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EOS Bodies / Re: Enough Full Frame Talk: Where are the 7D II Rumors?
« on: September 18, 2012, 12:40:35 PM »
Drop the MP's to about 16, Dramatically improve the noise, IQ and DR and upgrade the AF.
To me it's a no brainer!


Unfortunately, Canon will likely keep the same sensor and AF - and will instead 'improve' the 7D with wireless, GPS, and built-in speakers.  :'(

... if the 7D gets an upgrade in the first place.
Looking at the 6D, Canon might be planning to have all their cameras reduced to Rebels - except for the 5DIII and 1DX.
You have to admit that this is a possibility.

EOS Bodies / Re: Who really is the target demographic for the 6D?
« on: September 17, 2012, 07:36:04 PM »
But what do you folks think?  Who is this really aimed at?

If you think about it, this camera is really for those who were buying the 5DII as a point-and-shoot camera.

These buyers don't need a better AF system, since they are using a slow kit lens anyway (the 24-105 F4/L).
Everything else in the camera has been simplified too, thus making it easy to use for amateurs.

So, although marketed as an 'enthusiast' camera, the 6D is really an expensive amateur camera, appealing mostly to well-heeled amateurs. 

Enthusiasts are of course rightfully disappointed because of the basic specs.

Canon obviously thinks that well-heeled amateurs outnumber enthusiasts.
If they are right, then the 6D will be successful, regardless that it's priced the same as the better spec'd D600.

Only time will tell if Canon is right.

I think, though, that Canon is misjudging the 6D market the same way they've misjudged the 60D market.
The 6D will have a tepid reception and sales will pickup only after the price drops to say $1600-1700.
At this price all that would matter is that it's a FF shooter with a native EF lens mount.
The shortcomings of the camera would be easily forgiven. 

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Announcement Soon? [CR1]
« on: September 08, 2012, 02:18:04 AM »
Except that Canon has never used an even number for their single digit series.
So, 7D-S is not believable but 6D is ???.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Announcement Soon? [CR1]
« on: September 07, 2012, 09:45:35 PM »
Seriously, does anyone believe in 6D?

Well, yes and no.

The 5DII will go out of production eventually (it's now 4 years old).
When that happens, what is Canon going to do?

Keep offering the 5DIII at $3500 as the only 'affordable' FF option ??? .
Drop the 5DIII price to $2000 - same as the 5DII now?

Both are quite unlikely to happen in the next two years.

So, Canon will have to offer a new $2K FF camera after the 5DII gets discontinued.
They will have no choice, after Nikon announces the D600 next week (for $1800 - my prediction).

The thing is, this entry level FF camera will not be called the 6D and will not be announced this year.
So, this current rumor is of very low quality - even though the specs sound about right.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D in October? [CR1]
« on: August 10, 2012, 07:08:00 PM »
Sorry to break it to you, guys, but the 6D rumor is just wishful thinking  :P.

Canon has both the high and low ends covered with new models: new 1DX, new 5DIII, new Rebel, new EOS-M system.
Together with a discounted 5DII, a discounted 7D, and a discounted 60D, they are all set for the holiday shopping season this year.

The 70D will be the next camera from Canon - likely in Jan/Feb next year.

An entry level FF camera from Canon is at least a year away.
That is, if Canon is even planning such a camera in the first place.

Look at what Nikon has done in preparation for the D600 launch:
They've launched multiple cheap FF primes and a cheap FF normal zoom.

And in Canon-land, it's been one expensive L lens after another ... for the past 9 years.
Except for the 40mm pancake, of course. 

So, based on the recent lens releases, guess which company is planning an entry level FF camera ... and which one is not 8).

EOS Bodies / Re: could the new EF-M mount support FF sensors too?
« on: July 23, 2012, 10:20:41 AM »
you mean there is not enough room for a FF sensor?

Yes. Take a look - a FF sensor will covered/obscured by the pin base:

EOS Bodies / Re: could the new EF-M mount support FF sensors too?
« on: July 23, 2012, 09:58:24 AM »
If you look at the position of the contact pins, the new M lens mount will not be able to support a FF sensor.

And if you consider that this is a brand new mount - and Canon did not make it FF compatible - it is very safe to say that Canon is not planning to put a FF sensor in the M series ... ever.

The M-series is obviously meant as a bridge camera between compacts and DSLRs.
If Canon ever makes a compact FF camera, it will surely user the EF mount.

EOS Bodies / Re: Buying 5D Mark III from Amazon???
« on: July 07, 2012, 12:08:14 AM »
I just saw that Amazon has the 5D III selling for $3399 which is about $100 less than most reputable dealers.

Amazon is a reputable dealer.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Successors [CR1]
« on: July 02, 2012, 01:57:04 AM »
APS-H is D.E.A.D.

You forget one very important aspect of the whole picture: The marketing perspective

The marketing perspective is that  APS-H cannot command the same price as FF.
For example, which of these two cameras would you rather buy:
  • 5DIII: $3500
  • 5DIII-SP (SP=sports), with 16mp 1.3x sensor and 8fps: again, $3500

So, would you pay $3500 for the 5DIII-SP?

If you feel that the 1.3x version should cost less, you know the answer why Canon will never make it  8).

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 5D Mark III - Price Drop Details
« on: July 02, 2012, 01:47:44 AM »
The actual cost for Canon to build this camera is $2400. 

This is very, very hard to believe.

By Christmas 2013, Canon will be selling the 5DIII for $2499.

Obviously, the 5DIII cannot sell for $2499 if its costs $2400 to build.
And yet, it will sell for that much. Mark my words.

EOS Bodies / Re: What is the Basis of your opinion of APS-H?
« on: June 29, 2012, 09:57:05 PM »
Why would it even be worth it from Canon's standpoint to develope a whole new line of bodies with a sensor that is neither fish nor fowl to fit in such a small $$$ window.


What the APS-H cheerleaders don't seem to grasp is that the APS-H format makes no sense anymore ... for Canon.

Obviously, the APS-H format has it its (small, vocal) fanbase.
From a business perspective, though, it makes zero business sense for Canon to continue the format.

Back in the days, Canon could charge $4K-$5K for the 1D-1DIV.
Not anymore - because Canon doesn't want to charge just $5K when they can charge $6-7K.
And of course they surely couldn't charge that much if the 1DX had a crop sensor.

By now there are hardly any savings from manufacturing APS-H sensors vs FF sensors.
At the same time, APS-H has the distinctive marketing disadvantage of being smaller than FF.
This intrinsic disadvantage can never be overcome – and hence APS-H cameras can never command the same prmium as similarly spec'd FF cameras.
This is the real flaw of APS-H, not its performance, lack of ultra-wides, etc..

So, those waiting for the return of the format in a cheaper body will be waiting forever.
Give it up  8).

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Successors [CR1]
« on: June 28, 2012, 06:57:52 PM »
I don’t think Canon needs more APS-C cameras beyond the Rebel, a 70D and possibly a mirrorless entry.


People would go and spend $100-$150 on a nice meal without thinking much but when Canon ...

Yes, people pay $100-$150 for a nice meal  - if this has value/utility for them.
Otherwise, they would feel mugged.

The 5DIII is a great value compared to the 1-series.
So, pros don’t seem to mind the high price.
For enthusiasts, though, the 5DIII’s value proposition is not all that good.

At the end, enthusiasts will chose the better value.
So, my free advice to Canon is to pay more attention to what's going on  8).

APS-C does not give the same IQ as APS-H
APS-H has more reach than ff

... but by that logic, APS-H does not give the same IQ as FF, no?

APS-H is the compromise solution that has no major weakness


Even the kids know that bigger is better  8).
So, from a marketing perspective, APS-H has one really major flaw: it's smaller than FF.
And if your camera has a smaller thingy than the competition, you can't charge same/more than the competition.
It's that simple. 

Nikon switched from DX to FX in their pro Dx line because Canon was winning with a bigger thingy in their cameras.
And Canon in turn switched from APS-H to FF in the 1-series because now Nikon had a bigger thingy.

So, despite all the cheerleading, APS-H is out forever. Get over it :P.

We will see an APS-C 7DII and it will be spectacular.

You realize that no crop camera stands a chance against the upcoming D600 in terms of image quality, right.

So, let's say Canon indeed makes an APS-C 7DII and prices it at $1699 (like the 7D).
The review sites will inevitably compare it to the similarly priced D600, with its 24mp latest generation Sony FF sensor (which will likely make the 5DIII sensor look bad).
How do you think these comparisons will turn out ???.

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