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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark III Information [CR1]
« on: November 30, 2011, 05:36:43 AM »
This might be exactly what I want/need:
- a full frame SLR form factor camera that does very high quality video (with excellent low light capability) without moire/aliasing with quality comparable to series of 1920x1080 still images. Video compression is ok if the bit rate is in the realm >=50 Mbit/s. If the moire is absent, the encoder will be more efficient and the false details do not need to get encoded and the overall quality will be much higher even if the bit rate did not increase at all over 5D2.
- and does also stills with excellent dynamic range and excellent low light capability (I am still looking for a camera that can take good pictures of my black cat)
- one that accepts my L-lens collection and possibly/preferably is compatible with electronic follow focus
- camera price in the realm of 5D2 or maximum ~1000 more (5000 would be already too much to justify purchase - as priorities are lenses first and body second)
- body preferably smaller than 1DX
- autofocus is not highly important, as in many cases I manual focus. Would be nice though. But I will take video without aliasing rather than any autofocus any day.
- extreme still speed is not highly important (would be nice though, but not absolutely mandatory), as I am not expecting a sports camera as I am not a sports photographer
- audio / XLRs etc. are not important, I am recording audio separately anyway with dedicated audio recorder and mics and I don't plan going back to internally recorded audio as my audio recorder lives its own upgrade path now.
- I have rigs, steadicams etc. and I don't need any video handles in the camera. As clean and simple as possible is better. That would be also easier to balance to the steadicam.

The Cinema* models from Canon would have been far beyond my budget (as nobody pays me at the moment anything for the video content I create because my job/income is in a different industry), but if this 5D3 is really finally coming, then this probably is my next camera. After that my 5D2 becomes the B-cam or mainly still cam (as my eyes are now so trained to see moire that I nowadays see it everywhere, even where others can't see it, e.g. even in scenes that do not contain any straight horizontal lines and it bugs me like a broken tweeter (which distorts) in a loudspeaker).

So this is the most promising rumor to the date about future Canon models. The previous announcements have been disappointing. The crowd is waiting for a 5D mark III and not a hyper expensive Cinema camera that costs more than RED. A big part of the video DSLR revolution was the price-value ratio of the camera and also the versatility to use the same camera for stills and video. If either of these are absent, it is no longer revolutionary and just a yet another (potentially inferior unless only reliability is the criteria) competitor (with questionable price-value ratio) for cameras like RED Scarlet and Arri Alexa. Canon should put out the 5D mark III fast because this is what I and I believe so many others have been so long waiting for for very good reasons. I hope the 5D3 will live up to its expectations and also I hope that Canon comes up with it fast. 5D3 is needed soonish (January/February 2012 at the latest) and not a year from now.

Uhh, I'll second all of that!

Bit rates - agreed! The gh2 pulls off incredibly fine detail with negligible artifacts at a lowly 24mb/s

For those obsessed with moire...

If the digic 5 is as awesome as it should be, the term artifact will become an artifact.

My question is:  In which ways will they flex gimping to keep the 5d3 from cannibalizing c300 sales??
My guess - HDMI out, fully selectable frame rates (clearly).
I know it's even more "niche" but how easy and incredible would it be:

Pmovie mode w/optional:
  - auto 180 degree shutter (change shutter - visible frame rate indicator adjusts)
  - auto WB that doesn't change after hitting record.
  - auto iso - adjusts at variable rate depending on how dramatic the shift, staying constant whenever possible.
  - follow focus preset marks
     - you could even set approximate marks, while in record a half shutter press begins the rack...it stops once the object in that approximate location gets focus confirmed.

The follow focus is more a pipe dream.
Canon will never be influenced by Hollywood to perfect a feature so incredibly intuitive that it would put every focus puller on the street.
At the very least i hope there is an lcd sensor so i can rack focus w/o touching the camera w/ a new even more Magical Lantern  =)
And yeah, I'd be surprised if a firmware update couldn't fix the usb follow focus buzz kill.

The iso would be the hardest to perfect and least used, due to intermediate issues.

Features are so easy to add (Canon's greatest mistake was revealing that fact).
But even easier to withhold until the competition (or lack there of) forces you to do so.
Allowing you more reincarnations of the exact same camera.

5d2 (7d2 + t2i + t3i + 60d)

Consumers eat up 3 year old technology with a new face if they don't know better.

Dual audio will always be the choice of audiophiles.
Software has made any difficulty arguments against it moot as hell.
In fact, it has removed any need for "pro" features like timecode.
But shhh...

They aren't supposed to know.

Lenses / Re: Packing small with primes. Advice needed please!
« on: November 29, 2011, 01:05:24 AM »
I second branden. For general use, the 35mm and 85mm are a great combo.

If you have a wide angle like the 24mm L, that might be handy instead of the 35mm, especially for shooting buildings.

It's a trap!  Clearly the best answer is 24L + 85L. 
Achieve even greater versatility by picking up a t2i. 

There are plenty of them sitting in the streets at this point =)

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS C300 Price Drop Already? [CR1]
« on: November 27, 2011, 04:29:14 PM »

I'd also expect a detachable lcd for that kind of $$$.

Even if it could, you don't want to rely on the lcd to pull focus because you just can't. External monitor or a z-finder are your only alternatives.

The whole world waits... (and has been for 18 months)

If Canon released a firmware update that works on a per lens basis (many L lenses have thousands of steps, and basic EFs have much less)
Something that can make the quicker steps with a smooth transition.
Then this could become a seriously viable option.

But if they did that, who the hell would buy the manual focus only c300?
It's a very "niche" market - video (that needs good focus).
and because of that, we have things like this:

The detachable LCD could still be wired =)
Wireless hdmi (Cube) does lag far too much for pulling focus.
I don't like z-finders or EVFs because of the % of time the camera is away from my body and moving around.
I don't like monitors because i can't justify spending $500-$6400 on a screen when we live in an ipad world.

The apps that can drive DSLRs are awesome!
But for some reason they're all missing video functions (like record).
And of course, lag over usb.

We live in a very cool world.
Just a few dumb caveats holding us back.
"Get pissed or things won't change."
was that Jesus or Gandhi?

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS C300 Price Drop Already? [CR1]
« on: November 26, 2011, 04:12:30 AM »

It looks like a stupid 80's full VHS camcorder.

Have you even looked at the specs list? The C300 is DSLR form factor. The body is about the size of a 1D and weighs just slightly more.

Have you held a t2i?

or the even more ridiculous raw horsepower per ounce gh2?

It is pretty close to the 1d in weight, less so in shape.
But i'd never buy a 1d either.

I'd also expect a detachable lcd for that kind of $$$.

The bottom line - discrete filmmaking is becoming fairly standard.
The iphone 4s is nipping at the heels of professional gear as far as resolved detail.

I would much rather have a big intuitive N64-like controller with a sensor/image processor attached.
The c300 is neither groundbreaking nor intuitive.
Undoubtedly, the image is incredible.

But computers are in everything
3 of them inside the new 1d.
is programmable follow focus through AF really an astronomically out-of-this-world idea?
The t2i has it (sort of).

2 steps forward.
42 steps back.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS C300 Price Drop Already? [CR1]
« on: November 25, 2011, 04:37:06 PM »

It looks like a stupid 80's full VHS camcorder.

DSLRs have taught us non-photography folks how simple and intuitive manual controls can really be.
What the hell is the point of these video camera style bodies anymore?
to put it on your shoulder?
to look "professional"?

Let your media do the talking.

The DSLR "revolution" will never be killed by the video camera - incorrectly shaped image capturing devices.
Sure, video cameras are beginning to catch up in quality.
But only because Canon's video division sent a memo to the stills department.

I assumed it went a little something like this:
"Stop it.  Stop doing what we do better than we do it.  Put uncompressed hdmi out on these and we are DEAD, we are ALL DEAD!"

Computers/Software/Cameras are exploding with potential.  The innovation has already been great.
It must be really really scary to know the mass of middle class kids being born with 35mm film cameras and 64bit editing machines at their finger tips.

NO OTHER industries are facing this type of imminent oversaturation/doom.
Oh, except the Record industry.
But audio hardware/software hasn't been redefining itself at nearly the rate as the video world.
We are living in the coolest moment of mankind.

And the c300 is a big backwards sideways leap.
It really should cost around 6k.
The AF100 should drop to $600
The GH2 is so much better (hacked).

I have no problem with Canon keeping pro-quality out of the hands of common consumers.
I would be totally down for a $20-30k 4k camera with great scaling, choosable sensor usage, fully selectable frame rates (hopefully up to at least 120)
BUT ONLY in a DSLR form factor.

EOS Bodies / Re: Concept Cinema DSLR Official
« on: November 04, 2011, 05:55:11 PM »
But will it blend?

LoL, i would pay to see that.

Lenses / Re: New Lenses Imminent? [CR1]
« on: November 03, 2011, 02:59:55 AM »
Want: Canon Anamorphic!
Chance of happening: .004%

EOS Bodies / Re: T2i vs. 60D vs. 5dMKII
« on: November 02, 2011, 09:46:03 PM »
For the best video I would recommend the gh2 with canon glass.
5dii is incredible, but 3 years old (and still hard to get under $2k)
You could probably find a $450ish t2i used.
Magic Lantern has the coolest features for the t2i, as it's the only camera with an lcd sensor... and you can use it to adjust focus/take stills/start video etc without ever touching your camera (awesome for gimbal stabilizers)
ML also has built-in timelapse/hdr ability.

Lenses / Re: Zeiss Distagon T* 2/25 Gets Official
« on: November 02, 2011, 08:52:30 PM »
Zeiss lenses feel awesome for video.
Canon L's are fairly close, and i like how it doesn't have a super hard stop at the end.
Zeiss = amazing bokeh
Canon = crazy sharp
AF drive for follow focus... The USB ones blow (seem to stutter a bit)
Canon has refused to acknowledge the potential...continuous AF in new 1d/5diii?
Continuous AF was an experimental feature in an old 550d ML update in March, it wasn't perfect and would pass the focus point/not know exactly where to focus, but still worked incredibly well on a glidecam.
Incredible potential made me buy canon.
If that potential is never pursued, i may regret not going zeiss.
But if it's going to be heavy and expensive anyway, why not make it 1.4?

Lenses / Re: Buy 24-70 f2.8L now or wait for 24-70 f2.8L II
« on: November 02, 2011, 08:35:30 PM »
After stocking up on some primes, i was about to let go of my 24-70L.
Then i shot some 5d2 video at F5.6 at 70mm-the "soft" end.
It was cream-your-jeans sharp. With cream filling your socks smooth bokeh.
IS has little use to me, with the exception of handheld video.
If the new version isn't going to have IS, your best bet at snagging a good deal could be before the new one gets announced (since people are selling in anticipation of it dropping in future value).
All tech will be some sort of gamble and tradeoff.
Happy gambling.

Lenses / Re: New Lenses Imminent? [CR1]
« on: November 02, 2011, 08:23:33 PM »
The current 50 1.8 still has damn good IQ.  It's just such a cruel joke to give the lens with the weakest AF the worst manual focus ring ever made.  If magic lantern has taught us anything, it's that there is great potential in controlling the AF motor through the camera... Unfortunately Canon's software end is being gimped by an interdepartmental memo stating something similar to the following "You had your fun with the 5d2, now stop making good things...our video department has only had 3 years with our head in the dirt to catch up."  We'll find out tomorrow if they have.

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