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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 70d RAW Samples
« on: August 04, 2013, 02:06:48 PM »
That's a ho-hum improvement in my opinion. 

It's a good improvement - just not the 1-2 stops improvement that switching to the 6D, for example, can provide 8).

Oh well. In case there have been any doubts, it should be clear by now that huge jumps
in image quality between successive sensor generations are just not possible ... unfortunately.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II Information [CR2]
« on: August 04, 2013, 01:34:06 PM »
Canon won't be able to charge too much premium for the 7DII if it has the same sensor as the 70D - regardless of AF.

They collected quite a premium on the 5DIII over the 5DII when the most significant upgrade was the AF.  My guess is that the new 7D will end up with the 5DIII style AF.  That would actually be pretty nice on an APS-C body.

With the 5DIII it's different: it's a real pro body, second best in the lineup after the 1DX.
The alternatives are a hamstrung 6D or a crop camera with inferior image quality.
This makes it easy for Canon to charge a hefty premium for the 5DIII - solely based on features.

Not so for the 7DII, which will have a cheaper but still very well spec'd and capable competitor in the face of the 70D.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 70d RAW Samples
« on: August 04, 2013, 01:12:30 PM »
For what it's worth...

Thanks for doing this indeed. Much appreciated.

The 70D is noticeably cleaner in this comparison.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II Information [CR2]
« on: August 03, 2013, 09:48:40 PM »
people take this rumor as an absolute truth. its a RUMOR. second half of 2014? more than 12 months (again a rumor) until released? many things can change.

+1

It's quite believable, though, that the 7DII will come in the second half of 2014.
I was actually thinking that the 7DII will get announced in March next year.
Now July-August seems more likely.

On the other hand, I don't believe that the 7DII will have the 70D sensor.
Canon won't be able to charge too much premium for the 7DII if it has the same sensor as the 70D - regardless of AF.

So, we'll see.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II Information [CR2]
« on: August 03, 2013, 09:33:24 PM »
Realising this is a rumour, so with that in mind....

IF it was to have the same sensor as the 70D, which by some accounts will have little improvement at RAW level compared to the current 7D etc, I figure I may as well put my money towards a full frame body upgrade, which of course, may all be part of Canon's grand plan......

+1000

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 70D Sample photos ISO 100-25600
« on: August 03, 2013, 02:02:15 AM »
More 70D samples - this time from the Imaging Resource:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/canon-70d/canon-70dA7.HTM

ISO/noise on par with the 60D (and the D7100, for that matter).
Definitely not a 6D killer  8).

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 70D a New Benchmark in ISO Performance?
« on: July 29, 2013, 02:33:24 PM »
... I wouldn't expect much better IQ in a 7DII.   

Canon could keep the same number of megapixels on the 7DII, while tweaking ISO/noise performance.
This will allow ISO/noise on the 7DII to be somewhere in the middle between the 70D/Rebels and the FF models.
So, still an improvement over the rest of the crop cameras - and yet not on the same level as FF.

We'll see. That's what I'm hoping for, at least.

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If you want substantially better IQ, Canon wants you to buy a FF camera.

Agree. FF needs to remain the IQ king. They can risk that.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 70D a New Benchmark in ISO Performance?
« on: July 29, 2013, 01:33:29 PM »
Of course, what Canon really wants you to do is jump lines.

Agree completely.

Canon obviously considers the image quality of their crop cameras to be good enough.
Hence, they don't seem to be making much effort to improve it.

For better image quality, you are indeed invited you to jump lines  ... by spending more ;).

Looking forward, I'm convinced that the 7DII will follow this pattern as well.
Unlike the 7D, the 7DII will use a different sensor than the rest of the crop models, IMO.
So, for better image quality in a crop camera, we'll all be invited to spend more on the 7DII - that is, to jump lines.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 70D a New Benchmark in ISO Performance?
« on: July 26, 2013, 06:02:20 PM »
What do you think?

Try the optyczne.pl comparison with the 100D.
It seems that lightning and exposure are much more similar vs the other samples:


After comparing the ISO-1600 samples, the 70D doesn't seem to be any cleaner than the 100D.
At ISO-12800, though, the 70D is slightly cleaner.

And comparing the 6D samples (scroll down the page), I still see the same difference of 1.5-2 ISO stops
as between the 6D and the 18mp models.

So, overall, the 70D doesn't seem to be an improvement over the 18mp sensors in terms of ISO.
ISOs 6400+ seem to be slightly cleaner - but that's about it.

Oh, well. We can only hope that the 7DII will bring some real improvements.

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EOS Bodies / Re: An Update on the 75+mp Camera in the Wild
« on: July 25, 2013, 04:31:37 PM »
I'd have thought a full frame camera with a 'very high frame rate' would be a 1D X replacement.

To really shine in the video world, such a camera could maybe do 8K video @ 60fps.
This is an extremely high frame rate, given the high resolution.

Doesn't mean that the frame rate for stills will be high.

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EOS Bodies / Re: An Update on the 75+mp Camera in the Wild
« on: July 25, 2013, 04:20:57 PM »
It has to be confirmed whether the reported 80MP figure is real - or whether this is a 40MP sensor with DualPixel technology.

The resolution needed for 8K video is ~39MP.
So, it makes a lot of sense, actually, if Canon is testing an 8K sensor ... which would be 40MP.

This could get lost in translation and be reported as 80MP, though - if DualPixel technology is used.

Honestly, 80MP doesn't make much sense, except for bragging rights.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 7D Mark II - How much will it cost?
« on: July 22, 2013, 10:33:13 PM »
How much do you think the RRP of the Canon 7D Mark II will be when it launches?

$1700-1800.

Don't expect the 7DII to be the successor of the 1DIV.
It will be the 7D successor and will be priced the same or slightly more than the 7D.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« on: July 22, 2013, 10:14:12 PM »
You are assuming Canon will leave the 7D II in the same target demographic bucket as the 7D.

This is a safe assumption to make, IMO.

To put it another way: if the 7DII is the 1DIV successor, what will be the 7D successor?

This is a rhetorical question 8).
Like I said, I don't see the 7DII morphing into a different class of camera.

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I'd point to the various statements Canon has made about how they want to do something "special" with the 7D II.

What Canon actually said was that the 7DII would "evolve into new territory".
There are different ways to interpret that but I wouldn't read too much into it.
Just consider that when the 5DII was announced, its video feature was considered 'revolutionary'.
So, now that Canon is talking 'evolution', I wouldn't hold my breath for a big departure from the current concept.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« on: July 22, 2013, 07:55:07 PM »
Frankly, the relatively low pricing of the 70D should give some reassurance that the 7DII will likely come in comfortably under $2,000

Completely agree  8).

There's no reason to believe that the 7DII product positioning will change compared to that of the current 7D.
This means, of course, a sub-$2000 price tag ... and sub-$2000 specs.

So, no 61 AF-points in the 7DII.
Canon will not put their first-tier AF system in a sub-$2000 body.
Same for some of the other dream specs floating around.

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Thanks, and it shouldn't be "for a change"...my points are always valid...there...yes I did say that! 

Heh. I mean to say that we are, for a change, in agreement - unlike other times, when we argue  8).

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If they want to turn a 6D2 into something very close to the current 5D3, and turn the 5D4 into an even higher spec camera...then they will know they're making the right call.  I just don't see that happening at all.

I see you point but there are other equally valid views as well.

Like I said, I'm waiting to see what happens to the 'entry level FF' concept.
Both Canon and Nikon will likely do some reshuffling of their FF lineups.
Just my opinion. We'll see.

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