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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS-b Images Leak & a New Kit Lens
« on: March 19, 2013, 11:02:23 AM »
"EOS-b"????

What customer is going to buy a "b" camera?
i.e. how many will ask "So where is the EOS-a?" and want to buy that?
Funny, that was my very FIRST impression when I read the announcement this morning.  What happened to the "a" model.
seriously,
who named this camera? EOS-B? are they aiming at being the next edsel? this is one of the worst, most confusing names for a product i've heard in a really long time, calling something "B" is a really poor choice the US.
the only way this makes is if there's an EOS-A coming to the market soon that is better.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 100D Detailed Specs Appear
« on: March 19, 2013, 10:43:58 AM »

I have 4 canon dslr bodies and a set of L lenses to go with them. The NEX system has Zeiss lenses just for their system which are excellent in IQ. The 16MP sensor in the nex 6 is excellent, AND you get AF all the time.

Canon is way behind Nikon and Sony as far as IQ and innovative products.

Are you sure you got that right ... You mean you have 4 DSLR canon bodies and L lenses and they have poor IQ as compared to Nikons and Sony?

Troll post if ever I saw one!
In terms of IQ, I don't think there is much difference among the top tier DSLR gear, but in terms of the entry level cameras, I think Canon is definitely getting a little long in the tooth, especially when comparing the 18mp APS-C Canon sensor with other entry level DSLR's. This should hopefully change this year when Canon refreshes the 60D and 7D.
In terms of innovative, outside of lenses, i'd be curious which Canon bodies you'd describe as innovative...?
the EOS-M is just another APS-C mirrorless, nothing too crazy compared to anything else on the market, although a nice option for people with tons of Canon glass. I haven't heard anyone say it has brought anything new or exciting to the mirrorless market.
The 5DIII is just more or less a refreshed D700 with double the MP's.... which is awesome, but not exactly innovative....
In terms of innovative in DSLR world i'd say the only ones I can think of are the A99(which I would never buy) and the D800E(also not interested.)
In terms of small form factor, I think the most innovative cameras are the NEX series and the RX1/RX100, along with the Fujis.
I'm sure i'm missing a few from other brands, but at least over the last 4 years, Canon has been anything but innovative in terms of bodies.
CanoSony, it's a tough crowd here sometimes if you're not an ultra Canon fanboy 24/7,
Welcome to the forum, it' always good to see new opinions around here.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 100D Detailed Specs Appear
« on: March 18, 2013, 11:45:36 PM »
if this was ff with the 5DIII AF i'd preorder for 2500 bucks. As it is, i have zero interest at all unless it is around 300 dollars.
Why does small have to mean lame specs?

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 100D Coming? [CR1]
« on: March 16, 2013, 10:17:52 PM »
yeah!!!! a diminutive, even more entry level DSLR that is a bit expensive! Wow, Canon really knows how to make people happy these days!

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EOS Bodies / Re: The Next Rebel? [CR1]
« on: March 14, 2013, 11:43:59 AM »
yawn....
550D sensor and 9AF points? what's the point of this camera?
Don't we already have a 650D, EOS-M, 60D, 600D, 550D, etc with these same basic specs?
Canon has been super boring lately.

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EOS Bodies / Re: A New DSLR Line from Canon? [CR1]
« on: March 13, 2013, 09:39:33 AM »
why does this have to be entry level? why cant Canon make a full frame interchangeable lens camera with a form smaller than a DSLR.
I know some of you out there cant hold tiny cameras, but for me, walking or carrying a backpack for 8 or 12 hours in a day around town, or walking to work, traveling, size and quality is everything... along with quick and accurate AF.
Canon, please make this dream of mine come true.

The 6D does seem to be looking to cater for a smaller FF body so I'm not sure we'll see something similar released in the next couple of years.
If the 6D is the smallest FF camera Canon makes in the next couple years I will be very disappointed. I don't understand why companies cant give the market a FF compact high end body on par with the M series but with AF. The M9 has been out for years already(4-5?) and no camera company can match anything like that yet? I'm about to just buy an RX1 and sell all my DSLR stuff. It's fun to shoot if I have a car and i'm just out for a few hours, but traveling or carrying a DSLR around all day, to work, on the bus, it's just too heavy to really enjoy it.

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EOS Bodies / Re: A New DSLR Line from Canon? [CR1]
« on: March 12, 2013, 12:09:21 PM »
why does this have to be entry level? why cant Canon make a full frame interchangeable lens camera with a form smaller than a DSLR.
I know some of you out there cant hold tiny cameras, but for me, walking or carrying a backpack for 8 or 12 hours in a day around town, or walking to work, traveling, size and quality is everything... along with quick and accurate AF.
Canon, please make this dream of mine come true.

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Camera Maker: NIKON CORPORATION
Camera Model: NIKON D800
Lens: 24.0-70.0 mm f/2.8
got a good laugh from the outcome of this investigation. the 24-70 2.8G is an awesome lens. every time I use mine I cant believe how good the pictures look.

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Portrait / Re: Portraits taken in Saudi Arabia
« on: March 02, 2013, 10:50:56 PM »
love your shots. they really made me smile. They are all really good in different ways.
how'd you find Saudi Arabia? Would you recommend it as a travel destination? These pictures make me want to go!

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EOS Bodies / Re: What is this camera?
« on: March 02, 2013, 10:13:43 AM »
great thread here. CR is getting better everyday.

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Lenses / Re: Canon 100-400 f/4-5.6L IS II Leaked!!
« on: March 02, 2013, 09:55:59 AM »
Sorry, but the attempt is pretty lame.  If you're going to put up a fake 100-400, your fake should show focal length markings somewhere.  No numbers around the zoom ring?  More importantly, you're showing a non-extending zoom and it's too short to be 400mm (unless it's a DO lens, in which case you've got the wrong color stripe).  Better luck next time.
That was a pretty harsh CR style beatdown Neuro. Take it easy on the poor kid.

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Pricewatch Deals / Re: Canon Center Pinch Lens Caps Now Shipping
« on: February 25, 2013, 08:32:45 PM »
These things were announced November 5th,
http://www.canonrumors.com/2012/11/canon-announces-new-lens-caps/
It really took them nearly four months to get them in to stores? I thought these had been available for months already.

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EOS-M / Re: The Next EOS M? [CR1]
« on: February 24, 2013, 08:03:28 PM »
I don't see what is differentiating these specs from anything that is on the market already, namely sony.
At best, these specs will end up being a NEX type camera that has a Canon Mount. That is great for diehard Canon users, but i'm not excited enough about it to consider that over anything already on the market.
If I were to be interested in APS-C mirrorless camera, it would have to have super quick AF(like the Nikon 1,) a built in flash, hopefully a built in viewfinder, and have an F2.8 Kit lens all for around 1000 bucks at most.
That's probably a dream, but for my uses, APS-C is basically dead. If the above camera was made, I may consider it as a second camera to a future FF mirrorless or an RX1.
Now, if Canon would step up and make a FF mirrorless(like the RX1 with a 24-70(or 24-55mm) zoom, or a mirrorless FF with interchangeable lenses, and kept the cost around $2k or 3K with a decent kit lens or fast prime, well, i'd probably pre order!

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon 7100 has been anounced
« on: February 21, 2013, 10:43:15 AM »
...it doesn't mean that my opinions are irrational.
Price IS an issue for me, and based on ALL factors regarding cameras, i haven't been too thrilled with Canon's releases.

Your opinion was quite rational, as was your decision to switch to Nikon.  Personally, if my main purpose was to shoot landscapes, I'd be shooting with a D800, 14-24/2.8G and a PC-E 24mm.  Put that in a fanboy pipe and smoke it.   :P

The problem is when someone (and you're not the only one who does this) takes a statement like, "I think the recent Nikon dSLR releases are much better than the recent Canon dSLR releases," and somehow translates that into, "Most people think Nikon is dominating Canon."  First off, your opinion is not everyone's opinion, or even most people's opinion.  My opinion is not everyone's opinion, either, for that matter.  That's why I often bring up sales figures - it's an aggregate way of assessing everyone's 'opinion' based on their buying choices.  Sure, there are lots of factors that go into those buying decisions - features, cost, compatibility with current equipment, what their friends use, etc.  But it's an objective measure, unlike all of the hot air (or electrons, as the case may be) that we read on internet forums.

Another problem is the evaluation of the camera in isolation, or worse, basing an evaluation on sensor performance alone.  You state ALL factors regarding cameras, but both a camera and a lens are needed to take pictures.  Sometimes, a flash is needed, too.  It's the 'camera system' that takes pictures, not just a camera or a sensor alone.  So, it's important to view it in that light - consider your overall needs and budget for a system, and buy accordingly.  If one brand offers the best body in the world, but lesser lens choices, that's something to be aware of...

Finally, most of this really doesn't matter.  Sure, there are a few examples of images that can only be taken with Canon vs. Nikon gear (MP-E 65mm and 17mm tilt-shift shots, ultrawide shots with an image-stabilized lens, etc.).  But for the most part, it's much less about the gear itself than about the person using it to make images.
Neuro, i definitely think you're the man, and I agree with you in many aspects of what you're saying.
I'm simply stating my opinion, which we all agree I am welcome to have.
This sight would be a boring place if everyone on here simply loved all things Canon and hated all things Nikon.
I am happy with the camera system I have chosen, and you are happy with yours. You are right that it would be nearly impossible to tell our photos apart based on our gear.
Disagreeing is what makes the world an interesting place.

While selling more cameras is a strong case for Canon being a superior system, it is not the end all be all of which camera is better. Pointing this out in every argument(as someone always does) does not mean that Canon wins anymore than the fact that people raving about the D7100 specs in this thread make it a better camera than Canon's future offering(or for that matter DXO scores, etc.)

I really appreciate this website and forum and I want to thank the Admin and all the other regulars on here for the constantly enjoyable posts and banter.


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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon 7100 has been anounced
« on: February 21, 2013, 09:40:09 AM »
The sad thing is that Nikon is basically dominating all matchups(definitely on the lower end), at least in terms of specs, public perception(I understand pros love Canon for a reason, etc, i'm just saying.)

So, you're saying that "public perception" is that Nikon is "dominating" the matchups?  Is your definition of "public" taken to mean, "People who frequent internet forums devoted to Nikon cameras and people who frequent internet forums devoted to Canon cameras for the primary purpose of trolling?" 

Because the "public" who actually buy dSLRs, as opposed to those who just write about them on the internet, seem to buy a lot more Canon dSLRs than Nikon dSLRs, which is why Canon has been and, as of the latest available data, still is "dominating" the market.

I'm just saying...   ::)

Again with your rational, logical, and fact-based analysis... please, that has no place on the Internet.
Was my initial post really that off the mark?
I have all the respect for Neuro in the world. He is obviously one of the most intelligent people on any internet forum.
But, he is also a GIANT Canon fanboy and it never seems as though price is a consideration for him.
He IS rational, but it doesn't mean that my opinions are irrational.
Price IS an issue for me, and based on ALL factors regarding cameras, i haven't been too thrilled with Canon's releases.
Lets face it, the D7100 destroys an incrementally upgraded 60D, and I'm pretty sure I remember the 7DII's rumored price to be around $2K.
I sincerely hope(as other's have said) that Canon comes back swinging and really offers something fantastic, competetion is good for everyone.

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