element.  I also find the regular ones easier to remove with just one finger and easier to remove with gloves on.  The new ones, while you can remove them from the edge, they are stiffer and harder to remove without squeezing the center.

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Lenses / Re: First Image of the EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS II Lens
« on: November 06, 2014, 09:07:05 AM »
Am I missing something, or does just the foot of the tripod ring come off?  Looks like the ring itself is permanent to me.

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