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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 70D a New Benchmark in ISO Performance?
« on: July 26, 2013, 06:02:20 PM »
What do you think?

Try the comparison with the 100D.
It seems that lightning and exposure are much more similar vs the other samples:

After comparing the ISO-1600 samples, the 70D doesn't seem to be any cleaner than the 100D.
At ISO-12800, though, the 70D is slightly cleaner.

And comparing the 6D samples (scroll down the page), I still see the same difference of 1.5-2 ISO stops
as between the 6D and the 18mp models.

So, overall, the 70D doesn't seem to be an improvement over the 18mp sensors in terms of ISO.
ISOs 6400+ seem to be slightly cleaner - but that's about it.

Oh, well. We can only hope that the 7DII will bring some real improvements.

EOS Bodies / Re: An Update on the 75+mp Camera in the Wild
« on: July 25, 2013, 04:31:37 PM »
I'd have thought a full frame camera with a 'very high frame rate' would be a 1D X replacement.

To really shine in the video world, such a camera could maybe do 8K video @ 60fps.
This is an extremely high frame rate, given the high resolution.

Doesn't mean that the frame rate for stills will be high.

EOS Bodies / Re: An Update on the 75+mp Camera in the Wild
« on: July 25, 2013, 04:20:57 PM »
It has to be confirmed whether the reported 80MP figure is real - or whether this is a 40MP sensor with DualPixel technology.

The resolution needed for 8K video is ~39MP.
So, it makes a lot of sense, actually, if Canon is testing an 8K sensor ... which would be 40MP.

This could get lost in translation and be reported as 80MP, though - if DualPixel technology is used.

Honestly, 80MP doesn't make much sense, except for bragging rights.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 7D Mark II - How much will it cost?
« on: July 22, 2013, 10:33:13 PM »
How much do you think the RRP of the Canon 7D Mark II will be when it launches?


Don't expect the 7DII to be the successor of the 1DIV.
It will be the 7D successor and will be priced the same or slightly more than the 7D.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« on: July 22, 2013, 10:14:12 PM »
You are assuming Canon will leave the 7D II in the same target demographic bucket as the 7D.

This is a safe assumption to make, IMO.

To put it another way: if the 7DII is the 1DIV successor, what will be the 7D successor?

This is a rhetorical question 8).
Like I said, I don't see the 7DII morphing into a different class of camera.

I'd point to the various statements Canon has made about how they want to do something "special" with the 7D II.

What Canon actually said was that the 7DII would "evolve into new territory".
There are different ways to interpret that but I wouldn't read too much into it.
Just consider that when the 5DII was announced, its video feature was considered 'revolutionary'.
So, now that Canon is talking 'evolution', I wouldn't hold my breath for a big departure from the current concept.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« on: July 22, 2013, 07:55:07 PM »
Frankly, the relatively low pricing of the 70D should give some reassurance that the 7DII will likely come in comfortably under $2,000

Completely agree  8).

There's no reason to believe that the 7DII product positioning will change compared to that of the current 7D.
This means, of course, a sub-$2000 price tag ... and sub-$2000 specs.

So, no 61 AF-points in the 7DII.
Canon will not put their first-tier AF system in a sub-$2000 body.
Same for some of the other dream specs floating around.

Thanks, and it shouldn't be "for a change" points are always valid...there...yes I did say that! 

Heh. I mean to say that we are, for a change, in agreement - unlike other times, when we argue  8).

If they want to turn a 6D2 into something very close to the current 5D3, and turn the 5D4 into an even higher spec camera...then they will know they're making the right call.  I just don't see that happening at all.

I see you point but there are other equally valid views as well.

Like I said, I'm waiting to see what happens to the 'entry level FF' concept.
Both Canon and Nikon will likely do some reshuffling of their FF lineups.
Just my opinion. We'll see.

Just depends on what the market wants ...

Very good points overall and I do agree with them (for a change ;)).

Anyway, hard to tell how long the 6D will 'live'. 
It definitely won't be replaced next year but who knows what will happen after that.

My overall impression is that the 6D is not selling all that well (unless discounted).
And despite having better specs, Nikon's D600 is not faring better either.

So, we'll see what happens to the so called 'entry level' FF category in 2015.
Canon might decide that it's better for them to sell a higher-spec'd 6DII for $2500 - rather than the 'entry level' 6D.

This sensor is made from canon line 2 , APS line and compact camera line, nothing difficult with that

At the CMOS/electronics level, the 70D sensor is a 40mp sensor.  You'd better accept that.

It's hard to believe that Canon has managed to make a 40mp sensor on their old 500nm process.
But there are no clear clues at this time to confirm whether Canon has indeed switched to a new process.

We'll surely find out, as I'm sure Chipworks is eager to put this new sensor under their microscopes.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« on: July 11, 2013, 06:56:52 PM »
Nah. They won't put a 24mp sensor in the 7DII.

Depends on what people it should appeal to - and more metapixies has consumer appeal

Yes, megapickles appeal to consumers.

The question is, is the 7DII supposed to be a consumer camera?

If yes, why should Canon put their 61-point pro AF system in a consumer camera - as many are asking here.
And if not, why should Canon appeal to consumers with a (noisy) 24mp sensor.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« on: July 11, 2013, 03:38:21 PM »
RLPhotos official prediction for 7D2.

- 61 Point AF
- 24 MP APS-C
- 10 FPS

Pack those 3 key features in, and canon stole the semi-pro sports market again.

Agreed. I really hope it happens!

Nah. They won't put a 24mp sensor in the 7DII.
This is a sports body, remember.
Sports bodies favor ISO/noise over megapixels.

Here are my predictions:
  • 18mp, 1.5x crop factor
  • new AF system - but not the 1DX/5DIII AF system
  • 9fps

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« on: July 09, 2013, 03:36:43 PM »
Timing could also depend on what Nikon is going to be doing with the D400.

I don't believe a word from anyone who says that Canon is waiting for Nikon to see what they do with the D400.


Canon's announcement dates are likely driven by their sales plans/schedules.

For this holiday shopping season, they will have the brand new 70D on sale - plus
a (slightly?) discounted 6D and a (heavily?) discounted 7D.

They are not announcing a 7DII this year simply because they don't seem to need it.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« on: July 09, 2013, 03:14:23 PM »
But I wouldn't be surprised if the 7D2 will have a 16-18 MP sensor. To be honest, I would even prefer a 16 MP 7D2 over a higher res one if this means better high ISO IQ, not to mention speed. After all, the 1Dx and the Nikon D4 are 18 and 16 MP, respectively, and none of their owners complain about this despite being both FF cameras, since both are geared for speed and highest IQ and those are the reasons for purchasing them, apart from build quality.

My thoughts exactly!

The 7D series is positioned as a sports body. So no 24mp sensor on the 7DII, that's for sure.

Lowering the resolution to 16mp might be too bold and controversial, so Canon might stick to 18mp after all.

Overall, though, Canon will most likely work to make the 7DII ISO better - and that, of course, rules out resolution increases.
For more resolution (plus good ISO), Canon offers FF cameras.

Wise words as usual David. Hope you have a nice summer as we have.


The big unknown at this time is whether Canon will use the same sensor in the 7DII or not.

If the 7DII has the same sensor as the 70D, Canon will have a hard time, IMO, convincing people to spend more on the 7DII.
The 70D specs are quite good already, so why bother?

It would be a completely different story, though, if the 7DII has better image quality than the 70D.

So, it makes more sense for Canon to put a better sensor in the 7DII - but who knows what they will actually do.

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