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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon's Roadmap for 2013 [CR2]
« on: January 27, 2013, 08:29:54 PM »
Surely they wouldn't price it above the 6D?

Of course they would ...

Of course they wouldn't.

The 7DII will be cheaper than the 6D. That's for sure.

There's a reason the 6D is named '6D': to signify that it is positioned above the 7D.
The marketing message here is that a FF camera is a always a step up from a crop camera, regardless of specs.

This message is needed to assert the premium-ness of FF; without it, it's hard to charge a (hefty) premium for FF.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Where are you EOS 70D?
« on: January 23, 2013, 10:12:21 PM »
... as Canon separates the 7D Mark II with a new, higher performing APS-C sensor. This makes a lot of sense as I think the APS-C segment needs a jolt and not more of the same.

+1000

Canon, are you listening?

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EOS Bodies / Re: DSLR & Lens Coming on January 15, 2013? [CR1]
« on: January 14, 2013, 10:42:22 PM »
Why would it be a 70D when the 7D is older?

It's hard to tell if it's going to be the 70D or the 7DII. Either one is possible. 

The 60D is the 'weakest link' in Canon's lineup right now.
They need a strong seller at the $1K price point.
So, a new 70D priced at $900-1200 (USD) is a very good candidate for announcement - to boost sales.

The thing is, the 7D is selling for $1200 right now.
So, it's also possible that the 7DII might get announced first for $1600-1800, while the 7D remains on sale for $1200.
In this case the 60D will get discountinued until a replacement comes in the fall.

Nothing is certain, as we don't know what Canon's strategy is for their 1.6x lineup.

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EOS Bodies / Re: DSLR & Lens Coming on January 15, 2013? [CR1]
« on: January 14, 2013, 08:09:58 PM »
Nothing yet? 

No leaks = no announcement.

The next announcement opportunity is the CP+ show in Japan, Jan/31-Feb/3.
If there's a DSLR announcement coming, it will likely come on Jan 28-31.

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EOS Bodies / Re: DSLR & Lens Coming on January 15, 2013? [CR1]
« on: January 12, 2013, 06:08:21 PM »
Slow week at CR?  Yet another CR1's to pass the time?  ;)

+1000

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EOS Bodies / Re: DSLR & Lens Coming on January 15, 2013? [CR1]
« on: January 12, 2013, 06:02:03 PM »
First it was January 8th and now it's January 15th.

Hmm, I can be a 'source'  too then.

Just predict every week that there will be an announcement next week.
By the end of the year, I'll be correct at least once.

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Reviews / Re: Any thoughts yet on the Canon 24-70 f/4 IS
« on: January 12, 2013, 01:30:12 AM »
Notice, however, that with all 3 copies of the 24-70, it is weakest at 50mm?

Very interesting indeed.

Sample 2 seems slightly better than samples 1 and 3 - but all three are worse than the 24-105L.
So, not a copy variation issue; likely a design characteristics of the lens.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Are you really serious about 6D?
« on: January 12, 2013, 01:16:26 AM »
I got 3.. LOL

You ARE serious about the 6D  8).

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Cannot Keep Screwing It's Customers Over
« on: January 06, 2013, 07:38:13 PM »
... is this part of a new trend or just a one time error on Canon's part?

Here's what we have seen since the beginning of 2012:
  • The new 24-70/2.8 II and the new IS primes (24mm, 28mm, 35mm) are ~2x more expensive than the products they are replacing (current prices).
  • The 1DX and the 5DIII are ~30% more expensive than the 1DIV and 5DII respectively (intro prices).
  • The new 24-70/4L is ~30% more expensive than the 24-105/4L.
  • The new Rebel (650D) was announced at $850, which is 8% more than the 600D intro price of $800.
  • Considering its specs, the new 6D could also be considered overpriced (although under-spec'd might be a more accurate description).

Overall, we are seeing price hikes on all new Canon products.
So, definitely not a one time error. More like a new pricing policy.

Let's see how long this policy will last, though.
Those deep Christmas discounts are telling me that the market doesn't agree with Canon on the new pricing.
And, of course, the market has the last word.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Thinking of downgrading my 5d3 system
« on: January 06, 2013, 01:49:05 AM »
I have been considering selling my setup

Replace your lenses first and then decide whether to keep or replace the 5DIII.

Getting the new 24-70/4L is a very good idea but you might want to reconsider getting the 70-300L.
Why don't you get a prime to complement the 24-70/4L? Like the 100/2 or maybe the 135/2.
This will considerably reduce the size/weight of your kit.

Or maybe get the 70-200/4L IS instead of the 70-300L.

Going from the 5DIII to the 6D is not such a big saving in terms of size/weight, so I wouldn't do it if I were you.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Cannot Keep Screwing It's Customers Over
« on: January 04, 2013, 07:42:56 PM »
overpriced = priced higher than perceived value

Value is certainly subjective.
However, if the next iPhone is priced at $1000, it will be considered as overpriced by most people.
Same for Canon products.

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Here is the 6D Review. This one is loaded with samples to so you can see for yourself how it does.
http://www.learningcameras.com/reviews/4-dslrs/91-canon-6d-review
Kudos to the reviewers for being honest.
Here is an excerpt from their conclusion, which I completely agree with:

  • ... it was as if Canon was intentionally disabling features and including others to make this camera not step on the toes of any other camera available. As a result, it almost felt like this concoction of features from a variety of other cameras rather than a camera built with a specific user and a specific purpose.

Overall, the 6D is more of a don't-switch-to-Nikon camera or a buy-the-5DIII camera than a camera that holds on its own.

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so in the end the 6D seems to be a 1 AF point camera.... nothing i would buy in 2013 for 2000 euro.   :-X

My thoughts exactly.

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It is possible that Canon is cutting fewer corners than Nikon.

No.

Canon is just overpricing. That's all.

As other posters said, Canon also had issues that they did nor admit.
For example, it took them more than a year to admit the 1D3 focusing issue and provide a fix (which did not work for all, btw).
And the fix for the 'falling 5D mirror' issue was provided after the 5DII was already announced.

To their credit, Canon admitted the 5DII 'black dots' issue right away.
They did the same with the 5DIII 'light leak' issue as well.

The D600 oil/dust issue goes away after a certain number of shots (as shown by LensRentals).
Still, Nikon customers are in their full right to ask Nikon to admit and address the issue.

Overall, both companies have a history of unforeseen issues; no corner cutting.

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I call the 6D the "warmed up 5D2". Slightly microwaved in a BPA-free container ;) Its not a knock on the Camera, when they sell it for $1299 in a year during Christmas, I promise to pick one up :P

+1000

Canon spec'd the 6D as a $1500 camera but wants to sell it for $2099.
Well, not to me  8).

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