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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« on: June 28, 2013, 02:34:13 PM »
What I find interesting is that the ISO range is the same as the T5i.... there really isn't much of a difference in size of pixels between  18 and 20 Mpixels.... I would have expected that if they had gone to a newer process that the ISO range would have exceeded the T5i, so my bet is the same technology as before for the sensor with further improvements to "live view" like we have seen on the last few lower-end releases.


I'm still expecting some improvement, though.
A 5DII-->6D type of improvement, where high ISOs (3200 and above) should be progressively cleaner compared to the 60D, for example.
We'll see.

Canon also said that it was to be the 7D2 that was the "game changer". That's when I would expect to see any signifianly better technology emerge.


It's only natural that new tech is introduced on higher-end bodies first.
Considering that Canon did a full refresh of their FF lineup last year, the 7DII is the best candidate right now for the new tech introduction.

PowerShot / Re: Canon France Denies Large Sensor Compacts
« on: June 28, 2013, 12:03:43 PM »
One more thing…

Heh. I bet it's Canon USA and their lawyers.
Not happy that CanonRumors basically pre-announced the 70D.
CanonRumors is doing free PR for Canon, basically, but I guess pre-announcements are not cool - although it makes us, readers, happy.
Great job on the flyer yesterday! Congrats.

Did I put you down? 

You called me and Neuro ignorant about the 6D AF system.
And you said that luciolepri is regurgitating stuff heard elsewhere.

So, yes, you are putting people down.

But let me tell you something:
Canon has publicly stated in interviews and in articles how they had to cut corners in order to achieve the 6D 'low' price.
In other words, they made a lot of compromises - and they publicly admitted making them.

Your precious 6D is far from perfect; in fact it's quite compromised. Canon admitted it themselves.

So, be angry at Canon for making those compromises.
Not at the people that are simply disapproving of (some of) them - and shared their disappointments in this thread.

Is it just me, or is there honestly an inherent need to disrespect anyone who owns and enjoys a Canon 6D?

It's the other way round, actually.
You are obviously not noticing how you are meticulously going after everyone who doesn't like the 6D - in order to convince them that they are wrong and don't know what they are talking about.


In what way is the D600 better?  I say it is not.
As neuro said, feel free to believe in anything you want.

I've tried the 6D and 5DIII side by side.
Surprisingly, the 6D felt more comfortable in my hand.
The 1-point AF system was also responsive and snappy (I did not bother with the outer AF points whatsoever - what's the point).

So yes, I have tried the 6D.
I know that the 5DIII is an overkill for me, so I wish the 6D did not have the hideous button placement at the back.
Like I said in a previous post, this is the deal breaker for me.
Others might be fine with it; I'm not.

Btw, the 70D specs were just leaked.
It will have the same AF system as the 7D - 19-points, all cross-type.
Compare this to the AF system on the 6D, a higher-end body (supposedly),
It's a shame (disgrace?), really.

Enjoy your 6D. I'm glad it's working out for you. Amen.

So....while the value may not be there for you, it certainly is for me!

Heh. The irony is that Canon went an extra mile to inconvenience pros with some of the 6D 'features'.
And yet, due to its 'low' price, the 6D still an incredible value for pros - despite all inconveniences.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« on: June 27, 2013, 05:36:07 PM »
My only question here is not about the 70D itself, but about the (possible) 7Dii.
Not much room left between the 70D and the 6D/5Diii for the 7Dii ... unless the 7Dii would be something like a cropped 5Diii (around the same price as well though)

Excellent points!

The only way I can see a 7DII in Canon's future is if it is targeted more at pros than consumers.
This means a sensor optimized for high ISO (rather than more megapixels), really fast fame rate (10 fps?), better AF system (more than 19 AF points), etc..

Such a camera will surely be expensive, as it won't be targeted as consumers anymore.
A $2000 price tag won't surprise me one bit.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« on: June 27, 2013, 03:31:40 PM »
Is it just me or does that look like 7D to me?

No, it's not just you  8).

Except for the articulating LCD, this is basically the 7D ... with a new sensor.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« on: June 27, 2013, 03:29:47 PM »

I disagree, because there is no other full frame camera which exceeds the 6D's overall performance and quality, for the money. 

Well, the D600 exceeds it, of course  8).

FYI, not everyone is smitten like you by the 1-point AF system (effectively) on the 6D.
And not everyone is OK with a 1-point AF system (effectively) and consumer ergonomics on a $2K camera.
I know what good value is for me - and the 6D is not.


most complains are from people who have never touched it or pretend they have used it... but never have.
all 6D owners i know are very happy with it.

Those who bought the 6D were obviously OK with the modest 6D specs before their purchase.
Otherwise, they wouldn't think that the 6D was worth buying.

As for those complaining about the 6D:
I bet that most complaints are from people who are actually itching to spend $2000 on a FF camera - but are not happy with what the 6D is offering for the money.

For me, it's two things:

AF points
As another posted said, even 11 all cross-type points would have been OK.
Right now, the 6D AF system is a 1-point AF system, as far as I'm concerned.
Not OK on a $2000 camera but still not a deal breaker, as the 6D can be found for $1600. So, still OK.

Button layout on the back of the camera
That's actually the big one for me and the deal breaker.
If it wasn't for the button layout, the 6D is essentially a newer, more compact version of the 5DII - with better image quality and a lower price tag. What's there not to like about it.
But the stupid button layout at the back - together with the stupid limitations like the lower x-sync and max-shutter speeds - ruin it for me.
I'll just never purchase a camera with this button layout.
If I have to endure horrible ergonomics, I might as well buy a Nikon   :P 8).

EOS Bodies / Re: From NL: Big Product launch invitations
« on: June 26, 2013, 05:44:40 PM »
From NL ...

Heh, 6-8 weeks from now is the second half of August.
This is Canon's traditional announcement time.

This year the candidates are the 60D and/or 7D successor(s) plus the high-MP FF model.
We'll see what Canon will announce at the end.

EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« on: June 20, 2013, 04:08:57 PM »
You don't work for Canon, you are voicing your own opinion and stating it as fact. 
You are doing the exact same thing.

Your opinion does not disprove my opinion.  Clear?
Well, it does  8).

Downmarket products are typically not meant to "protect" sales upmarket products ... unless they are obviously designed to do so.

You see, there's absolutely no need for the right-hand-only button placement on the back of the 6D.

Before articulating LCDs, even the Rebels had buttons on the left side.
So, having buttons only on the right side is not some novel ergonomics idea.

Canon did it so that the 6D has a consumer feel to it and is different from the pro-oriented 5DIII.
This is so-o-o obvious that mine opinion really disproves yours in this case - based on the obviousness criteria.
And btw, you should be worried that such an obvious thing escapes you.

EOS Bodies / Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« on: June 20, 2013, 03:32:17 PM »
When did I say that?  Don't put words in my mouth. 

Here's what you said:
As for complaining that Canon "hobbled the 6D"...if they did, it was not for fear of impacting sales of the 5D3. It was to ensure that the Nikon D600 could never be offered at a lower street price than the 6D ...

To summarize this quote:
Canon did not "hobble" the 6D to protect 5DIII sales.
What they did was ensure that the 6D is cheaper than the D600.

That's what you said, no?

To that I replied that 'features' like the lower x-sync and max-stutter speed, as well as the 6D consumer ergonomics (all back buttons are on the right side, as on consumer cameras like the Rebels) have nothing to do with lowering cost.

In case it's not clear to you, Canon did these particular 'features' in order protect 5DIII sales.
As I said, these have nothing to do with reducing costs.
These are conscious decisions on Canon's part to (artificially) differentiate the 6D from the 5DIII.
Sorry if that's not clear to you.

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