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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Mark II
« on: September 20, 2013, 01:30:22 PM »
the 6Dmk2 would be built close to 5D3 while retaining its small size and multi-directional dial (whatever you call it).

The problem with the 6D is that it was apparently conceived when the 5DIII specs were frozen.
So, not much breathing room for Canon to give it proper specs.

Going forward, I'm not sure that the 6DII will be build close to the 5DIII.
I do expect, though, that the 6DII will be properly differentiated from the 5DIV - without having to be crippled.

We'll see what happens.
Body size (form factor in general) will surely remain a key differentiator between the two.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Mark II
« on: September 19, 2013, 11:09:59 PM »
... and only after the 5d4 is here.

+1

Canon cannot update the 6D in a meaningful way without stepping on the 5DIII's toes.
So, next in line for an update is definitely the 5DIII.

The 5DIV might get announced as early as next year, IMO.
Possibly in September before the Photokina show (??).
After that, the 5DIII and 5DIV will sell side by side for a while.
And only after that the 6D will get updated.
In the summer of 2015 the earliest, IMO.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 70d RAW Samples
« on: August 08, 2013, 03:41:04 AM »
Actually the 6D scored the lowest ever for a DSLR on the metamism index score at DxO for natural daylight shooting which would imply the most color-blind, least color discrimination of any DSLR.

Heh. Canon keeps doing that. Really annoying.
So, that's how the 6D achieves its high ISO performance.
Thanks for pointing it out.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 70d RAW Samples
« on: August 07, 2013, 11:53:23 PM »
More RAW samples from DPreview:
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canon-eos-70d/9

Overall, just subtle improvements over the 18mp sensor.
Dynamic range (DR) is still behind Sony/Nikon (e.g. D7100) but ISO/noise is on par.

One thing to note is that the 70D renders colors the same way as the 6D.
Probably both are using new color filters compared to previous models.
As a result, colors are actually more accurate (albeit appearing somewhat less punchy).

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 70d RAW Samples
« on: August 04, 2013, 05:47:15 PM »
... and look in awe what nearly half a decade of crop sensor development has resulted in!

Well, if you look at the competition, the latest 24mp sensors from Sony and Toshiba are no different from the 70D.
Also look at FF: how big is the difference between the 5DMKII (2008) and 6D/5DMKIII (2012)?

Sensor tech may not have reached a plateau but it has definitely reached maturity. For both APS-C and FF.
So, enhancements are becoming more and more incremental rather than groundbreaking.

Thanks for making these comparisons available, btw.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II Information [CR2]
« on: August 04, 2013, 02:30:11 PM »
... the real limitation on ISO performance is the APS-C-sized sensor.  Unfortunately, physics trumps hopes and dreams.

Unfortunately ... you are right.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 70d RAW Samples
« on: August 04, 2013, 02:06:48 PM »
That's a ho-hum improvement in my opinion. 

It's a good improvement - just not the 1-2 stops improvement that switching to the 6D, for example, can provide 8).

Oh well. In case there have been any doubts, it should be clear by now that huge jumps
in image quality between successive sensor generations are just not possible ... unfortunately.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II Information [CR2]
« on: August 04, 2013, 01:34:06 PM »
Canon won't be able to charge too much premium for the 7DII if it has the same sensor as the 70D - regardless of AF.

They collected quite a premium on the 5DIII over the 5DII when the most significant upgrade was the AF.  My guess is that the new 7D will end up with the 5DIII style AF.  That would actually be pretty nice on an APS-C body.

With the 5DIII it's different: it's a real pro body, second best in the lineup after the 1DX.
The alternatives are a hamstrung 6D or a crop camera with inferior image quality.
This makes it easy for Canon to charge a hefty premium for the 5DIII - solely based on features.

Not so for the 7DII, which will have a cheaper but still very well spec'd and capable competitor in the face of the 70D.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 70d RAW Samples
« on: August 04, 2013, 01:12:30 PM »
For what it's worth...

Thanks for doing this indeed. Much appreciated.

The 70D is noticeably cleaner in this comparison.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II Information [CR2]
« on: August 03, 2013, 09:48:40 PM »
people take this rumor as an absolute truth. its a RUMOR. second half of 2014? more than 12 months (again a rumor) until released? many things can change.

+1

It's quite believable, though, that the 7DII will come in the second half of 2014.
I was actually thinking that the 7DII will get announced in March next year.
Now July-August seems more likely.

On the other hand, I don't believe that the 7DII will have the 70D sensor.
Canon won't be able to charge too much premium for the 7DII if it has the same sensor as the 70D - regardless of AF.

So, we'll see.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II Information [CR2]
« on: August 03, 2013, 09:33:24 PM »
Realising this is a rumour, so with that in mind....

IF it was to have the same sensor as the 70D, which by some accounts will have little improvement at RAW level compared to the current 7D etc, I figure I may as well put my money towards a full frame body upgrade, which of course, may all be part of Canon's grand plan......

+1000

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 70D Sample photos ISO 100-25600
« on: August 03, 2013, 02:02:15 AM »
More 70D samples - this time from the Imaging Resource:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/canon-70d/canon-70dA7.HTM

ISO/noise on par with the 60D (and the D7100, for that matter).
Definitely not a 6D killer  8).

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 70D a New Benchmark in ISO Performance?
« on: July 29, 2013, 02:33:24 PM »
... I wouldn't expect much better IQ in a 7DII.   

Canon could keep the same number of megapixels on the 7DII, while tweaking ISO/noise performance.
This will allow ISO/noise on the 7DII to be somewhere in the middle between the 70D/Rebels and the FF models.
So, still an improvement over the rest of the crop cameras - and yet not on the same level as FF.

We'll see. That's what I'm hoping for, at least.

Quote
If you want substantially better IQ, Canon wants you to buy a FF camera.

Agree. FF needs to remain the IQ king. They can risk that.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 70D a New Benchmark in ISO Performance?
« on: July 29, 2013, 01:33:29 PM »
Of course, what Canon really wants you to do is jump lines.

Agree completely.

Canon obviously considers the image quality of their crop cameras to be good enough.
Hence, they don't seem to be making much effort to improve it.

For better image quality, you are indeed invited you to jump lines  ... by spending more ;).

Looking forward, I'm convinced that the 7DII will follow this pattern as well.
Unlike the 7D, the 7DII will use a different sensor than the rest of the crop models, IMO.
So, for better image quality in a crop camera, we'll all be invited to spend more on the 7DII - that is, to jump lines.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 70D a New Benchmark in ISO Performance?
« on: July 26, 2013, 06:02:20 PM »
What do you think?

Try the optyczne.pl comparison with the 100D.
It seems that lightning and exposure are much more similar vs the other samples:


After comparing the ISO-1600 samples, the 70D doesn't seem to be any cleaner than the 100D.
At ISO-12800, though, the 70D is slightly cleaner.

And comparing the 6D samples (scroll down the page), I still see the same difference of 1.5-2 ISO stops
as between the 6D and the 18mp models.

So, overall, the 70D doesn't seem to be an improvement over the 18mp sensors in terms of ISO.
ISOs 6400+ seem to be slightly cleaner - but that's about it.

Oh, well. We can only hope that the 7DII will bring some real improvements.

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