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I'm curious...what is disturbing about the way the results are presented?  Are you equally 'disturbed' by their presentation of the results that show 14.4 stops of DR for the D800?  ::)

I would think that what he finds disturbing is the fact that DXO rate the D800 sensor much higher than the 5D, but then say;

" 'half a mo, when we put a lens on it we're not so sure"....... ::) ::)

+1  ;D ;D ;D

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Site Information / Re: Love or Hate Canon Rumors Forum
« on: April 05, 2013, 06:59:12 AM »
I have to agree with you. Myself as a self taught picture taker has learened a lot from here. There was one point that you listed in the negative column that has bugged me for a while:

2) A handful of obsessive individuals who hijack nearly every thread and repeat the same points over and over again, arguing over obscure issues that have nothing to do with the original subject.

Dylyan777, if you read this, I get it, you have an awesome setup but quit hijacking every thread to say that people should have what you have. Your setup is what I want but we are not all prepared to drop $10k+ for family pictures like you (you admitted this on a thread once). Some of us just have fun and this is a hobby, without the need to drop $2k+ on every piece in our stable.

I like it here and have learned a lot. I just avoid all of the new camera threads for a few months, I'll wait until people calm down about not getting at 1DX for the price/body of a 6D.
Wow, I've always had Dylan777 on the 'good guy list', do I have to change that now?

LOL ... I wouldn't think so ... he hasn't done anything of the sort in this thread ;D

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 5D MK3 or 6D Replacements... when?
« on: April 05, 2013, 05:01:23 AM »
Why do you want to keep the 7D? Why not to sell the 7D and get the 5D3 which is better than both the 7D and the 6D put together ... unless you absolutely need to have 2 cameras.

I hope that you are not buying into the 1.6 crop factor magnification myth as a reason for retaining the 7D.

he has a A2 printer.
imho it is no myth when you print big.

http://www.robsphotography.co.nz/crop-factor-advantage-7D-5DIII.html


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Crop an image from 5DIII to the same  field of view  as an image from 7D

Gain in image width (in pixels) as a result of the above 45% pixel density advantage

Uncropped image width of 7D = 5184 pixels

Cropped image width of 5DIII

to same  field of view  as 7D     =  3568 pixels  (5760 x 22.3 / 36.0)

Relationship:  7D is approximately 45% greater than 5DIII.

+1 .... It matters but ONLY if you print large. I missed the post regarding the A2 printer

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 5D MK3 or 6D Replacements... when?
« on: April 05, 2013, 04:11:44 AM »
Actually, hamada, I think that guy made a really nice point about just buying the 5DII. A used II is already quite cheap and I don't think it will go down all that much more if/when a 5D4 were announced. That way, you can enjoy the FF experience for a few more years and then SELL IT when a new one is announced and you won't lose too much money. I'm not sure why you think a used 5DII will be similar money to a new 5D4 but that is just not true.

i only wanted to make clear my post is not about image quality concerns... just "purchase value". :)

i think i will go for the 6D and keep my 7D.

the other option would be to sell the 7D and go for a 5D MK3.
but i think i am more flexible when i keep the 7D.
             

Why do you want to keep the 7D? Why not to sell the 7D and get the 5D3 which is better than both the 7D and the 6D put together ... unless you absolutely need to have 2 cameras.

I hope that you are not buying into the 1.6 crop factor magnification myth as a reason for retaining the 7D.

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Lenses / Re: I bit the bullet!
« on: April 05, 2013, 03:41:13 AM »
Now that the Nikon 80-400mm upgrade lens in now in the hands of customers and reviewers, perhaps Canon will think it is now safe to announce their new 100-400 lens (I'm hoping for 200-500 F4 non-push pull - probably would be too heavy) version.

If Canon were to release the 100-400 II, what would be the chances of Canon retaining the I in its lineup? I believe the II will be  priced at least $ 1,000 - $ 1,500 higher than the I version.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Just bought a 6D
« on: April 05, 2013, 02:23:11 AM »
ISO 12800 cleans up quite nicely. Test shot with the 5D3 below and you can expect slightly better results with the 6D  :)

The last time I tried posting this, it ended up with horrible noise on CR ... doesn't show up on my screen so I can't say what the problem was originally ... trying again

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 5D MK3 or 6D Replacements... when?
« on: April 04, 2013, 09:46:33 PM »

i know nobody here knows what canons plans or is doing in the future.
but what do you think?

does this camera generation will last as long as their predecessor generations?
in case of the 5D MK2 that was 4 years.
i would not want to wait that long.. but when a new generation is out in 12 month i could wait.

Not a chance in hell that anyone knows what Canon's plans are. Canon seems clueless themselves  ;)

There is no point waiting or hoping for an update to an existing camera. The 7D users are waiting for the 7D Mark II for over the past year and a half and there is no clue when the Mark II will be released and with what specifics.

The best camera you can shoot with is the one that is available today, not a year or so down the road. The 5D3 is an awesome camera and is likely to fulfill whatever your shooting requirements are. If you shoot landscapes primarily, a 6D will give you similar / slightly better IQ than a 5D3 for a lot less $$$ while sacrificing some of the features of the 5D3 (which I don't think you need shooting landscapes).

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Site Information / Re: Love or Hate Canon Rumors Forum
« on: April 04, 2013, 09:18:32 PM »
I've learnt a lot of information about my gear on this forum which would have been impossible otherwise. I live in India and out here pro level gear users are difficult to find and seek advice from.

As with every forum, you are bound to find posters here with obtuse behaviour who engage in name calling and back and forth arguing - there's a poster here who got flamed for using his 1dx for shooting only ... sports  :o.

But I guess as a regular poster you learn what discussions to get into and which to avoid.

I find that after engaging in a distasteful discussion, I usually avoid posting for a few days, but then I find myself coming back again :)

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Animal Kingdom / Re: Show your Bird Portraits
« on: April 04, 2013, 10:50:18 AM »
Another one with the 5d3 @ 400mm

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Animal Kingdom / Re: Show your Bird Portraits
« on: April 04, 2013, 10:48:27 AM »
Clicked these recently with the 5D3 @ 400mm

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HDR - High Dynamic Range / Re: Here comes the Sun!
« on: April 04, 2013, 09:22:14 AM »
I shot this with the old trusty 7D. Processed in LR.

You can barely make out the greens on the tree in the foreground.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« on: April 03, 2013, 03:53:12 PM »
Nah Marsu, you're just in complete denial, that's all.  Sell your 5D2 and come join us in the real world.  ::)

Ok, you're really trolling, congratulations for reaching 300+ posts .. so that's that.

Btw I don't have a 5d2, after very, very long research I think the 6d has enough upgrades to justify the price difference and I don't absolutely need what was cut 5d2->6d.

Plenty have benefitted from your research on the 6D. BTW, I do hope you finally take the plunge and get it before Canon releases a 6D Mark II ;)

Speaking of that...gotta wonder if the 6d will be like the other 'entry'  level canons ---rebels get refreshed yearly, so will the 6d get refreshed yearly?  bi-yearly?

Canon could, in theory, massively improve this camera at zero cost. Whether their is a will to do it is another aspect altogether. I would surely hope that happens.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« on: April 03, 2013, 03:28:13 PM »
Nah Marsu, you're just in complete denial, that's all.  Sell your 5D2 and come join us in the real world.  ::)

Ok, you're really trolling, congratulations for reaching 300+ posts .. so that's that.

Btw I don't have a 5d2, after very, very long research I think the 6d has enough upgrades to justify the price difference and I don't absolutely need what was cut 5d2->6d.

Plenty have benefitted from your research on the 6D. BTW, I do hope you finally take the plunge and get it before Canon releases a 6D Mark II ;)

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 6D as a Compliment to 5DMkiii
« on: April 03, 2013, 02:50:34 PM »
BTW, you didn't like the "balanced" idea of RLPhoto suggesting a used 5D2 over the 6D - really, there is not that much of a difference between the two cameras in the field.   

That has nothing to do with it.  I believe I even addressed this in this thread, but I'll say it again.  I, personally, don't want to buy used for an electronic at this price.  It's just not worth my piece of mind.  I have no problem with refurbished, but to me $1600 is a lot of money for a camera, and it's worth a couple hundred to me for that piece of mind (and some fluff tossed in for good measure.  I know a lot of people who have had no issues buying used, and good for them.  I'm glad to see things get reused instead of tossed and replaced.  But I'm just not willing to do it for an electronic of this complexity.  Lens, fine, but I won't do it for a body.

The sales of the 5d3 have far outstripped those of the 6D and for good reason.

I could argue that that proves my point every much as you yours.

No you can't, unless your argument borders on the assumption that you know what you are doing while the others don't. 

I have a hard time following your train of thought, it seems to jump around.  So what are you arguing, that the fact there are more sales of 5d3 than 6D means it's a better value?  Please, there are far too many variable involved to draw any conclusion.



Cutting the chase, most (please see that I say most, not all) 6D users will want to get a 5D3 but the chances of the opposite happening are range right up there between slim and none

See, this is the heart of the matter, and I disagree.  It's not that everyone is recommending the 5D3 , it's that their doing it with this thought behind it.  That it's a compromise, that we couldn't achieve 5d3 status, so we settle for 6D  It's wrong, we don't all feel that way.

There have been several people on here that said they bought the 5d3 first and returned it for a 6D and are happy with that decision.  I think at least one of them posted in this very thread; so I don't know about your slim to none.  There are many more who have repeatedly stated they love their 6D, so I'm going to put them in the not upgrading camp.  That's what I'm trying to get at:  there is a niche for the 6D and it's not full of sulking, jealous paupers who dream of one day upgrading.  It's a fine camera that fits our needs.  There are people whose needs fit the 5D3.  It's ok to have both.

Please note, I didn't say that, YOU DID!

I like my 6D but another 5d3 would have been better. Aspiring for something better doesn't make someone a sulking, jealous, pauper as you suggest.

A couple of users returning the 5d3 for a 6d would fall under "slim".

Losing you cool and making wild allegations seemingly claiming that I am suggesting the 6D users are sulking, jealous, paupers is uncalled for. I'm as entitled to my views as you are to yours and there is no reason for you to try to burn me here.

Its better to agree to disagree and move on! Back and forth arguing doesn't resolve anything,

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 6D as a Compliment to 5DMkiii
« on: April 03, 2013, 02:14:02 PM »
For me, this is why I am considering the 6d over the 5d3 as a backup/secondary body.  This is only my second season shooting weddings.  So my income is not at the level it should be, and I want my shots to be as good as they can be.  So a secondary body is needed, mostly so I can get 2 uniquely composed shots without having to run to the bag to swap lenses, and also for the piece of mind a second body gives you (the good old just in case!)  From that perspective, the mk3 gets a big extra point because then I have no falloff in capabilities. Now lets add in the other factors.  I am currently using the older non-IS 70-200 2.8.  I am interested in upgrading to the v2 IS because IS would improve my keeper rate at the long end, and give me more flexibility in Shutter speed.  I'm also considering options with my 24-70 v1, seeling it and upgrading to the v2, or, fill in the gap with another prime (either the 24mm or the 35mm).  I would also really like to snag a 135 f2...

I can't make bold moves with glass if I spend 3k on a body, an mk3 now means no new glass until the end of the season or next season (and in theory, I could do a 6d now then glass, then sell the 6d over the winter and snag a used mk3)...

Add in another factor, I am getting married this year, and weddings are freaking expensive!!!!!!

So whats the better option, a 5d3/6d combo with top end glass?  Or, 2 mk3's and no moves on glass?

You suggest the perfect solution yourself  :) 6d now, then glass, then sell the 6d over the winter and snag a used mk3.

The 6D is pretty good (I don't think I need to tell you that) but it appears a compromise over the 5D3 - though in reality it might not be a compromise at all for shooting weddings ... after all prior to the introduction of the 5D3, more than half the weddings were clicked with the good old 5D2 and the 6D is even better.

BTW, do you feel a used 5D2 will not suit your purpose as a backup / second body? Why not get a used 5d2 AND glass right now - I would say better glass would improve IQ more than a 6D over a 5D2.

It's entirely my opinion, Skirball may differ ;)

Cheers ... J.R.

I considered a 5d2 (have been actually since before there was a 6d).  The 5d2 is a great body, but, its so close (used price even) in price to the 6d that it's a hard sell (LOL, b&h still has new 5d2's with a price tag of 2199!!!!) my fear in buying a 5d2 would be that it would sit in the bag for the vast majority of the day - it would get lots of use for outdoor ceremonies, but indoors I can see myself heavily favoring the mk3 (leaving the mk2 as an expensive lens holder).  I just sent a rental 6d back to lensrentals...  I had kind of hoped that using a 6d would give me more reasons to opt for the mk3, but, I was pleasantly surprised, which makes the decision that much harder because it is a fun little camera to use (and yeah, weight is a factor, i rather like the idea of being able to switch to the 6d later on in the day - lighter, easier to move and yeah, deep into the reception at weddings the weight does become an issue).  It does in fact do quite well at the high ISO's too, and I like to do a combo of natural light, on cam light and off cam light --- I think the 6d outshines the 5d2 for those situations (thinking reception, ambient light, 16-35mm lens...center point is just fine for that kind of stuff!)

Edit:  I will admit, at MAP price ---I would not opt for a 6d at $2099...the biggest reason I am considering it is because B&H is still offering it at $1779.  IF i can find a refurb 5d3 for $2400 then that is what i get (it would make my glass plans more difficult, but still possible), but at $2800 used, and $3100 new...that would end up being the only gear move I made this year...

I'd say, get a 6D and some glass.

5D3 + good glass = good photos
6D + better glass = better photos

Part of my reason for buying the 6D as a backup body over the 5D3 was that I was roughly in the same lens-upgrade boat wanting to upgrade my lenses with the 70-200 f/2.8 II, the 24-70 f/2.8 II and a few more. I am saving up for the lenses but was unwilling to blow an extra $ 1,500 for the 5D3 at this moment in time.

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