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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« on: June 27, 2013, 05:36:07 PM »
My only question here is not about the 70D itself, but about the (possible) 7Dii.
Not much room left between the 70D and the 6D/5Diii for the 7Dii ... unless the 7Dii would be something like a cropped 5Diii (around the same price as well though)

Excellent points!

The only way I can see a 7DII in Canon's future is if it is targeted more at pros than consumers.
This means a sensor optimized for high ISO (rather than more megapixels), really fast fame rate (10 fps?), better AF system (more than 19 AF points), etc..

Such a camera will surely be expensive, as it won't be targeted as consumers anymore.
A $2000 price tag won't surprise me one bit.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« on: June 27, 2013, 03:31:40 PM »
Is it just me or does that look like 7D to me?

No, it's not just you  8).

Except for the articulating LCD, this is basically the 7D ... with a new sensor.


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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« on: June 27, 2013, 03:29:47 PM »

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I disagree, because there is no other full frame camera which exceeds the 6D's overall performance and quality, for the money. 

Well, the D600 exceeds it, of course  8).

FYI, not everyone is smitten like you by the 1-point AF system (effectively) on the 6D.
And not everyone is OK with a 1-point AF system (effectively) and consumer ergonomics on a $2K camera.
I know what good value is for me - and the 6D is not.

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most complains are from people who have never touched it or pretend they have used it... but never have.
all 6D owners i know are very happy with it.

Those who bought the 6D were obviously OK with the modest 6D specs before their purchase.
Otherwise, they wouldn't think that the 6D was worth buying.

As for those complaining about the 6D:
I bet that most complaints are from people who are actually itching to spend $2000 on a FF camera - but are not happy with what the 6D is offering for the money.

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For me, it's two things:

AF points
As another posted said, even 11 all cross-type points would have been OK.
Right now, the 6D AF system is a 1-point AF system, as far as I'm concerned.
Not OK on a $2000 camera but still not a deal breaker, as the 6D can be found for $1600. So, still OK.

Button layout on the back of the camera
That's actually the big one for me and the deal breaker.
If it wasn't for the button layout, the 6D is essentially a newer, more compact version of the 5DII - with better image quality and a lower price tag. What's there not to like about it.
But the stupid button layout at the back - together with the stupid limitations like the lower x-sync and max-shutter speeds - ruin it for me.
I'll just never purchase a camera with this button layout.
If I have to endure horrible ergonomics, I might as well buy a Nikon   :P 8).

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EOS Bodies / Re: From NL: Big Product launch invitations
« on: June 26, 2013, 05:44:40 PM »
From NL ...

Heh, 6-8 weeks from now is the second half of August.
This is Canon's traditional announcement time.

This year the candidates are the 60D and/or 7D successor(s) plus the high-MP FF model.
We'll see what Canon will announce at the end.
 

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« on: June 20, 2013, 04:08:57 PM »
You don't work for Canon, you are voicing your own opinion and stating it as fact. 
You are doing the exact same thing.

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Your opinion does not disprove my opinion.  Clear?
Well, it does  8).

Downmarket products are typically not meant to "protect" sales upmarket products ... unless they are obviously designed to do so.

You see, there's absolutely no need for the right-hand-only button placement on the back of the 6D.

Before articulating LCDs, even the Rebels had buttons on the left side.
So, having buttons only on the right side is not some novel ergonomics idea.

Canon did it so that the 6D has a consumer feel to it and is different from the pro-oriented 5DIII.
This is so-o-o obvious that mine opinion really disproves yours in this case - based on the obviousness criteria.
And btw, you should be worried that such an obvious thing escapes you.



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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« on: June 20, 2013, 03:32:17 PM »
When did I say that?  Don't put words in my mouth. 

Here's what you said:
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As for complaining that Canon "hobbled the 6D"...if they did, it was not for fear of impacting sales of the 5D3. It was to ensure that the Nikon D600 could never be offered at a lower street price than the 6D ...

To summarize this quote:
Canon did not "hobble" the 6D to protect 5DIII sales.
What they did was ensure that the 6D is cheaper than the D600.

That's what you said, no?

To that I replied that 'features' like the lower x-sync and max-stutter speed, as well as the 6D consumer ergonomics (all back buttons are on the right side, as on consumer cameras like the Rebels) have nothing to do with lowering cost.

In case it's not clear to you, Canon did these particular 'features' in order protect 5DIII sales.
As I said, these have nothing to do with reducing costs.
These are conscious decisions on Canon's part to (artificially) differentiate the 6D from the 5DIII.
Sorry if that's not clear to you.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« on: June 20, 2013, 02:51:28 AM »
As for complaining that Canon "hobbled the 6D"...if they did, it was not for fear of impacting sales of the 5D3. It was to ensure that the Nikon D600 could never be offered at a lower street price than the 6D ...
Hmm. Just consider the lower x-sync and max-shutter speeds on the 6D vs the 5DIII.
These do not lower cost in any way, as they are implemented in firmware.
 
Also consider the right-hand-only button placement on the back of the 6D.
Look for yourself [here]. The back of the camera is a self-contained, independent module.
Any technical person will tell you that the cost of this module will not be any different if it had
buttons on the left-hand side as well - like on the 50D, 7D, 5DIII, or the 1DX, for example.

Canon did not implement these particular 'features' to ensure that the 6D is cheaper than the D600.
You can be sure about that.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Is This the EOS 3D?
« on: June 17, 2013, 03:30:20 PM »
...but if they were trying to keep it secret then why would they make a strap for it instead of just a standard canon one?

Another question to ask: why did they blur the camera but not the strap??

I think the answer is that they were intentionally leaking the camera.
The Sony A99 was leaked this way - by first leaking a photo of its strap.

I vote that the 2D/3D is real and that this is an intentional leak 8).
We are likely (very?) close to announcement.

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Canon General / Re: EOS 5D Mark III w/24-70 f/4L IS Kit Coming Soon
« on: June 05, 2013, 09:59:44 PM »
But, most of all, who the hell and why bought the 24-70/4, seeing the 24-105 is still out!?!?

If I have to choose between the 24-70 and 24-105, I'd go for the former ... but only after its price drops below $1K.
To me, the current premium for the 24-70 is totally unjustified.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Digitalrev speculates on D7100 vs. 7D2
« on: May 29, 2013, 01:56:54 AM »
I'll put my 25cents on the line that 7D II will not out perform 5D III in high ISO/low light.

OK, outperforming might be a stretch. But being quite close is not unrealistic ... at all.

If you compare Nikon's D7100 with the 5DII (not III) on DxO, you will see that they are very close in every measurement.
The 7DII needs to be only slightly better than the D7100 and it will be in 5DII territory wrt image quality - which in turn is quite close to the 5DIII.

And honestly, if the 7DII is not at least slightly better than the D7100 in image quality, Canon shouldn't bother with an update, thank you very much 8).

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EOS Bodies / Re: Digitalrev speculates on D7100 vs. 7D2
« on: May 29, 2013, 12:14:50 AM »
Keep in mind 7D was designed for speed, not so much high ISO. I can see 7D II might have 61pts AF like 5D III and an increase in frame rate(maybe 10-fps). BUT NOT IN HIGH ISO or LOW LIGHT like 5D III, regardless what the new sensor might be.

Just the opposite, IMO.
It's much more likely that we'll see a big step up in image quality than a big step in features.
See my previous post.

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Canon will not put 7D II in near 5D III  in term of high ISO/LOW LIGHT. 5D III is only 1yr old plus, it still have another 3-4yrs more before we seeing any rumors 5D 4.

I disagree.

The 5DIII needs to differentiate itself much better from both the 6D and the 7DII.
And the only way it can do that is by getting a high-quality ~30MP sensor.

So, I'm actually expecting that the 5DIII will get a replacement sooner than many expect.
Maybe as early as the spring of 2015.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Digitalrev speculates on D7100 vs. 7D2
« on: May 29, 2013, 12:07:03 AM »
What does this mean for the 5D3? Nothing! People who want FF are not going to trade in a 5D3 for a crop camera ....

Exactly.

Also, despite some of the rumors here, I don't think the 7DII will get the 61-point AF system of the 5D3/1DX.
So, the AF system will be another differentiation from the 5DIII.

Btw, for the 7DII AF system I'm expecting either a beefed-up version of the current 19-point AF (e.g. with better sensitivity to low light) or a maybe new AF system, which would still be a step below Canon's pro AF system.

But we are definitely not getting Canon's pro AF system in a $2K camera. That's for sure.
You know Canon  8).

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